Marvel coming to WDW???!!!!

I didn't realize there were so many Disney bashers on the boards. There's got to be some reason why non Dinsey sites are bringing this all up now. I love the marvel meet and greets at Disneyland. Marvel belongs at Disney and I'm holding out hope that the rumors about attractions coming to WDW are all true.
 
I didn't realize there were so many Disney bashers on the boards. There's got to be some reason why non Dinsey sites are bringing this all up now. I love the marvel meet and greets at Disneyland. Marvel belongs at Disney and I'm holding out hope that the rumors about attractions coming to WDW are all true.

Its called being a realist, not a Disney basher. It's not like Disney is going to make a ride better than Spiderman anyway....also a statement from seeing their track record lately
 
I didn't realize there were so many Disney bashers on the boards. There's got to be some reason why non Dinsey sites are bringing this all up now. I love the marvel meet and greets at Disneyland. Marvel belongs at Disney and I'm holding out hope that the rumors about attractions coming to WDW are all true.

It has nothing to do with bashing. All of us here enjoy Disney otherwise we wouldn't be here.

It has everything to do with economics. Disney spends as little as possible in Orlando because there's no need to spend when attendance is high and the money is rolling in. Again since they let other IPs sit on the sidelines when it comes to building attractions why would they bother spending money to get Marvel back, especially when Universal is cutting them a check?
 

Sorry. Statements like '80s technology for a new attraction sounded like bashing.

there has been no indication that they're making anything more advanced for the Iron Man attraction than the same ride vehicles they used for Star Tours, which opened in 1987. I could be wrong, but so far that is what I've seen.
 
They'll come up with reasons to refuse.

Sorry, this is a legal contract they can't just make up reasons. This contract heavily favors Universal since it was made at a time when Marvel was in pretty bad shape, long before the before the success of the movies.
 
I didn't realize there were so many Disney bashers on the boards. There's got to be some reason why non Dinsey sites are bringing this all up now. I love the marvel meet and greets at Disneyland. Marvel belongs at Disney and I'm holding out hope that the rumors about attractions coming to WDW are all true.

Can you provide links to these sites? The recent discussion of Disney getting the rights back seem to all originate from an article on one Disney site that is taking some rumors about Marvel at Uni and is likely drawing the wrong conclusion from them.
 
I didn't realize there were so many Disney bashers on the boards. There's got to be some reason why non Dinsey sites are bringing this all up now. I love the marvel meet and greets at Disneyland. Marvel belongs at Disney and I'm holding out hope that the rumors about attractions coming to WDW are all true.
I'm not a Disney basher. I love the company and a lot of what they do. I would love for marvel to come to WDW but based on the information I know and what I've heard of the negotiations it's not happening at least no my anytime soon.
 
Can you provide links to these sites? The recent discussion of Disney getting the rights back seem to all originate from an article on one Disney site that is taking some rumors about Marvel at Uni and is likely drawing the wrong conclusion from them.
And it was said on other forums that, that site was just looking for traffic. Multiple insiders reported marvel is staying at UNI and likely will gain a larger presence.
 
there has been no indication that they're making anything more advanced for the Iron Man attraction than the same ride vehicles they used for Star Tours, which opened in 1987. I could be wrong, but so far that is what I've seen.
Exactly there just isn't a lot of information about the iron man attraction.
 
When you google Marvel plans for Universal, I see countless articles stating Hulk will be re-themed and Doom is simply going away. I truly believe Marvel's days at IOA are numbered. Finally. We will find out within the next 6 months I'd say.
Doom is going away for a new marvel theme. It's staying in the marvel family. Hulk is getting a big refurb but staying hulk.
 
That quote basically says that if (key word 'if') attractions are announced they will focus on the future films. That doesn't translate into an absolute.

I think something is coming eventually, but more along the lines of an expanded presence of the Jedi Academy, a themed restaurant and maybe an extra show or two.

There's another thread in this sub-forum around the Hollywood Studios refurbish. Take a look over there for some additional perspective around some of the limitations. It's widely assumed that if Star Wars comes in it will be in DHS. The problem there is that nothing of substance will fit unless a huge rearranging of the layout takes place.

Edit to add: Forgot to mention the gift shop of epic proportions will be an almost certain given.

The quote and other quotes do not say if. Disney has made it clear Star Wars is coming and it is big. It just makes sense and cents.

