Mark Barbieri's Disney Trip Thread (All 14 days + slideshow)

My thoughts exactly! I was like "This is Typhoon Lagoon, not South Beach!" My DH seemed to think maybe it was just riding up........but he made sure to give it a second look juuuuuust in case. ;) :lmao:

Hey, she's got the patootie for it. To me, it's only showing too much when there is too much to show. I just wouldn't want to sit in a chair she's been sitting on.

Sadly, I didn't notice it when I took the shot. In fact, I made the comment to my wife after a couple of days at the water parks that I hadn't seen a single thong. Apparently I had and just didn't notice it. That's sad.

Wow great job Mark!! Really liked the wave pool shot. :thumbsup2:thumbsup2

Did you bring your dslr to TL or just the pns??

For the water parks, we just took the Canon G9 in it's waterproof case and the Pentax W30. We left the DSLR in the van.
 
This was one of my first "dark ride" shots of the trip. It was ISO 6,400, 1/60s, f/1.8, 50mm. I shot in aperture priority and told it to underexpose by 1/3 stop. I'll give more details of my dark ride shooting techniques in an upcoming How To Shoot: Dark Rides thread.

Though I've appreciated, and even used, some of your tips for dark ride photos...the biggest problem for most of us in following your dark ride tips is what is bound to be tip #1: Get a full frame camera that can shoot at ISO6400 cleanly even when underexposed! :)
 
OT here - Mark, we have friends who live in the Woodlands. I got to go visit them last October. You live in a fantastically beautiful community! I WISH more of those would spring up around the US.

ok - bring on more pictures.........
 

Though I've appreciated, and even used, some of your tips for dark ride photos...the biggest problem for most of us in following your dark ride tips is what is bound to be tip #1: Get a full frame camera that can shoot at ISO6400 cleanly even when underexposed! :)

Hey, I was using probably the cheapest OEM lens on the market today - the Canon 50mm f/1.8. Seriously, I agree that Dark Ride shooting is going to have a much narrower audience than the other How To threads. People with varying low-light capable cameras will still be able to use the concepts, but what constitutes a "dark ride" will vary. My techniques worked well enough for the HM and PotC using a 5DM2. They couldn't produce useful results for places like RR or SM. People with other cameras may use the concepts to get shots on rides like IaSW or tGMR. "Dark" is relative to capabilities of the camera.

OT here - Mark, we have friends who live in the Woodlands. I got to go visit them last October. You live in a fantastically beautiful community! I WISH more of those would spring up around the US.

We've been happy in The Woodlands. We're espcecially glad that we'll be able to incorporate into our own city rather than get swallowed up by Houston. I've got nothing against the city of Houston, but I like more local control. I really enjoy being able to bike to work along wooded trails, take my family to a dozen different pools, and just enjoy this hybrid of suburbs, big city urban areas, and small town feel. It works well.
 
We've been happy in The Woodlands. We're espcecially glad that we'll be able to incorporate into our own city rather than get swallowed up by Houston. I've got nothing against the city of Houston, but I like more local control. I really enjoy being able to bike to work along wooded trails, take my family to a dozen different pools, and just enjoy this hybrid of suburbs, big city urban areas, and small town feel. It works well.

You sound exactly like my girlfriend. Those were almost the exact words out of her mouth about the town :rotfl:. They took us to eat at Grotto - ever been there? I'm sure you have, it was delicious. Their last name is Shirah, what are the odds you know them? They have 2 boys that look to be about the age of yours.
 
This first shot is my oldest son, who likes to get up early. He's sitting around the camp playing with his new iPod Touch waiting for his mother to get breakfast ready.

1/25s, f/1.8, ISO 3200, 50mm, -1 EV
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Our main park for the day was the Disney Hollywood Studios. Whatever happened to the MGM name?

We'd been warned in advance that we needed to hit Toy Story Midway Mania as quickly as possible. We raced there right after opening. We got fast passes and went on the ride first thing.

