Michael Jackson...role model?

[Elvistelth]

You have no proof that he did that.

AND you have no proof he DIDN'T.

 

[sbell111]

AND you have no proof he DIDN'T.

I have no proof that you didn't fly to the moon, but unless it's proven to me I'm not going to believe that it happened.

 

[Elvistelth]

And the circumstantial evidence is so strong and Michael Jackson was so weird that I will believe the assertion that he tipped off the National Enquirer himself. Anyone who views this man as a "hero" is as insane as he was. He gave wine to children and called it "Jesus juice", had sleepovers with kids and defended his practice of sharing his bed, and then, to top it off, he dangled his new-born (the unfortunate "Blanket") off the balcony of a multi-story hotel. In the old days he would have been institutionalized and rightfully so.
It's sad he was allowed to bring children into his madness. Michael Jackson was no hero.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Like I said, call me crazy and take me away, because he was a hero. A tortured hero, but a hero.

Like I said before, many of parents have let their children "sleep in their bed." Illegal to console someone, or make them feel loved?

No.
He made some bad decisions, and I will admit that showing Blanket to his fans was not very wise, but sometimes he lets his heart do the thinking.
Let's all frown on that... NOT.

 

[Elvistelth]

Like I said before, many of parents have let their children "sleep in their bed." Illegal to console someone, or make them feel loved?

He let OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN sleep in his bed. That's what's wrong. And I believe the way he showed those boys "love" was by molesting them.
He mutilated his own face, lived beyond his means to the point of bankrupcy in spite of the millions he had and pretended he was a child. Hero? More like psycho. Calling him a hero degrades the term hero.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Yes, he LET OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, sleep in his bed, because those OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, had parents who let them. They knew full well what was going on and they thought of Michael as a part of their family.

You don't know the circumstances, was it forced, was it voluntary? YOU DON'T KNOW.

You talking like you know him personally, and last time I check you don't.

So stop talking out of where the sun don't shine. WE GET YOUR POINT. Though I don't think you are so sure seeing as you have to convince yourself every SINGLE post.

FYI the caps aren't appreciated.

 

[Rebelmom67]

Like I said, call me crazy and take me away, because he was a hero. A tortured hero, but a hero.

I'm sorry, that is the funniest thing I have read all week, carry on.

 

[VMK_MagicalLadee]

I love your signature. I think it shows respect for one of your favourite artists. If I wasn't in my Adam Lambert obession phase, I'd have an MJ siggy too

While I'm here. I wouldn't say MJ was a role model only because I wouldn't want children to be as depressed and tortured as he was. Maybe success-wise.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

I love your siggy, too!

 

[teacups]

I love your sig too. Its awesome!

 

[momrek06]

ME TOO, disneyworldluvr349!

RIP, Michael.

 

[rie'smom]

Why would I want someone who was a tortured hero to be a role model for my kids?
I want someone who is well adjusted and happy as their role model.

If others want him as a role model for their kids, good.

 

[declansdad]

Yes, he LET OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, sleep in his bed, because those OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, had parents who let them. They knew full well what was going on and they thought of Michael as a part of their family.

You don't know the circumstances, was it forced, was it voluntary? YOU DON'T KNOW.

You talking like you know him personally, and last time I check you don't.

So stop talking out of where the sun don't shine. WE GET YOUR POINT. Though I don't think you are so sure seeing as you have to convince yourself every SINGLE post.

FYI the caps aren't appreciated.

Unless you knew him personally, the same comments could be made to you.

 

[shortbun]

My son just left the house, did a little Thriller spin and waved his gloved hand at me through the car window. lol! I've explained the possible/probable mental illness to him. He says he's only impressed by 'the genius.'

 

[teacups]

My son just left the house, did a little Thriller spin and waved his gloved hand at me through the car window. lol! I've explained the possible/probable mental illness to him. He says he's only impressed by 'the genius.'

Was he attending a MJ event of some kind? I'm just nosey!

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I love your signature. I think it shows respect for one of your favourite artists. If I wasn't in my Adam Lambert obession phase, I'd have an MJ siggy too

While I'm here. I wouldn't say MJ was a role model only because I wouldn't want children to be as depressed and tortured as he was. Maybe success-wise.

I love your siggy, too!

I love your sig too. Its awesome!

Thank you guys so much That made me feel a lot better.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

ME TOO, disneyworldluvr349!

RIP, Michael.

Thank you.

And with that I am going to leave this thread, because I can get carried away. I wouldn't want to get hurt any more, or hurt anyone either.

 

[teacups]

Thank you.

And with that I am going to leave this thread, because I can get carried away. I wouldn't want to get hurt any more, or hurt anyone either.

Me too.