When you google Marvel plans for Universal, I see countless articles stating Hulk will be re-themed and Doom is simply going away. I truly believe Marvel's days at IOA are numbered. Finally. We will find out within the next 6 months I'd say.

Doom is terrible. My young adult son said it was the worst ride he'd ever been on, it was so lame. Worse than other drop rides. Hulk is just a coaster. With green theming. Whoopee.

This dead horse is being beaten all over forums these days...it's pretty sad. Marvel is not leaving Universal. Disney is not going to suddenly spend tons of money to buy the rights, then tons more money to make attractions when they have no interest in building attractions for the strong IP's they already have.

The only thing happening right now for Marvel and Disney is at Hong Kong and even that is far from being finished (Iron Man ride based on 1980's technology...aka Star Tours)

There is the possibility that a deal could be struck between Universal and Disney that turns Marvel back over to Disney and is beneficial to both.

Why? Because the more successful Marvel is for Disney, the more Disney is associated with the Marvel characters and the more Disney’s version of the characters become the cultural norm... the more this is less valuable to Universal.

Universal has rights to the Marvel characters but not anything related to the movies themselves or the movie version of the characters. Disney’s version of Thor is the Thor most people in our culture relate to now. Universal cannot use a representation of the actor, they must use the comics. Same with other characters. The bigger Avengers get, the less Universal will want to support Disney’s Marvel and the more valuable those characters would be to have at WDW. At some point the two differing views will reach common ground and a deal will be struck.

Not only does Universal have to pay Disney for every profit they make from Marvel, they are fighting an uphill battle against the cultural zeitgeist. And their Marvel presence isn’t all that great except for Spiderman. But Spidy is not directly Disney’s like Avengers, even though he will appear in some Disney movies. I could see spidy staying and all the other Avengers leaving Universal.

It is no more impossible than Spiderman being in an Avengers movie. When the situation and money is right, it will happen. Especially if Universal can run with other good properties that don’t support Disney. They are searching and may have found some already.

Its called being a realist, not a Disney basher. It's not like Disney is going to make a ride better than Spiderman anyway....also a statement from seeing their track record lately

It has nothing to do with bashing. All of us here enjoy Disney otherwise we wouldn't be here.

It has everything to do with economics. Disney spends as little as possible in Orlando because there's no need to spend when attendance is high and the money is rolling in. Again since they let other IPs sit on the sidelines when it comes to building attractions why would they bother spending money to get Marvel back, especially when Universal is cutting them a check?

Maybe to some it is realism, but to most of us it is bashing. Once you've been here a while you can see who is constantly negative in every single thread about every single thing. There are people here that never say one thing positive. NEVER. It is depressing after a while. I have no doubt it has driven people away. Who wants to go to a club about something you love where some people do nothing but complain? Where there is lots of negativity! Everybody is entitled to their opinion and it is certainly ok to think some things Disney does is wrong and to be upset. But when it is nothing but negativity in every single post in every single thread to the point of ridiculousness, it gets distressing. Here we are because we love the happy place of Disney and this place is so darn negative. People who love something want to get together with other like minded people to share their love. When someone says they love, too, but then does nothing but speak negatively about what they are supposed to love, well, it isn't fun. I have seen a few negative people ruin a number of online boards. I don't like to hang with friends who say nothing but negative things about their wives and children. Why people feel so negative, I don't know. I stick around to encourage the positive and answer some of the ridiculous negativity. To each his own. It is a free place and an open forum. I just hope positivity can grow, it is much more fun.
 
I could say that some here are bashing Universal and there are Universal forums here too. I admit that I personally prefer Universal but I do like Disney too so I see no sense in bashing either company.

Disney has not shown a good track record of building anything decent lately in their Florida themeparks while Universal has. I don't see why it would matter to Disney whether they have rights to in-park Marvel characters at least for now. They have a lot on their plate as it is. Universal showcasing the Marvel characters and paying to do so is a win-win for everyone. Again,at least for now.

As far as I can see, no one that comes here is an insider or has a crystal ball. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
The quote and other quotes do not say if. Disney has made it clear Star Wars is coming and it is big. It just makes sense and cents.



Doom is terrible. My young adult son said it was the worst ride he'd ever been on, it was so lame. Worse than other drop rides. Hulk is just a coaster. With green theming. Whoopee.