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A big part of the success of our trip came from exploiting the Fast Pass system as much as possible. A few key facts aren't universally understood. First, when you get a Fast Pass, it gives a time range. You can ignore the return time. We returned several hours after the return time and were never questioned about it. So if your Fast Pass says that you can ride between 10:00 AM and 11:00 AM, it really means that you can ride any time after 10:00 AM. The next trick is that you can get another Fast Pass as soon as your first Fast Pass's starting time arrives. So using the example above, you could get another Fast Pass at 10:00 AM, even if you haven't used the first one. Our technique was to collect Fast Passes all morning and start using them in the afternoon when it was hotter and we were less interested in waiting in line. To make this as optimal as possible, we tried to get the Fast Passes with the longest delay between acquisition and first use time first and get the less important Fast Passes later. If you try to get a Midway Mania Fast Pass at 10:00 AM, it will be the last Fast Pass you'll get until 4:00 PM.

The new ride is a lot of fun. It's similar in style to the Buzz Lightyear ride in the Magic Kingdom. It heavily rewards people that can sustain a high firing rate. Surprisingly, my younger son beat his bigger brother every time.

Here's a shot you won't see unless you are an early morning person - empty queue space. 1/24s, f/4.0, ISO 2000, 35mm
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1/40s, f/4.0, ISO 500, 35mm
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I don't have any pictures from the ride itself. It's a mostly images on 3D screens, so it wouldn't photograph well. Also, I was busy insuring that I outscored my wife and kids, so I didn't have time to fiddle with my camera gear. My typical score was in the 150,000 to 180,000 range. I do have some shots on later days of the ride cars if you are curious as to what they look like. The one thing that I didn't like about the ride is that our group of four was always in one car. That meant that two of us were behind the other two and couldn't really interact on the ride.

The Tower of Terror is a favorite for everyone in our family. I love the theming. We always avoided waiting in long lines, but I was tempted to go when the lines were longer just so that I'd have more time to shoot the exterior gardens.

1/100s, f/4, ISO 500, 105mm
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I took more interior shots this time. Here are two different interprations of a display case in the waiting area. The first focuses on it more as a display case and the other focuses more on the contents. I also used different white balances on the two because I liked the different feels they gave.

1/20s, f/4.0, ISO 2500, 24mm
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1/25s, f/4, ISO 2000, 24mm
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You'll notice that a lot of shots are at f/4. I opted to use the Canon 24-105 f/4 IS lens as my main walk-around lens. I decided that the extra range, lighter weight, and IS were more valuable to me than the extra speed of the 24-70 f/2.8. At home, I almost always make the other choice. This was my first extensive use of the 24-105. Overall, I like the lens, but it does have nasty barrel distortion at the wide end.

I don't know what this stuff is supposed to be. It's from the shelf in the TV room on the ride.
1/10s, f/4, ISO 6400, 105mm
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I already have decent shots of the ghosts from prior trips, but I think this was my first with the lightning/eletricity.

1/40s, f4, ISO 6400, 85mm
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We tried to sneak my 7 year old (who is 46" tall) onto the Rockin' Roller Coaster. We even went so far as to buy him 2" tall sandals. Sadly, they were noticed on the way in and he wasn't allowed to ride. If you really, really want to get Fast Pass aggressive and you have a too small child, you can use this trick to exploit the system. To enable child swapping, they gave us a Fast Pass good for up to three people when they rejected my younger son. We could have bailed out of line and then used the Fast Pass instead. That seemed a little to exploitive for my relatively low standards, so we didn't go that route. My older son and wife dutifully waited in line while my younger son and I had some snacks.


The Great Movie Ride is a good example of a relatively bright "dark" ride. It's much easier to shoot than PotC, HM, or PP. It seems like just about everyone has at least one shot of John Wayne from the ride. I shot this one at ISO 6400, which was overkill. It would have made more sense to use a 1/30s shutter speed at ISO 1600. There were other, dark areas on the ride that I wanted to shoot at ISO 6400 and I didn't bother switching.

1/125s, f/4.0, ISO 6400, 75mm
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1/15s, f/2.8, ISO 3200, 200mm
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1/125s, f/4.0, ISO 6400, 75mm
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You'll notice that, despite my camera having an ISO 12,800 and 25,600 mode, I never use them. In my experience a shot taken at ISO 12,800 looks identical to one taken at ISO 6,400 with a -1 exposure compensation and then brightened in post production. I see no downside to shooting at 6,400 -1 rather than 12,800 and the upside is that I have more headroom before I blow out highlights. My friend with a Nikon D3 reports the same appears to be true with his camera as well.


The kids love to play in the Honey I Shrunk the Playground area. It's a fun place, but it is awful for photography.