 

[darlak]

MJ was about my age and I remember his debut as a child with the Jackson 5. I've watched his life unfold to the same extent any of us who didn't know him personally could have. Looking back on that life, I have to say a resounding NO! to the question of whether I would want my children to look at him as a role model. I sincerely hope all of my children will, in whatever path they choose, be happy, mentally healthy, be drug free, be kind to others, hurt no one and find contentment in their personal choices. I have to question how many of those applied to Michael Jackson.

I hope he's found peace now.

 

[redrosesix]

Thanks for the skyscraper knowledge. I had no idea they did that.

So relating your career to the issue, the children have a price tag on them?
(We are comparing the value of a child’s life to a building. Okay, here it goes)

You are an economist.
So how much does being molested cost nowadays? Its happened thousands of times and each case shares some similarities I would think. It’s like building a skyscraper. We can factory in certain things. To build a skyscraper will cost around what…$500-$800million. So to molest a child will cost…? (I’ll let you answer that one )

You said .. But the value is not always equivalent to somebody's ability to pay, nor based on it. If the perpetrator is broke, their wages are garnisheed until the settlement is paid in its entirety. Most settlements that are not made by insurance companies are not completely paid.

So were does the justice take place, if the person can’t pay. Or if the person’s payment is not equal to the damages that took place. Or (and worst of all) if an insurance company steps in a pays? Who was really taught a listen here?

Well...Agame2323 has obviously left this thread, but I thought I'd leave the answers to the questions they asked while I was away camping. Re: the cost of children being molested: Benefit-cost analysis looks at the cost to society of making choices. Without giving a dollar amount, in terms of this question (for example, weighing the benefits of a program to prevent child abuse) the economist would have to factor in variables such as increased suicide rates, lower school attendance, lower grade level attained (and therefore less likelihood of attending college and lower total lifetime income), lower marriage and/or higher divorce rates, increased addiction rates and child abuse rates (assuming that that assumption is correct, although I have heard that there are contradictory findings in some studies) -- all of this in addition to costs for psychologists, court costs, etc.

Whether the perpetrator has sufficient funds to compensate somebody for all of the damage they have caused is irrelevant to the cost that has inflicted on a child, their family or society. Certainly it is not fair to the victim if the perpetrator can't pay some or all of that amount. And truthfully, looking at it this way, a rich person is punished more than a person who is less well off (since they would have more money left over after the damages are paid). But it is not about punishing the criminal; as I said, it's about compensating the victim.

Ok, I understand what you are saying. I would not go against the advice of a psychologist to force my child to continue a court case; but my strongest hope would be that the psychologist would help my child continue to the end.

I think the biggest difference between what I am saying and what you and others are saying is that I would think first toward encouraging my child to see the case to the end and see their violator in prison. From what some of you are saying (and I may very well be putting words in your mouth), your first thought is of protecting and shielding your child. That is where my confusion comes from, I cannot imagine not thinking first of not only protecting my child but other children from this person also. (as I stated, I still think of the village too)

You mentioned in the case in the link that was posted that the girl testified and the man ended up living two doors down from her. Do you think it would have turned out better if she hadn't testified. Then he would still be two doors down and the child would feel completely powerless. Power is a wonderful thing and the most important thing that prevents someone from being a victim. Testifying against someone who violated you and seeing that person convicted gives you that power back.

Different jurisdictions have different rules. In some, it is up to the victim and/or their family whether to follow through with a case even if the prosecution believes they have insufficient evidence to convict. In others, it is up to the police, the prosecutor or the grand jury -- the family may have no choice in the matter.

Well then call me nuts and throw me in an insane asylum.
First of all the man had a skin disease. My sister has it, and I know the damage it can cause to the skin.
Second of all he was never accepted by anyone, he was constantly teased about his acne, and he was never shown the love he deserved. He changed his face because he was in a fire, that nearly killed him.
I think you would feel scarred after an incident like that too.
Sorry but how did he make his voice "weird?"
And last time I checked there are many a parent who sleep with their children, I didn't know it was a punishable offense to console your children when they have a nightmare.

This is incorrect -- those burns were to his scalp, and had nothing to do with the several nose surgeries, chin implants etc. that he had done. He spent the last couple of years trying to undo some of the damage he had done. You'll see the highlights in the following link:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

FYI, the fire was in 1984.

I have no problem with people adoring MJ, choosing to believe he was wrongly accused of any crime, but he was who he was -- I don't think it's a great idea to mythologize him, or anyone.

I also have heard that he was a very happy person when he was at home (true, could have been the pain killers that made him so perky) so it might just have been that he hated to be out in public or on camera. I think it would therefore be wrong to assume that he spent his entire life acting the way he did when he appeared in the media.

As for MJ being a role model, I'm sure if everybody thinks hard they can find somebody better. And I would say that he truly wasn't trying to be one (I think the last cause that he publicly supported was World Music). I would contrast this to people such as Angelina Jolie (UNICEF), Princess Diana (leprosy, aids, land mines), Bono Vox (child poverty) and Pavarotti (War Child)