Mass storage for all those WDW pics.

smjj

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I don't know about you but I have sooooo many pictures on my PC and I am always trying to ensure they all get backed up for safety. My Disney and all other photos came to over 5,000. I am always worried about making sure they all get backed up. Then there are all the seperate DVD's and such. Well I found a mass storage device that does it automatically whenever I just plug it into my PC. It's great and now I feel much more at ease about what would happen if my PC went belly up. I am sure they make several different brands but mine is a Polariod PhotoKeeper 80K. Its about the size of a blackberry and I now have it along with my 5227 photos safely stored away in my fireproof safe just in case...smjj
 
Just add some thoughts on a mass storage device...my comments are not so much on the device as such, but what is contained within them. Most of course are HDD based - solid state or flash memory is too expensive ( right now).

In choosing a device I only have one recommendation..I have been into computer crap for quite a few years now and have a good experience with the HDDs that are the most dependable...

I have found that the Seagate brand of HDD tend to be the most dependable..their external models ( available at Walmart - for a decent price) are warranted for 5 years of continous running (MTBF hours are the highest in the industry)..

I am not going to comment on the least dependable as in a public forum like this could be legal problems..

However in all these backup devices - look at the specs..look at how many hours for MTBF and what the warranty is - that will give you a good idea..

Remember as with all HDD they can eventually fail ..always back up to a secondary device as well ( like a DVD) ..

Never, ever rely solely on your main computer for storage..

Also 2.5" drives are less dependable then 3.5" drives (usually lower MTBF)
 
I agree with most of what drcandon says. I often buy Seagate just for the 5-year warranty but I have had some fail on me, and Maxtor (who Seagate bought a few years ago) is the company I've easily had the worst luck with - in other words, I think "best drive" changes all the time. :) My most recent drives have been a 500g Samsung (consistently rated higher than the Seagate, "only" a 3-year warranty) and a 750g Seagate.

Packing a hard drive away with all your photos sounds great but it's always possible for that drive to die completely next time you plug it in. It's an "eggs in one basket" situation. DVDs will almost always give you better, longer-lasting reliability than hard drives, plus you have the advantage of not losing everything if one fails. And they're so cheap, it's easy to burn two copies of each disk.
 
I agree that DVD media is the safest, way to go... but

I find myself falling behind on backing stuff up, two external drives and an additional internal is the easiest for me. Odds are that all three drives will not all fail at the same time, plus easiest means I keep up. Files that are backed up tend to be safer than those that will be backed up next weekend.

If you are disciplined enough to go the DVD route, that is great.
 

I have 3 internal sata hard drives in my pc. One is the root drive for the OS/apps and is a 10,000 rpm Western Digital. The other 2 are 1TB sata 7200 rpm WD drives for storage. I transfer the pictures from my camera using Nikon Transfer. It allows me to have a primary and a backup destination so the originals automatically get backed up right off the bat. I also run nightly backups to an external WD drive via firewire.

It may sound like I'm an advocate for Western Digital, but I really have no loyalty to them. I've just happened to have had good luck for more than a decade of using them. If I were to make the switch it would probably be to a Seagate.

All drives can and eventually will fail. As others have mentioned, using DVD's is a great way to go but I'm not disciplined enought to stay on top of that method. :rolleyes1
 
True, it takes discipline... which I don't always have... I am a few DVDs behind, I admit it. :) Redundant drive storage and burning to DVD regularly is probably best. I worry about drives that get data stuck on them then sit on a shelf... how long will it be bad before you notice?
 
The drive I was referring to is not what I consider a external hard drive as is being discussed here. The one I am referring to is the Polaroid PictureKeeper. Its like a flash drive but better. No moving parts. It plugs into a USB port and automatically backs up your pictures. It is customizable to back up only extensions you want it to. I first plugged mine in and within 5 min. all my photos were backed up no buttons to punch and no files to select. Check it out to see what I am referring to. I do aggree that a DVD is maybe the most reliable(for now) but these drives are gaining popularity due to there realiablity. Again, I do keep DVD's but there is a lot of work to get all your photos backed up and then did you miss some, have you backed up some more than once? You get the picture...smjj
 
The drive I was referring to is not what I consider a external hard drive as is being discussed here. The one I am referring to is the Polaroid PictureKeeper. Its like a flash drive but better. No moving parts
I hate to say it, but sorry, but it is a hard drive... check our Polaroid's own site.