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I wonder if I can pass this off as a "macro" shot? 1/125, f/3.5, ISO 100, 78mm
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Here's a shot of me ant wrangling. We have real ants that are almost this big back in Texas. They aren't scary. It's the tiny little fire ants that you learn to watch out for. You can see my equipment belt in this picture. It was my primary means for carrying gear in the park. I usually wore one or two lens pouches and one or two pouches for random gear (filters, phones, etc). 1/125s, f/4, ISO 100, 70mm
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You see ISO levels all across the map in my shots. I usually left the camera on auto ISO. In fact, I probably took half or more of my shots in Program mode. I often overrode the settings that it picked, but it was good for when I was shooting on the run and not that concerned.

Much to my kid's regret, I love the Voyage of the Little Mermaid show. I think it is a great mutli-media show. The lighting is great for stage effects but not for photography. I've yet to walk away with pictures that I'm excited about, but I still shoot it anyway.

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Incidentally, I started shooting sign pictures because I thought they would be useful for my slideshows (introducing new areas). Tipped off by a scrapbooker, I posted a thread over in the scrapbook forum filled with sign pictures. The people over there loved them. If you've got pictures that scrapbookers would like, I encourage you to stop by that forum and share them. I plan to start a pictures from dark rides thread over there soon to help those scrappers without dark ride capable gear fill those holes in their books.

1/50s, f/2.8, ISO 6400, 160mm
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Ariel is the prettiest of the Disney princesses. 1/160s, f/4.0, ISO 1600, 70mm
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I love the laser/fog affect. 1/20s, f/2.8, ISO 3200, 95mm
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My kids were worn out at the end of day 3, so I left them with my wife and headed over to the Magic Kingdom for some solo photography. It was one of two solo trips to Magic Kingdom during the trip. Neither was particularly successful. I couldn't believe how crowded the park was at night.

I'm not much for castle/hat/ball/tree shots, but I felt compelled to take a few. I'm not sure why, but they've never interested me as photographic subjects. I guess at WDW I tend to be more interested in the little things rather than the big things.
1/6, f8, ISO 100, 24mm - tripod, blue/gold polarizer to warm the water
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Another traditional shot in the WDW photographer's canon is shot of Cinderella carefully positioned so that the crown appears on her head. 1/5s, f/8.0, ISO 100, 40mm
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I had to wait 30 minutes to get into the Haunted Mansion. It was busy. 1/60s, f/5.6, ISO 800, 45mm
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A headless picture picture. 1/30s, f/1.8, ISO 6400, 50mm
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Here's the shot I got of the caretaker on the ride. The ride happened to stop right in front of him. I braced myself against the car and fired off a few different shots at different settings before we started moving again. 3/10s, f/1.8, ISO 6400, 50mm

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Here's the shot I got of the caretaker on the ride. The ride happened to stop right in front of him. I braced myself against the car and fired off a few different shots at different settings before we started moving again. 3/10s, f/1.8, ISO 6400, 50mm

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Great day 3 pix! . Wow, you captured the caretaker :worship::worship::worship: (whether or not the ride stopped... you nailed it).

I've been trying to wrap my little brain around that concept of employing EV-1 and lowering the ISO to 6400 from 12800 on dark rides to give myself headroom for adjustment in PP. I believe it works just from looking at your shots in the HM and I understand the concept of exposure compensation, but what I don't understand from a theory standpoint is that if you underexpose by 1 stop (i.e. if your ISO is set to 6400 and you dial back exposure comp 1 stop), wouldn't that effectively be the same as shooting at ISO 3200? It's clearly not, but I just can't understand why. So, I just accept the theory that if you shoot at ISO6400, EV-1, and boost exposure comp 1 stop in PP, you're still achieving an equivalent ISO of 12800. Whew! :sick: It reminds me of that explanation of time travel that Doc Brown explains to Marty McFly in Back to the Future about "skipping over that minute to arrive at this minute in time."
 
Excellent photos, Mark, and a good report. I especially enjoyed the shots from the water park, a seldom-seen venue!

Summer is a tough time to be serious about photography at WDW, considering crowds and heat. It really makes you think long and hard about just how much gear you want to lug around all day. We've been there in July a few times and found that it's pretty much mandatory to (a) arrive at the park early, (b) take a mid-day break, and (c) return to the park in the late afternoon, when we're refreshed and the late-risers are headed back to the room, hot and crabby.

