Marathon Weekend 2022

[jrsharp21]

I bring sunglasses and perch them on top of my head.

This is what I was thinking about yesterday when I was on my run. In the past I haven't worn sunglasses in a competitive run. I do wear them out on my training runs. But I figured that I should take them out for the full marathon as the sun will be out for the last half of the race. I was trying to think of a good way to hook them from my run belt without them swinging around. I couldn't come up with a solution, so I guess on top of the head it is.

 

[Tall Todd]

It was 35 degrees when I woke up in Dallas -- big fat pile of NOPE -- but by midday it had warmed to 50 or so. I made it 20 miles (my longest run ever!) in 4:50:55 (I am very slow!). Spent the last 5 miles daydreaming about sushi.

Glad you got the run in. What're you going to do on race day if the temperature is similar or lower?

 

[steph0808]

For packing, I've decided lighter is better for the marathon.

I have a sports bra with a pocket in the back for my phone.
I wear a running belt - it holds the 5 packs of sport beans that I need plus has an 8-oz water bottle attached.

That's it for the WDW Marathon. I'll get extra water on course instead of wearing another bottle on my belt. I'll probably wear my magic band for my room key.

I'll put anything else I might need in my drop bag - warm/dry clothes, if necessary.

 

[Herding_Cats]

I desperately don't want to cover my costume with my vest. I paid too much for the shirts to cover them.

If it's warm-to-hot weather my shorts have 2 pockets, and I have a SPI belt. I *think* I would put my phone in one pocket, a gel in the other. and stuff all the remaining gels/fuels in the SPI belt. As a 6ish hour marathoner, this is going to be quite a few things. Probably a combination of almond butter packets, gu, and possibly a stroopwaffle....although that might be my start corral fuel item.

If it's cold my leggings only have ONE pocket. So the SPI belt will be even more stuffed. I know they make one with gel loops, but I'm pretty hesitant to keep spending money unless there's a super cheap used one on some resell site.

 

[Cabius]

Glad you got the run in. What're you going to do on race day if the temperature is similar or lower?

If it's race day I'll go with it, with a few layer options. (As a bald guy, a knit hat makes a huge difference!)

I mostly stayed in yesterday morning because I knew it would be warmer later in the day. Otherwise I would have gone. Freezing temperatures suck when you're lying in your warm bed, but they aren't bad once you're actually running!

I've gone out at 38°F in shorts. Couldn't feel my hands or face, but kept on running. My temperature preference is 45-65, and if it's lower than that I'll layer sweatpants or switch to a long-sleeve shirt. I'm honestly much more worried about the high temps of 2020, for which my remediation plan mostly revolves around ice and prayer.

 

[The Expert]

If it's cold my leggings only have ONE pocket. So the SPI belt will be even more stuffed. I know they make one with gel loops, but I'm pretty hesitant to keep spending money unless there's a super cheap used one on some resell site.

What about shorts over leggings, just for the pockets? I've done this with running skirts that have attached shorts.

 

[Herding_Cats]

What about shorts over leggings, just for the pockets? I've done this with running skirts that have attached shorts.

That is an option I hadn't really thought of, mostly because laying *that much* seems like it would be pretty hot. I actually prefer the pocket on the leggings because it's narrower and deeper and I feel like things won't work their way out and get lost like they might with the shorts. Definitely worth consideration if it's going to be freezing though.

 

[Kercules]

Hello new here,

took the liberty of overlaying the 2020 USAFT course with the course that appeared in the event guide.

It seems the 2020 and 2022 courses are the same.

How would I share that here?

Are they now keeping the coral assignments a secret until the last minute?