There is the possibility that a deal could be struck between Universal and Disney that turns Marvel back over to Disney and is beneficial to both.

Why? Because the more successful Marvel is for Disney, the more Disney is associated with the Marvel characters and the more Disney’s version of the characters become the cultural norm... the more this is less valuable to Universal.

Universal has rights to the Marvel characters but not anything related to the movies themselves or the movie version of the characters. Disney’s version of Thor is the Thor most people in our culture relate to now. Universal cannot use a representation of the actor, they must use the comics. Same with other characters. The bigger Avengers get, the less Universal will want to support Disney’s Marvel and the more valuable those characters would be to have at WDW. At some point the two differing views will reach common ground and a deal will be struck.

Not only does Universal have to pay Disney for every profit they make from Marvel, they are fighting an uphill battle against the cultural zeitgeist. And their Marvel presence isn’t all that great except for Spiderman. But Spidy is not directly Disney’s like Avengers, even though he will appear in some Disney movies. I could see spidy staying and all the other Avengers leaving Universal.

It is no more impossible than Spiderman being in an Avengers movie. When the situation and money is right, it will happen. Especially if Universal can run with other good properties that don’t support Disney. They are searching and may have found some already.





Maybe to some it is realism, but to most of us it is bashing. Once you've been here a while you can see who is constantly negative in every single thread about every single thing. There are people here that never say one thing positive. NEVER. It is depressing after a while. I have no doubt it has driven people away. Who wants to go to a club about something you love where some people do nothing but complain? Where there is lots of negativity! Everybody is entitled to their opinion and it is certainly ok to think some things Disney does is wrong and to be upset. But when it is nothing but negativity in every single post in every single thread to the point of ridiculousness, it gets distressing. Here we are because we love the happy place of Disney and this place is so darn negative. People who love something want to get together with other like minded people to share their love. When someone says they love, too, but then does nothing but speak negatively about what they are supposed to love, well, it isn't fun. I have seen a few negative people ruin a number of online boards. I don't like to hang with friends who say nothing but negative things about their wives and children. Why people feel so negative, I don't know. I stick around to encourage the positive and answer some of the ridiculous negativity. To each his own. It is a free place and an open forum. I just hope positivity can grow, it is much more fun.

The dead horse is still dead, you'll see in about 6-7 months.
 
Disney’s version of Thor is the Thor most people in our culture relate to now. Universal cannot use a representation of the actor....

They can't?....

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The quote and other quotes do not say if. Disney has made it clear Star Wars is coming and it is big. It just makes sense and cents.



Doom is terrible. My young adult son said it was the worst ride he'd ever been on, it was so lame. Worse than other drop rides. Hulk is just a coaster. With green theming. Whoopee.



There is the possibility that a deal could be struck between Universal and Disney that turns Marvel back over to Disney and is beneficial to both.

Why? Because the more successful Marvel is for Disney, the more Disney is associated with the Marvel characters and the more Disney’s version of the characters become the cultural norm... the more this is less valuable to Universal.

Universal has rights to the Marvel characters but not anything related to the movies themselves or the movie version of the characters. Disney’s version of Thor is the Thor most people in our culture relate to now. Universal cannot use a representation of the actor, they must use the comics. Same with other characters. The bigger Avengers get, the less Universal will want to support Disney’s Marvel and the more valuable those characters would be to have at WDW. At some point the two differing views will reach common ground and a deal will be struck.

Not only does Universal have to pay Disney for every profit they make from Marvel, they are fighting an uphill battle against the cultural zeitgeist. And their Marvel presence isn’t all that great except for Spiderman. But Spidy is not directly Disney’s like Avengers, even though he will appear in some Disney movies. I could see spidy staying and all the other Avengers leaving Universal.

It is no more impossible than Spiderman being in an Avengers movie. When the situation and money is right, it will happen. Especially if Universal can run with other good properties that don’t support Disney. They are searching and may have found some already.