80G hard drive automatically stores up to 80,000 digital photos

Based on the size of the device, I'd bet almost anything that it's a 2.5" hard drive, the same as used in most laptops... and less reliable than the 3.5" drives in most desktop PCs.

If it was just a flash drive, it would be limited to a smaller size... and you might as well just keep your photos on the original memory cards, since those are flash memory also.
 
Funny you mention Seagate, my Barracuda just died after 4 years of service.
All drives fail, just a question of when.

I back up to two external drives, one internal. Both external drives are stored offsite. Capacity is not an issue as prices are so low and my movies are there as well.

I don't recommend DVD backups. Takes too much time, it costs money each time to backup, uses more space and retrieval isn't convenient.
 
DH bought me an external storage 'on the go', i thinks is 320MG and is portable. I have tons of pictures and my computer was full, just from this trip I got about 5,000 pics. :(
 
Google ran a study on the drives in their facilities and found little difference in reliability between brands. What they did find was a large increase in failures of drives over two years old. Google now replaces all their drives at two years.
 
Nothing lasts forever. DVDs are more reliable and last longer than Hard Disks, but they only work if you use them.

Another option is using an online backup service or a photo hosting site. Smugmug now has the ability to store RAW files so you can use it for backing up and displaying your JPGs and for backing up your RAW files. The downsides to online backups are that they are slow (unless you have a really fast connection) and your data is only as safe as the company (which in the dot com world is often not very safe).

We are getting close to a time when the memory cards themselves will be cheap enough for long term archiving. I'd still make copies, but it'll be nice to just keep the original memory cards. You can already get 4 gig cards for under $20. Shooting RAW, that's something like 400 pictures or $0.05 / picture. It's already much cheaper than film ever was.
 
While traveling at WDW or elsewhere I usually have my mac with me. I will back up pictures to a portable hard drive and burn a DVD. When I get home I copy them to two different hard drives. I have a 1tb for main storage for the house and numberous 160-320gb drives attached to my network. I keep all of my dvds and file them by date.
 
I have 2 external hard drives and 1 extra internal hard drive. All my photos (approx 29,000 files including RAW and JPEG digital files and scanned photos and slides) are on each of these 3 hard drives. I also have them all (except for the last 2 weeks or so) backed up on CD and/or DVD.

Typically I don't format the memory card until they are backed up to DVD. Though a few times I have formated a card with the images only on the 3 hard drives.

I also have about 2,500 images on smugmug (and always adding more).
 
I have an external HD for each computer for my file backup plus many, many CD backups of my photos.

My next project is to make a backup of all my photos to DVDs as an extra measure ...... the problem is the old "Round Tuit" :headache:
 
Well I put all my pics on CD's and then storage them on the portable memory. Always on cd.
 
Funny you mention Seagate, my Barracuda just died after 4 years of service.
I don't remember exactly when Seagate went to a 5-year-warranty but it may have been more than four years ago - I'd go on their site and check the warranty of that drive if I were you. :)

I don't recommend DVD backups. Takes too much time, it costs money each time to backup, uses more space and retrieval isn't convenient.
I don't understand these points at all.
Takes time - yes, though with today's fast burners, it's not all that much different. You can burn and verify a DVD in well under 10 minutes while using the PC for other things.
Costs money - the per-meg cost is similar to the cost of hard drives (which says more for falling HD costs than anything else), and with hard drives, that money will be completely lost when the hard drive fails out of warranty. With DVDs, it's unlikely that all will fail for a very long time.
Uses more space - potentially true but so what? They're still pretty small, and the reliability of a stack of burnt DVDs is still way, way better than a hard drive sitting on a shelf. If you're having a hard time managing the discs, just buy a cheap big CD wallet (I have many 300-500 disc wallets) and they'll be safe, secure, organized, and easily retrievable. It helps to have a decent disc indexing program, too.

Well I put all my pics on CD's and then storage them on the portable memory. Always on cd.
You might want to consider a DVD burner - they're down to under $30 nowadays (NewEgg had a Sony for $18 with free shipping a couple days ago!) and blank DVDs cost less than twice what blank CDs cost now but store about seven times as much data. You can save money and cut down on the number of discs you need.
 
There are four keys to successful backups: Redundancy, Organization, and Redundancy.