 

[shellott-hill]

SAFD:

Justified -

• runDisney registration and races

Not-Justified -

• Genie+ and Lightening Lane purchases. This leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I am already shelling on hundreds of dollars a day to get into the parks and now you want me to pay on top of that to attend certain attractions.
• Staying on property. I do not see the advantage of doing this anymore. I can stay off property, save hundreds of $ per night and use that money elsewhere.
• Park Tickets + Park Hopper. These have always been a hard pill to swallow, but now it has become ridiculous. We are paying more for tickets and getting less. All of the attractions are not back in the parks, the wait times have increased, the park hours have been shortened, and the quality of food is heading down hill.

I am toying with the idea of signing up for runDisney next year and not doing anything else with Disney. I am thinking of staying over at Universal and spending my time in the parks over there. Things have got to get better if I am to continue to throw my money at Disney after MW 2022.

 

[RunWI1265]

It's an incredibly difficult question to answer, but I would look at it this way. If you see the merch preview and see something highly desirable, I would bet other people are going to see it as highly desirable as well. So it's unlikely to be there a few hours after the merch area opens. Things tend to sell pretty quick. My Dopey 2015 soft Champion track jacket was sold out in less than an hr based on memory. It was highly desirable because the back said, "Eat, Run, Sleep, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat". Your absolute best bet is to see if a kind soul here will offer to buy you something sight unseen in person (but you see in merch preview) if they're headed to the expo early. I've done that for several different people on some of my trips, but I'm not at MW 2022.

Thanks for the input! Sounds like being there in the morning is important. Thinking about flying in Tuesday night instead now.

 

[matt and beth]

Everyone was talking previously about heat in 2020. Living in the upper Midwest decided I would run my long runs underneath the heat vent on the treadmill (70s with no breeze) to be prepared. Now everyone has me worried about be acclimated to cold temps. Now having some bad PTSD flashbacks of a trail marathon in 6” of snow.

 

[camaker]

Hello new here,

took the liberty of overlaying the 2020 USAFT course with the course that appeared in the event guide.

It seems the 2020 and 2022 courses are the same.

How would I share that here?

Are they now keeping the coral assignments a secret until the last minute?

There is no bib number table for corral assignments like there used to be. At Wine & Dine we didn’t find out our starting groups until we picked up our bibs at the Expo. It was possible to get a rough estimate of starting group based on the bib number provided on the electronic Expo pass after crowdsourcing and correlating the bib numbers with PoT or estimated finish times.

 

[Kercules]

There is no bib number table for corral assignments like there used to be. At Wine & Dine we didn’t find out our starting groups until we picked up our bibs at the Expo. It was possible to get a rough estimate of starting group based on the bib number provided on the electronic Expo pass after crowdsourcing and correlating the bib numbers with PoT or estimated finish times.

Thanks,

 

[luv2cheer92]

How was the weekend run for other Midwest runners?My wife and I were scheduled for a 12-miler to get ready for the Half Marathon. We knew we had some rough seas ahead, matey. Looking at the forecast, the temperature was scheduled to drop from 62 to 40 in about 3 hours.

We had (what we thought was) a good plan and planned a loop that should have brought us home long before the temps dropped. We stashed lots of extra layer that we could put on as we passed home. I started off with just a t-shirt and shorts, and I was sweating with temps over 60 and high humidity. Unfortunately, the weather SMASHED in about an hour earlier than expected, and we were running directly into 30+ mph winds and wind chills in the mid-40's. We shivered our way home, took a 10 minute warm up, and headed back out much better attired. Even so, we were Mostly Dead and called it a day at 10 miles, when wind chills were about 30. Whew!

Anyone else as foolish and unlucky as I was?

I know wind makes a difference, and I had a good bit of that on Sunday too. But 35-40 is absolutely perfect running temps.

35 I might wear long sleeves, but 40 is short sleeves for sure.

Wind chill was 28 when I started my run on Sunday and I was too warm with long sleeves and a thin jacket over top, quickly shed that top layer.

 

[Kerry1957]

I've been training on 90/30 as well. Is it common to cut the run interval a bit, for the actual marathon? Does that help you get across the finish line? I'll take any tips I can get for my first!