Thanks for sharing. Great work, as usual.

~Ed
 
Great photos Mark! I especially like the Caretaker; probably the best photo I've seen of him.

I guess I never realized before that you're in the Woodlands. We're down in Pearland.
 
I'm not sure what I am more impressed by- the Caretaker at 50mm & 3/10s or the GMR 200mm at 1/15s. You must have some rock steady hands. Fine work throughout- I am enjoying the report. :thumbsup2
 
Great day 2 pix! . Wow, you captured the caretaker :worship::worship::worship: (whether or not the ride stopped... you nailed it).

I've been trying to wrap my little brain around that concept of employing EV-1 and lowering the ISO to 6400 from 12800 on dark rides to give myself headroom for adjustment in PP. I believe it works just from looking at your shots in the HM and I understand the concept of exposure compensation, but what I don't understand from a theory standpoint is that if you underexpose by 1 stop (i.e. if your ISO is set to 6400 and you dial back exposure comp 1 stop), wouldn't that effectively be the same as shooting at ISO 3200? It's clearly not, but I just can't understand why. So, I just accept the theory that if you shoot at ISO6400, EV-1, and boost exposure comp 1 stop in PP, you're still achieving an equivalent ISO of 12800. Whew! :sick: It reminds me of that explanation of time travel that Doc Brown explains to Marty McFly in Back to the Future about "skipping over that minute to arrive at this minute in time."


Sorry, I wasn't explaining it well.

First, let's assume that the scene is lit so that a workable exposure would be 1/30s seconds at f/1.8 with an ISO of 12,800. If you change the ISO to 6,400, you'll underexpose by 1 stop. You can compensate by lengthening your shutter speed or widening your aperture, but that's not what you want. You want that shutter speed and aperture, but you don't want the ISO 12,800 noise. Instead, let the camera underexpose by 1 stop by dialing in the -1 EV exposure compensation. Now you get the same shutter speed and aperture that you would have gotten with the higher ISO. When you post process the picture, you can compensate by increasing the exposure level there.

The reason this is useful is that, in my experience, the picture is no more noisy shooting at 6,400 and increasing the exposure in post production than it is shooting at the proper exposure with ISO 12,800 (or 25,600). The advantage you gain with the technique is that you can control how much to increase the exposure later. If you don't need it increased by a full stop, you'll save some noise. Also, if you would have blown a highlight at 12,800, you can manage your post processing to preserve the highlight.

In my Canon experience, their extended ISO levels (12,800 and 25,600 on my 5DM2, 3200 on my 1D) are handled differently by the camera than the normal ISO levels. If I shoot at 1600 and -1 EV on my 5D and then boost the exposure to 3200 in post production, I get much more noise than if I'd shot natively at 3200. That isn't the case for the extended ISO levels. It seems as though Canon hasn't implemented the extended ISO levels with a hardware signal amplification, but has instead just increased the signal values in software (essentially doing it in post production).
 
Sorry, I wasn't explaining it well.

First, let's assume that the scene is lit so that a workable exposure would be 1/30s seconds at f/1.8 with an ISO of 12,800. If you change the ISO to 6,400, you'll underexpose by 1 stop. You can compensate by lengthening your shutter speed or widening your aperture, but that's not what you want. You want that shutter speed and aperture, but you don't want the ISO 12,800 noise. Instead, let the camera underexpose by 1 stop by dialing in the -1 EV exposure compensation. Now you get the same shutter speed and aperture that you would have gotten with the higher ISO. When you post process the picture, you can compensate by increasing the exposure level there.

The reason this is useful is that, in my experience, the picture is no more noisy shooting at 6,400 and increasing the exposure in post production than it is shooting at the proper exposure with ISO 12,800 (or 25,600). The advantage you gain with the technique is that you can control how much to increase the exposure later. If you don't need it increased by a full stop, you'll save some noise. Also, if you would have blown a highlight at 12,800, you can manage your post processing to preserve the highlight.

In my Canon experience, their extended ISO levels (12,800 and 25,600 on my 5DM2, 3200 on my 1D) are handled differently by the camera than the normal ISO levels. If I shoot at 1600 and -1 EV on my 5D and then boost the exposure to 3200 in post production, I get much more noise than if I'd shot natively at 3200. That isn't the case for the extended ISO levels. It seems as though Canon hasn't implemented the extended ISO levels with a hardware signal amplification, but has instead just increased the signal values in software (essentially doing it in post production).

