Melissa Etheridge's message on Prop 8

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Read it here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-06/you-can-forget-my-taxes/

or here:
Okay. So Prop 8 passed. Alright, I get it. 51% of you think that I am a second class citizen. Alright then. So my wife, uh I mean, roommate? Girlfriend? Special lady friend? You are gonna have to help me here because I am not sure what to call her now. Anyways, she and I are not allowed the same right under the state constitution as any other citizen. Okay, so I am taking that to mean I do not have to pay my state taxes because I am not a full citizen. I mean that would just be wrong, to make someone pay taxes and not give them the same rights, sounds sort of like that taxation without representation thing from the history books.

Okay, cool I don't mean to get too personal here but there is a lot I can do with the extra half a million dollars that I will be keeping instead of handing it over to the state of California. Oh, and I am sure Ellen will be a little excited to keep her bazillion bucks that she pays in taxes too. Wow, come to think of it, there are quite a few of us fortunate gay folks that will be having some extra cash this year. What recession? We're gay! I am sure there will be a little box on the tax forms now single, married, divorced, gay, check here if you are gay, yeah, that's not so bad. Of course all of the waiters and hairdressers and UPS workers and gym teachers and such, they won't have to pay their taxes either.

Gay people are born everyday. You will never legislate that away.

Oh and too bad California, I know you were looking forward to the revenue from all of those extra marriages. I guess you will have to find some other way to get out of the budget trouble you are in.

…Really?

When did it become okay to legislate morality? I try to envision someone reading that legislation "eliminates the right" and then clicking yes. What goes through their mind? Was it the frightening commercial where the little girl comes home and says, "Hi mom, we learned about gays in class today" and then the mother gets that awful worried look and the scary music plays? Do they not know anyone who is gay? If they do, can they look them in the face and say "I believe you do not deserve the same rights as me"? Do they think that their children will never encounter a gay person? Do they think they will never have to explain the 20% of us who are gay and living and working side by side with all the citizens of California?

I got news for them, someday your child is going to come home and ask you what a gay person is. Gay people are born everyday. You will never legislate that away.

I know when I grew up gay was a bad word. ****, ___, ___, ___. Ignorance and fear ruled the day. There were so many "thems" back then. The blacks, the poor ... you know, "them". Then there was the immigrants. "Them.” Now the them is me.

I tell myself to take a breath, okay take another one, one of the thems made it to the top. Obama has been elected president. This crazy fearful insanity will end soon. This great state and this great country of ours will finally come to the understanding that there is no "them". We are one. We are united. What you do to someone else you do to yourself. That "judge not, lest ye yourself be judged" are truthful words and not Christian rhetoric.

Today the gay citizenry of this state will pick themselves up and dust themselves off and do what we have been doing for years. We will get back into it. We love this state, we love this country and we are not going to leave it. Even though we could be married in Mass. or Conn, Canada, Holland, Spain and a handful of other countries, this is our home. This is where we work and play and raise our families. We will not rest until we have the full rights of any other citizen. It is that simple, no fearful vote will ever stop us, that is not the American way.

Come to think of it, I should get a federal tax break too...

I think she's onto something here . . .
 
Cool, make my check out to OrlandoMike......

We should get double back here in Florida, we cant even adopt kids! :sad2:
 
And Harvey Fierstein weighs in as well . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-fierstein/historic-for-some-same-ol_b_142170.html

While we dance in the streets and pat ourselves on the back for being a nation great enough to reach beyond racial divides to elect our first African-American president let us not forget that we remain a nation still proudly practicing prejudice.

I have heard this day described as one of transcendence where Americans came together to prove that we are, above all, a nation of fairness. World witnesses wrote that we rose above ideology, politics and bigotry to achieve a great moment for America. Meanwhile, on this same Election Day, we great Americans passed laws as heinous as any Jim Crow legislation. We great Americans reached out and willfully put our name to language that denies an entire minority group their equal rights.