Maybe to some it is realism, but to most of us it is bashing. Once you've been here a while you can see who is constantly negative in every single thread about every single thing. There are people here that never say one thing positive. NEVER. It is depressing after a while. I have no doubt it has driven people away. Who wants to go to a club about something you love where some people do nothing but complain? Where there is lots of negativity! Everybody is entitled to their opinion and it is certainly ok to think some things Disney does is wrong and to be upset. But when it is nothing but negativity in every single post in every single thread to the point of ridiculousness, it gets distressing. Here we are because we love the happy place of Disney and this place is so darn negative. People who love something want to get together with other like minded people to share their love. When someone says they love, too, but then does nothing but speak negatively about what they are supposed to love, well, it isn't fun. I have seen a few negative people ruin a number of online boards. I don't like to hang with friends who say nothing but negative things about their wives and children. Why people feel so negative, I don't know. I stick around to encourage the positive and answer some of the ridiculous negativity. To each his own. It is a free place and an open forum. I just hope positivity can grow, it is much more fun.
Yes disney has made it clear that Star Wars is coming but we don't know when where how or what. They jus keep saying its coming.

Doom is getting a new marvel theme. Hulk is getting a major refurb but staying hulk. People do like roller coasters like the hulk. You could argue that RnRc is just an indoor roller coaster that plays some music whoopie.

In regards to what I bolded. There is and were some negotiations happening. From what I understand is universal wants to use more of the marvel universe. I don't see how a deal would be financially beneficial to both. Disney would have to pay for the rights and that would be one of the biggest theme park deals ever. Then universal would have to get rid of their existing rides and build new ones or somehow reconfigure them. Both companies would be putting forth millions. Marvel is successful for disney and that's great I love it. Disney is going to use marvel in HKDL and disneyland. They just can't in WDW.

Marvel is just as popular at universal as it's ever been and that's part because disney has these new popular movies. That's helping universal in this case. Yes they may only be able to use the comic version but they can still sell new merchandise which they do.

Marvel brings people into universals parks and I don't think they want to get rid of it anytime soon. Spider-Man is a whole other ball game because you have Sony in the picture and they have had success with spiderman so I don't think they want to get rid of him either.

I'm not bashing I'm being real. I've never been to universal nor to I have any current plans to go in the near future. I understand the contract and what the talks are. I follow numerous upon numerous disney sites, blogs, forums. I love disney I will continue to go back for now. It's my dream when I'm out of college to work for them. Disney is in no way perfect. In terms of park operations WDW is worse off then what it was in the 80s and 90s and that could be solely based on just how clean the parks are and the fact that the vast majority of CMs are college program people who don't get the training that disney used to give. Disney is much different today, is it still enjoyable yes, are there problems yes, under current management will they be changed no. I'm going to be honest here and say the disboards is the most positive site I have been on so no I don't think it has driven people away especially when it's the top disney forum in the world. We are all here because we love disney we wouldn't be if we didn't. If you don't like what people have to say don't come on, it's a discussion board where things are to be discussed. I do not think it is negativity in every single thread and every single post if it is I'd like to see some evidence. The dis really is a positive place I suggest you go to one of the other top disney forums in wdwmagic and just see what that is like. They are much more real and negative. Most of them are incredible insiders, disney employees, engineers, people with vast disney knowledge. That site is ways different than this one. I come here to report the news because I enjoy it.
 
I could say that some here are bashing Universal and there are Universal forums here too. I admit that I personally prefer Universal but I do like Disney too so I see no sense in bashing either company.

Disney has not shown a good track record of building anything decent lately in their Florida themeparks while Universal has. I don't see why it would matter to Disney whether they have rights to in-park Marvel characters at least for now. They have a lot on their plate as it is. Universal showcasing the Marvel characters and paying to do so is a win-win for everyone. Again,at least for now.

As far as I can see, no one that comes here is an insider or has a crystal ball. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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Sorry. Statements like '80s technology for a new attraction sounded like bashing.

…or perhaps a statement of fact.

soarin is not much different than the long replaced back to the future ride at universal studios (more comfortable seats though)…and the cutting edge 2008 technology of midway mania was featured in Men In Black: Alien Attack in 2001.

It definitely SOUNDS like disney bashing…no question…and i'm as guilty as any.

But we're at the point of saying "nobody does it like disney"…is a tad disingenuous. It wasn't that long ago that there was a lot more truth to that statement.
 
The quote and other quotes do not say if. Disney has made it clear Star Wars is coming and it is big. It just makes sense and cents.



Doom is terrible. My young adult son said it was the worst ride he'd ever been on, it was so lame. Worse than other drop rides. Hulk is just a coaster. With green theming. Whoopee.



There is the possibility that a deal could be struck between Universal and Disney that turns Marvel back over to Disney and is beneficial to both.

