Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

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And many teens balk at sleeping on a pullout as well.

This would be the point that any teenagers in my house would stop being invited to enjoy vacations paid for by mom and dad. I believe they'd be getting summer jobs working at a camp or something while mom enjoyed a vacation from them.

 

[Dean]

This would be the point that any teenagers in my house would stop being invited to enjoy vacations paid for by mom and dad. I believe they'd be getting summer jobs working at a camp or something while mom enjoyed a vacation from them.

Oh I agree with you but how many times on this board have we seen people post about kids that wouldn't sleep on a pullout or wouldn't sleep together when it was otherwise appropriate for them to do so.

 

[FLYNZ4]

Oh I agree with you but how many times on this board have we seen people post about kids that wouldn't sleep on a pullout or wouldn't sleep together when it was otherwise appropriate for them to do so.

Our two girls will sleep on the sleeper in a 1BR (and they have). The problem is that WE do not want them to... we would prefer a 2BR so that we can relax in the LR without tripping over their things... and even that presumes that they fold up the bed in a timely manner.

/Jim

 

[Magic08]

This is one of the main reasons AKV attracted us, because they said you can put 5 people in a one bedroom. I'm wondering why this is a controversial topic? A one bedroom is plenty of space for us and our 3 children because they usually sleep together anyway. Our guide also told us it is not a problem if you mention it when making the reservation but that you will not get any extra bedding for the 5th person.

 

[Dean]

This is one of the main reasons AKV attracted us, because they said you can put 5 people in a one bedroom. I'm wondering why this is a controversial topic? A one bedroom is plenty of space for us and our 3 children because they usually sleep together anyway. Our guide also told us it is not a problem if you mention it when making the reservation but that you will not get any extra bedding for the 5th person.

I can't speak for others. My feeling is MS and the resorts should enforce the rules in place in the legal paperwork. As for it being a victimless crime, I would disagree completely. There are numerous components but they can be summed up in two areas, over-saturation of the facilities/infrastructure and increased wear and tear leading to extra maint costs. There is also some question of fire codes as well.

 

[bpmorley]

I can't speak for others. My feeling is MS and the resorts should enforce the rules in place in the legal paperwork. As for it being a victimless crime, I would disagree completely. There are numerous components but they can be summed up in two areas, over-saturation of the facilities/infrastructure and increased wear and tear leading to extra maint costs. There is also some question of fire codes as well.

In the overall big picture I can't agree. Again, for every group that has that extra(illegal?) person, I'd lay 100 to 1 odds that 100 other units are being underutilized.

 

[Magic08]

Oh goodness, when I posted on this thread being the newbie that I am I somehow ended up on the last page and didn't see the previos 100 or so. I've just spent some time reading through and as a family of 5 I would never have bought in had they told me we could not put 5 in a one bedroom. I happen to be blessed enough to have a house where each of our 3 children have their own room, but I am a social worker and see many families living in a mobile home with 5 or more children! A one bedroom unit for a family vacation is PLENTY of space for us! We were explicitly told it would not be a problem when we make our reservations.

 

[Magic08]

Oh and one more thing, as for Disney "going back on their word" I can't see that happening. Disney is so family friendly and customer oriented, that is what we love so much about them and why we invest a lot of money to vacation there on a frequent basis. We know what we were told, and obviously many others were told the same thing. They may not put it in the writing, but they were quite clear that 5 in a one bedroom is A-OK.

 

[bpmorley]

Oh goodness, when I posted on this thread being the newbie that I am I somehow ended up on the last page and didn't see the previos 100 or so. I've just spent some time reading through and as a family of 5 I would never have bought in had they told me we could not put 5 in a one bedroom. I happen to be blessed enough to have a house where each of our 3 children have their own room, but I am a social worker and see many families living in a mobile home with 5 or more children! A one bedroom unit for a family vacation is PLENTY of space for us! We were explicitly told it would not be a problem when we make our reservations.

I come from the land of small row homes. I could live with 8 in a 1bdr & still feel like I had room. But don't worry you can always put 5 in a 1bdr.

 

[Chuck S]

Oh and one more thing, as for Disney "going back on their word" I can't see that happening. Disney is so family friendly and customer oriented, that is what we love so much about them and why we invest a lot of money to vacation there on a frequent basis. We know what we were told, and obviously many others were told the same thing. They may not put it in the writing, but they were quite clear that 5 in a one bedroom is A-OK.

Actually, I try to stay out of this thread, but if you really want to get technical, Disney has already "gone back on their word." Their word is in writing, as far as room occupancy limits.

 

[LadyKay]

If MS is allowing higher occupancy couldn't it mean that they are being permitted to?