Of course I am referring to the states of Florida, Arizona and California passing legislation to specifically deny gay people from entering into the contract of marriage. Actually, that's not true. We can still get married, just not to each other. Yes my friends, Florida and California have now made it legal for gay men and lesbians to marry as long as we don't marry our partners. How much sense does that make?

Now, before you rise up on your high horse to holler, "We're not against Civil Unions, just Gay Marriage", let me once again explain that THE SUPREME COURT HAS STATED THAT SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS NOT EQUAL. And even if it were, civil unions are simply not equal to marriage.

Let me give you a simple example that anyone can follow. John and Jim are registered as domestic partners and so, just like a married couple; Jim is covered by John's employee health care. That's really nice. BUT... since the IRS does not recognize civil unions or domestic partnership Jim has to pay income tax on the value of this coverage. So, unlike a married couple, John and Jim are penalized hundreds of dollars for not being married. That's not fair. That's not in the spirit of the civil union legislation. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the inequality being offered.

Listen, my fellow Americans, I am only asking that we get sensible about this controversy. Gays are not asking for religious blessings. We are not asking for everyone to come to our weddings. We are not asking the government to force churches and synagogues to perform marriage rituals or even to allow us into their tax-exempt edifices. We are simply and forcefully demanding equal protection under the laws of this nation as tax paying, voting, property owning citizens. I want no more or less protection than granted any heterosexual to control and distribute my holdings.

State sanctioned marriage is a civil contract period. A contract is not a judgment of moral value. It is a legal agreement between two parties that testifies to a meeting of minds between those consenting entities. It is not a religious act or rite and so has nothing to do with Adam and Eve or Steve or even Harvey. I often say that if you want to really want to understand the contract of marriage just ask anyone who has been divorced. The marriage contract is one of property rights. Or maybe you can look in the bible to see what Adam had to say about divorce since Eve was his second wife.

So, while we rightfully celebrate the election of our first African American president, let us take a moment to mourn the passage of three new laws legalizing prejudice. Of course there will be those who claim that voters were only protecting the institution of marriage to whom I would suggest it is just as likely that Obama's supporters were only voting against W. Breaking the lock on my door doesn't make your home any more secure.

I especially like that last line: Breaking the lock on my door doesn't make your home any more secure.

Go, Harvey!
 

I had seen Melissa's blog the other day. I almost posted it. Being that she advocated doing something illegal, like not paying state income tax, I decided against it.

I completely understand their outrage.
 
Here's a post from Melissa's wife Tammy's blog that really spoke to me:

http://hollywoodfarmgirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/rose-is-rose-is-rose.html


a rose is a rose is a rose.

when the government declared the illegality of interracial marriages unconstitutional in the late 60s, it was not a unanimous decision. in fact, 80% of the country was against it. thank goodness the country led us into better perspectives, and didn't leave it up to the humanly flawed citizens. but now... we're going to VOTE on equality? "is this person the same value as that person? say ay or nay..."

would rosa have wanted the people to VOTE whether or not she could get on the bus? would martin have waited for a VOTE to see if everyone thought blacks should be equal? i think not.


no matter how many voters there are wrenching away MY RIGHTS into their bigotted hands.... you can't take my family away from me. you can't make us stop loving each other. you simply can't.

try to vote on that.



PRESIDENT OBAMA!!! if you can finally make it to first-class citizenship, then so can i. one day.
 
"No matter how many voters there are wrenching away MY RIGHTS into their bigotted hands.... you can't take my family away from me. You can't make us stop loving each other. You simply can't."

And thats where I think I am in my head right now. Still pretty miffed though!
 
i totally agree with her, plus the thing about banning divorce is good too. thank God I live here in Canada.
 
I read somewhere that 70% of black voters helped prop 8 pass.
I find this interesting that a group of voters who were once considered oppressed are now part of the oppressors.
 
I read somewhere that 70% of black voters helped prop 8 pass.
I find this interesting that a group of voters who were once considered oppressed are now part of the oppressors.