Why? Because the more successful Marvel is for Disney, the more Disney is associated with the Marvel characters and the more Disney’s version of the characters become the cultural norm... the more this is less valuable to Universal.

Universal has rights to the Marvel characters but not anything related to the movies themselves or the movie version of the characters. Disney’s version of Thor is the Thor most people in our culture relate to now. Universal cannot use a representation of the actor, they must use the comics. Same with other characters. The bigger Avengers get, the less Universal will want to support Disney’s Marvel and the more valuable those characters would be to have at WDW. At some point the two differing views will reach common ground and a deal will be struck.

Not only does Universal have to pay Disney for every profit they make from Marvel, they are fighting an uphill battle against the cultural zeitgeist. And their Marvel presence isn’t all that great except for Spiderman. But Spidy is not directly Disney’s like Avengers, even though he will appear in some Disney movies. I could see spidy staying and all the other Avengers leaving Universal.

It is no more impossible than Spiderman being in an Avengers movie. When the situation and money is right, it will happen. Especially if Universal can run with other good properties that don’t support Disney. They are searching and may have found some already.





Maybe to some it is realism, but to most of us it is bashing. Once you've been here a while you can see who is constantly negative in every single thread about every single thing. There are people here that never say one thing positive. NEVER. It is depressing after a while. I have no doubt it has driven people away. Who wants to go to a club about something you love where some people do nothing but complain? Where there is lots of negativity! Everybody is entitled to their opinion and it is certainly ok to think some things Disney does is wrong and to be upset. But when it is nothing but negativity in every single post in every single thread to the point of ridiculousness, it gets distressing. Here we are because we love the happy place of Disney and this place is so darn negative. People who love something want to get together with other like minded people to share their love. When someone says they love, too, but then does nothing but speak negatively about what they are supposed to love, well, it isn't fun. I have seen a few negative people ruin a number of online boards. I don't like to hang with friends who say nothing but negative things about their wives and children. Why people feel so negative, I don't know. I stick around to encourage the positive and answer some of the ridiculous negativity. To each his own. It is a free place and an open forum. I just hope positivity can grow, it is much more fun.

wow…this is just all over the place and ignoring what has become the truth.

WDW is about "cents"…as in they want it. The way to make easy profits is to do little investment in star wars -while trying to attract people using it. Rides don't make money because the property is not in the "expansion period" anymore. We've been over this 1,000 times with mgm and its just not sinking in. The profitable move will be to build as little as possible to maintain or even increase attendance…
I hope they'll get their jollies off of expanding the size of studios and giving us more than 4 stops and brown derby…but that is not the path to profit.

Disney has NO REASON to break that Marvel contract…none. There's just no way to explain this in terms that are anymore clear. They both make money/gain attendance, they both sell merchandise, and right now its an advantageous deal where neither has to lose revenue or spend a billion dollars to rebuild a new themed land across town…theres no contention on these points. What i see is "well if disney built marvel…they'd even make MORE money and attendance will go WAY up". Where are they putting these people? Lining them up out in Screen 38? And theres thing called OVERHEAD - the cost of construction, maintenance, and the longterm burden of more employees - that management is against and has been for years. Additions are done sparingly and strategically…this isn't the move Napoleon would make.

We - The Bashers - need to start asking the Ponders to justify their stance. Most of the trends and the lack of technological development and investment is real at this point….its not a conspiracy theory. The only innovation going on in the disney world is being done where there have a financial partner - namely china, japan, and POSSIBLY in a little corner of animal kingdom….
the rest of WDW is on its own. every dollar spent on a ride could be a dollar lost because there is NOT a direct boost in attendance that was the case in the 80's and the 90's. They kinda hit the wall after animal kingdom…the "gains" since have been much more "inflation" than real spike.

And doom does suck…i agree….tower of terror doesn't. But they haven't come close to trying to replicate that in over 20 years…everest was the closest attempt and how'd that work out? a switch track coaster in the dark without the big feature. Maybe they'll do the right thing and get it fixed…maybe in under 3 years too….but the queue line looks cool - so the designer is happy.
Hulk is a standard B&M coaster…but its a really good version of one. I don't want one in WDW…but i'd never turn a ride down on it. Something with half the gravity and a lot more theming….based around SOME popular type of movie franchise…would be a spectacular addition to say studios…

Disney just has to start searching for the right property…i'm sure something suitable is out there.
 











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