 

[Deb & Bill]

If MS is allowing higher occupancy couldn't it mean that they are being permitted to?

I think it is more a decision they decided to make, rather than permitted to. Where is the permission obtained? Technically, it should come from the fire marshall. Since Disney has it's own fire marshall - Reedy Creek Fire Dept (unless the State Fire Marshall has some say in this) - they evidently have decided to disregard the fire rules for DVC villas.

When they say they are looking out for our safety by not putting glassware in the studios, yet allow more persons than the fire codes allow, I just don't understand it.

 

[bpmorley]

I think it is more a decision they decided to make, rather than permitted to. Where is the permission obtained? Technically, it should come from the fire marshall. Since Disney has it's own fire marshall - Reedy Creek Fire Dept (unless the State Fire Marshall has some say in this) - they evidently have decided to disregard the fire rules for DVC villas.

When they say they are looking out for our safety by not putting glassware in the studios, yet allow more persons than the fire codes allow, I just don't understand it.

Do you know for a fact that they are violating any fire code? What if the fire code stated that there could be 6 in a 1bdr? I know it's tough to tell tone of voice in typing, but I'm really not try to be argumentative. I just really don't think overcrowding of DVC rooms happens as much as some of the people here think it does.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Do you know for a fact that they are violating any fire code? What if the fire code stated that there could be 6 in a 1bdr? I know it's tough to tell tone of voice in typing, but I'm really not try to be argumentative. I just really don't think overcrowding of DVC rooms happens as much as some of the people here think it does.

Occupancy is based on fire codes. They have addressed occupancy in the Public Offering Statement, plus other literature that you get when you purchase. It's in writing.

I think they started down the slippery slope when they decided to allow one under the age of three. Then they decided to allow five in a one bedroom. Then someone decided that really meant five plus one under three.

 

[LadyKay]

I think it is more a decision they decided to make, rather than permitted to. Where is the permission obtained? Technically, it should come from the fire marshall. Since Disney has it's own fire marshall - Reedy Creek Fire Dept (unless the State Fire Marshall has some say in this) - they evidently have decided to disregard the fire rules for DVC villas.

When they say they are looking out for our safety by not putting glassware in the studios, yet allow more persons than the fire codes allow, I just don't understand it.

Maybe they (DVC & fire marshalls) have left room for adjustment! I seriously think (simply my opinion) we are making WAAAAYYYYY too big a deal of all this. When making ressies through CRO, they are firm on occupancy due to their booking system. However when booking through DVC (MS) if they are able to add more pp/villa than stated, is it not a possibility that the DVC system has been set up that way?

 

[Deb & Bill]

Maybe they (DVC & fire marshalls) have left room for adjustment! I seriously think (simply my opinion) we are making WAAAAYYYYY too big a deal of all this. When making ressies through CRO, they are firm on occupancy due to their booking system. However when booking through DVC (MS) if they are able to add more pp/villa than stated, is it not a possibility that the DVC system has been set up that way?

Nope, I just think this is one more instance of Disney not following their own rules and trying to "please the customer".

If occupancy wasn't important, it wouldn't have been stated in the POS.

When the first fire happens where a guest is injured or killed because it was difficult to evacuate the building, that's when it will hit the fan.

 

[bpmorley]

Occupancy is based on fire codes.

That's not the only factor. square footage, secondary routes of egress, hard wire vs stand alone detection, wet or dry sprinkler system, wet or dry standpipe, amount of electrical, building construction type, and many more.

 

[bpmorley]

Maybe they (DVC & fire marshalls) have left room for adjustment! I seriously think (simply my opinion) we are making WAAAAYYYYY too big a deal of all this. When making ressies through CRO, they are firm on occupancy due to their booking system. However when booking through DVC (MS) if they are able to add more pp/villa than stated, is it not a possibility that the DVC system has been set up that way?

That is entirely possible. And I agree I think some on here are making WAAAYYYY too big a deal of this.

 

[bpmorley]

Nope, I just think this is one more instance of Disney not following their own rules and trying to "please the customer".

If occupancy wasn't important, it wouldn't have been stated in the POS.

When the first fire happens where a guest is injured or killed because it was difficult to evacuate the building, that's when it will hit the fan.

I totally disagree. It will not hit the fan. they won't look for room by room. The FD will look for total occupation. That number will be so far under the max occupancy level that it won't get a second look. If the total a building can have is 600(estimate) the most that will be in there will be 300.

 

[CarolAnnC]

This thread is the only place we allow discussion of DVC Occupancy and we must insist that it remain a civil and interesting discussion for everyone. Thank you all in advance.