I don't think that even entered the minds of those voters. It is sad, hmm? The same folks who fought so hard to be considered as individuals have taken the lowest road - they became what they fought.

Kinda sad. Reminds me of other things. When this country was founded it was to fight taxation without representation, to fight religious persicution, and to allow people to live in peace side by side. This country has also taken the lowest road - it has become what it fought against.

Very sad.
 
This was the first election in a long time that I really, really cared about the outcome. I only wanted two things: Obama to win and Prop 8 to lose. I was devastated when 8 passed.

I am not highly politicised. I educate myself about the issues and I vote.

That's it.

Well, that changes NOW.

I have promised myself that when this issue comes up again here in California I am going to get up off my backside and do what needs to be done to get it passed. I thought my vote was enough. I thought that this Proposition didn't affect me since I am in a recognized opposite-sex marriage.

I was wrong. Very wrong.

This decision affects every American. The day we stop thinking of people by their race, by their gender, by their orientation, by their occupation, by their religion, and by their income, that's the day America will achieve equality.

I am ashamed to be an American right now. Will Canada take me?
 
For those who live in Florida, there is the Bilerico Project that features articles on many topics. The recent articles are addressing these devastating losses.

One person wrote an impassioned response that included a critique of the attempts to stop Prop 8 from passing. Her points rang true. She stated that the campaign to vote no on Prop 8 was too whitewashed, too bland without real representation of lesbians and gays. She has a pretty valid point. She is pushing for much more visibility.

We are who we are. We are 'what' we are. Nothing will change that. We may be categorized and stuffed into illegal holes of inequality but that is not going to change that we exist, nor is it going to change our demands for equality. I don't believe marches and protests in and of themselves do what we want them to do. I do believe, however that public visibility can bang on the collective conscious of a society and cause some people to realize that whether they agree or not, we do have the right to live in the same country governed by the same laws and rights as they.

I'm not sure where to go from here, or how best to go, but I do know that I haven't been this angry in many years. Many years. And I'm not pushing the anger away this time. It's going to fuel my response, both on a daily level, and on this entire issue.

This country sits in judgment on human rights abuses of the greater global society. What a breathtaking example of hypocracy that is.
 

Thanks Mike! Here's the transcript from Keith Olbermann's very eloquent commentary:

Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on the passage, last week, of Proposition Eight in California, which rescinded the right of same-sex couples to marry, and tilted the balance on this issue, from coast to coast.

Some parameters, as preface. This isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics, and this isn't really just about Prop-8. And I don't have a personal investment in this: I'm not gay, I had to strain to think of one member of even my very extended family who is, I have no personal stories of close friends or colleagues fighting the prejudice that still pervades their lives.

And yet to me this vote is horrible. Horrible. Because this isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics. This is about the human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it.

If you voted for this Proposition or support those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because, truly, I do not understand. Why does this matter to you? What is it to you? In a time of impermanence and fly-by-night relationships, these people over here want the same chance at permanence and happiness that is your option. They don't want to deny you yours. They don't want to take anything away from you. They want what you want—a chance to be a little less alone in the world.

Only now you are saying to them—no. You can't have it on these terms. Maybe something similar. If they behave. If they don't cause too much trouble. You'll even give them all the same legal rights—even as you're taking away the legal right, which they already had. A world around them, still anchored in love and marriage, and you are saying, no, you can't marry. What if somebody passed a law that said you couldn't marry?

I keep hearing this term "re-defining" marriage. If this country hadn't re-defined marriage, black people still couldn't marry white people. Sixteen states had laws on the books which made that illegal in 1967. 1967.

The parents of the President-Elect of the United States couldn't have married in nearly one third of the states of the country their son grew up to lead. But it's worse than that. If this country had not "re-defined" marriage, some black people still couldn't marry black people. It is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized, if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property, they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child. Their marriage vows were different: not "Until Death, Do You Part," but "Until Death or Distance, Do You Part." Marriages among slaves were not legally recognized.

You know, just like marriages today in California are not legally recognized, if the people are gay.