Organization, Mr. Tibbs
The first thing anyone must do to make sure that they back up all their files (pics or any other kind of files) is to get them organized. Having files spread out all over the place is a recipe for disaster, because it guarantees that you'll forget to back up something, sometime. And Mr. Murphy always makes sure that the one thing you don't have backed up is the one thing that gets lost in a power surge, hard drive failure, or massive space-time inversion.

All of my pics are under My Pictures, with a subfolder for each year, and more subfolder under each year for each day. My pics are arranged and named chronologically, so it's very easy for me to dump entire years or even decades of photos onto DVDs or portable hard drives for backup purposes. And although there are folks who have forgotten entire decades, it hasn't happened to me. Yet.

After organizing your files into a single tree structure for backup, the next step is redundancy. And the step after that is also redundancy. But I'm getting a little ahead of myself.

Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
Whether you backup to a portable hard drive, a solid state device, or DVDs, doesn't matter if you keep those backups in the same building as your computer; you are still in danger of losing your files to the four Elements - Fire, Water, Earth, and Air.

Fire
Fire can strike anywhere, any time, and if your backups are in your home, it will happily consume them along with your computer, your furniture, and all of those terrible old albums you've been saving from your high school years (no, Wham! is not going to make a comeback).

Water
Water comes from both above and below, in the form of rain and/or flood, and can likewise soggify your backups at the same time that your computer hangs ten down the street with Keanu. Whoa! Oh, year, and when the fire department shows up to save your home from fire, they're gonna be shooting a lot of water all over the place, so even if The Beast doesn't get your computer and backups, the McAfferty brothers probably will. That red light blinking in the corner of your eye - that's your Backup Dissipation Light, and it's just gone into overdrive.

Earth
Earth? Well, that is not a danger to everyone, but anyone who lives in an earthquake zone or on the side of a hill is in danger of having their backups swallowed up along with the computer, the house, and the car your neighbor has on blocks in his yard, in a quake or landslide. Remember, Lex's father always told him: LAND.

Air
Air is everywhere - it's in the very air we breath - and when it gets angry it tends to throw things. Heavy things. Like cows, and combines, and houses. And yes, if your house gets thrown over the rainbow, the wind will get your computer, my pretty - and your little backups, too! What a world, what a world...

Problem solver? More like a problem eliminator...
What do all of these truly awful movie references and groan-worthy puns mean? They mean that, if you want to keep your pics and other computer files safe from real disaster - not fake disasters like hard drive failures, power spikes, or cat urine - you need to learn a term used in the computer industry for decades: Off-Site Backup.

Off-Site - It's not just for hotels
Off-site backup is so simple, everyone can do it. All you need to do is periodically burn an extra copy of your backups, and store them somewhere other than your house. I store mine at work, but you can also store them with Aunt Marge or Uncle Vernon, or both. Online photo storage is another type of off-site backup, because whatever files you have online are not in your home, so they will most likely be safe if your home goes PFFFT!! in a wild fire or gets launched into orbit by Uma Thurmon. The key is redundancy, and redundancy means redundancy. More copies, in different physical locations, makes it more likely that at least one copy of your files will survive any disaster short of the Day After Tomorrow.

Ya mean ya gotta use your hands?! That's like a baby toy!
One more thing to consider - off-site backup is a great precaution not only for digital files, but for hard copy records, as well. Storing copies of important documents at remote locations will insure their survival in the event of an alien invasion or zombie attack, along with the digital files. My preferred method for doing this is to scan my paper records to PDF files and store them on DVD along with my digital files, but you don't have to go so high-tech; all you need is access to a photocopier and a little bit of organizational skill, and important stuff like medical records and bank statements can be safely squirreled away in your cousin Vinnie's basement in New York, safe from any disasters you might face at home. Assuming that Vinnie can read, he can mail vital documents back to you in the event of disaster, or you can rent a metallic mint green 1964 Buick Skylark and drive up to get them.

The Department of Redundancy Department gratefully thanks you and expresses its gratitude for your attention.
 
There are four keys to successful backups: Redundancy, Organization, and Redundancy.

The Department of Redundancy Department gratefully thanks you and expresses its gratitude for your attention.

Even simple redundancy shows great improvements. By using two devices with reliability of 85% we increase the system reliability to 98%. The key is to find and eliminate single sources of failure.
 















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