Thanks for explaining it further, Mark. This does make perfect sense.
 
On Day 4, we decided to take a theme park break and head to the beach. We drove out to Cocoa Beach. The waves were smaller than expected. I'm not sure if it was a calm day or my perception of wave heights has changed since 1971 (the last time I played in the water here).

First, I set up our shade cover. It's a Parawing. We use it a lot on beach and canoe outings. I like it because it is relatively light and compact and it holds up in 50mph winds if you set it up right. The boys are up front making sand canon balls. I'm the fat blob sitting in the shade. You might also notice that our chairs have built in shade covers. Living in Texas, we've learned that you can never have enough shade.

These beech pictures were all taken with a Canon G9 in a waterproof shell. I don't have the guts to expose my 5DM2 to the sand and sea yet. My 1DM2 survived lots of beach trips, but it was a significantly more rugged camera.

1/1250, f/4, ISO 80
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There's my wife and I think one of my kids getting slammed by a wave. ISO 80, 1/1250s, f/4
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There's the crew trying to body surf. Dad's the master surfer. The rest of them are just amateurs. 1/1250s, f/4.5, ISO 80.
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That's me. 1/1250s, f/4, ISO 80
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The rest of the beach pictures are here.
 
Those pics look like you had a lot of fun... Probably a lot more relaxing than extremely crowded parks...
 
Our next stop was visit to Disney Quest. For those not familiar with it, it is sort of a mega-arcade on the Cirque De Soleil side of Downtown Disney. They once had one in Chicago, but it didn't survive. I'm not sure how much longer this one will last. The kids had fun, but they didn't have any interest in going back.

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Here is a shot of me and the boys getting read for the Aladdin attraction. Those things on are head are the washable parts of the VR helmets. They snap to electronic parts on when you sit down that the machine. 1/10, f/1.8, ISO 3200
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Here is my older son at the controls of his "flying carpet." 1/40, f/1.8, ISO 3200
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We have a long history with this attraction. Back in January of 1995 (I think), they had it set up as a prototype next to Innoventions in Epcot. They had four machines set up and they would pick four people out of the audience of roughly 50 to 100 people. Those four would play the game while they talked about the technology. Surprisingly, the game was much better back then that it is today, despite more than a decade of computer advancement. In the original, you flew freely over the city in search of a scarab. In the new one, you are primarily constrained to a few paths. The aural affects are also greatly diminished.

I "rode" the original attraction several times. As a child, I discovered that I had the "pick me" look. When they want to pick a few people out of a crowd, I almost always seem to get picked. My poor brother tried three times and wasn't picked. I finally had to go with him and when they inevitably picked me, I asked them to use my brother instead.

Now I'm wondering whether I could rig up some 3D glasses, a few Wii remotes, and a hacked version of Quake......hmmm.

The kids didn't enjoy the major attractions much. They mostly liked the video games. We have a MAME setup at home with a dedicated controller, so they've played more video games than I ever did. What they enjoyed were the weird games. They loved the simulated jump rope. 1/20, f/1.8, ISO 500, 50mm.
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They also liked the boxing. 1/13s, f/1.8, iSO 3200
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I played my older son in several rounds of some Kung Fu game. He whipped me every time. Stupid game. I hate losing.

The rest of the pictures from Disney Quest are here.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention that I got shut down by a CM on day one. I was in It's A Bug's Life. They clearly said no flash photography. I turned off my review screen so that I wouldn't bother anyone. I then started firing a few shots at Flick when he appeared in the ceiling. A CM came up to me and told me that photography was prohibited during the show. The ninny. I put my camera away and waited until later in the week to shoot it again. It's not a photogenic show, but I hate it when the CM's screw up and tell you not to shoot when the rules allow it. And for the record, I was on the far right end of my row and was not blocking anyone's view.
 
There have been some threads on here recently about panning to give a motion blur to the background. That's easy to do on fast rides. In this case, I set the camera on shutter priority and told it to use a 1/125s shutter speed. The background was close and fast, so I didn't need a long shutter speed to get the blur. The reset of the EXIF was f/5.6, ISO 200, 17mm focal length.

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I like this !
this summer I've have to look for some motion blur / panning opportunities
 

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