And uncountable in our history are the number of men and women, forced by society into marrying the opposite sex, in sham marriages, or marriages of convenience, or just marriages of not knowing, centuries of men and women who have lived their lives in shame and unhappiness, and who have, through a lie to themselves or others, broken countless other lives, of spouses and children, all because we said a man couldn't marry another man, or a woman couldn't marry another woman. The sanctity of marriage.

How many marriages like that have there been and how on earth do they increase the "sanctity" of marriage rather than render the term, meaningless?

What is this, to you? Nobody is asking you to embrace their expression of love. But don't you, as human beings, have to embrace... that love? The world is barren enough.

It is stacked against love, and against hope, and against those very few and precious emotions that enable us to go forward. Your marriage only stands a 50-50 chance of lasting, no matter how much you feel and how hard you work.

And here are people overjoyed at the prospect of just that chance, and that work, just for the hope of having that feeling. With so much hate in the world, with so much meaningless division, and people pitted against people for no good reason, this is what your religion tells you to do? With your experience of life and this world and all its sadnesses, this is what your conscience tells you to do?

With your knowledge that life, with endless vigor, seems to tilt the playing field on which we all live, in favor of unhappiness and hate... this is what your heart tells you to do? You want to sanctify marriage? You want to honor your God and the universal love you believe he represents? Then Spread happiness—this tiny, symbolic, semantical grain of happiness—share it with all those who seek it. Quote me anything from your religious leader or book of choice telling you to stand against this. And then tell me how you can believe both that statement and another statement, another one which reads only "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

You are asked now, by your country, and perhaps by your creator, to stand on one side or another. You are asked now to stand, not on a question of politics, not on a question of religion, not on a question of gay or straight. You are asked now to stand, on a question of love. All you need do is stand, and let the tiny ember of love meet its own fate.

You don't have to help it, you don't have it applaud it, you don't have to fight for it. Just don't put it out. Just don't extinguish it. Because while it may at first look like that love is between two people you don't know and you don't understand and maybe you don't even want to know. It is, in fact, the ember of your love, for your fellow person just because this is the only world we have. And the other guy counts, too.

This is the second time in ten days I find myself concluding by turning to, of all things, the closing plea for mercy by Clarence Darrow in a murder trial.

But what he said, fits what is really at the heart of this:

"I was reading last night of the aspiration of the old Persian poet, Omar-Khayyam," he told the judge. It appealed to me as the highest that I can vision. I wish it was in my heart, and I wish it was in the hearts of all: So I be written in the Book of Love; I do not care about that Book above. Erase my name, or write it as you will, So I be written in the Book of Love."
 
I have had quite a few one-on-ones with members of the "Vote Yes" coalition recently. I think there were a number of factors at work.

1.) Many don't know that they know gay people. (I know that sounds absurd -- but it's true) The lady with the very short hair who works at Safeway, and is so nice, and always makes sure the frozen stuff is double-bagged so it doesn't melt before you get it home, lives with another lady because she's still waiting for the right guy to come along. :confused3 Yeah. Right.

2.) They're freakin' out 'cause their jobs are hangin' by a thread, their retirement fund's in the crapper, and they're two months behind on their mortgage payments. All this uncertainty sets otherwise reasonable people up to believe ridiculous things. "A church in Canada (nobody ever seems to know what church, what denomination, what province...etc:confused3 ) was forced to perform a wedding between two men, two women, two unisex-4 eyed aliens..." Ooooooh...

3.) Their church told them that voting yes was the right thing to do. This is the aspect of this whole mess that REALLY sticks in my craw. Ministers, Priests, Bishops, Rabbis ought to know better. Others who know a lot more than me might think I'm wrong but -- for what it's worth, I believe that peacefully protesting those churches that supported these hateful propositions, is absolutely the correct and appropriate tactic in response. Give'em some of their own back...

Now I'm steamed up again. I'm not sure that I am really up for catching another raft of crap like I got before the election...but I AM thinking about my options...:mad:
 












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