@DopeyBadger can weigh in with a more nuanced response, but to me the answer is....it all depends. My easy / long run training pace is a bit slower than my "A" race marathon pace, so if I want to PR the day I would increase the running interval a bit and keep the 30 second walk time. But....at my age and current fitness level marathons are not an "A" race and my goal is just to finish upright and enjoy the experience. Given that, the last couple of marathons I have decreased the run interval a bit from my training pace while keeping the 30 second walk time.

 

[Mr_Incr3dible]

SAFD:

Justified -

• runDisney registration and races

Not-Justified -

• Genie+ and Lightening Lane purchases. This leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I am already shelling on hundreds of dollars a day to get into the parks and now you want me to pay on top of that to attend certain attractions.
• Staying on property. I do not see the advantage of doing this anymore. I can stay off property, save hundreds of $ per night and use that money elsewhere.
• Park Tickets + Park Hopper. These have always been a hard pill to swallow, but now it has become ridiculous. We are paying more for tickets and getting less. All of the attractions are not back in the parks, the wait times have increased, the park hours have been shortened, and the quality of food is heading down hill.

I am toying with the idea of signing up for runDisney next year and not doing anything else with Disney. I am thinking of staying over at Universal and spending my time in the parks over there. Things have got to get better if I am to continue to throw my money at Disney after MW 2022.

Amen to pretty much everything you said.

 

[Mr_Incr3dible]

Everyone was talking previously about heat in 2020. Living in the upper Midwest decided I would run my long runs underneath the heat vent on the treadmill (70s with no breeze) to be prepared. Now everyone has me worried about be acclimated to cold temps. Now having some bad PTSD flashbacks of a trail marathon in 6” of snow.

Cheap sweatshirts from Walmart (that you can toss after warming up) are your friend.

 

[FFigawi]

This is what I was thinking about yesterday when I was on my run. In the past I haven't worn sunglasses in a competitive run. I do wear them out on my training runs. But I figured that I should take them out for the full marathon as the sun will be out for the last half of the race. I was trying to think of a good way to hook them from my run belt without them swinging around. I couldn't come up with a solution, so I guess on top of the head it is.

Hooking them on the collar of your shirt hanging down your back is a good place to keep sunglasses before you need them too.

 

[Herding_Cats]

Will i massively regret *not* wearing a hat/visor for the full? Have sunglasses, but just realized I haven't planned for a visor.

 

[DopeyBadger]

I've been training on 90/30 as well. Is it common to cut the run interval a bit, for the actual marathon? Does that help you get across the finish line? I'll take any tips I can get for my first!

@DopeyBadger can weigh in with a more nuanced response, but to me the answer is....it all depends. My easy / long run training pace is a bit slower than my "A" race marathon pace, so if I want to PR the day I would increase the running interval a bit and keep the 30 second walk time. But....at my age and current fitness level marathons are not an "A" race and my goal is just to finish upright and enjoy the experience. Given that, the last couple of marathons I have decreased the run interval a bit from my training pace while keeping the 30 second walk time.

I'll use an example of a 2:30 HM/ 5:12 M runner with an 18 min/mile comfortable walking pace.



The calculator I designed is a mixture of Galloway with Daniels. It proposes two options: A - Slow run, long duration, and B - Fast run, short duration. The comfortable walking pace plays a role here as well. Not everyone has the same comfortable walking pace. I know some runners whose walking pace is around a 16 min/mile, and someone like me who is closer to 21-22 min/mile. If we were both to do our comfortable walking pace and the same interval duration, then I'd have to run far faster to make up for my slower walk. With that being said, my calculator suggests an Easy/LR pace of 90/30 using a 13:00/18:00 pace, and the M Tempo can either be 100/30 at 10:53/18:00 or 50/30 at 10:00/18:00. In option A, you're doing 10k/LT pace for 100 seconds and then walking for 30 seconds. In Option B, you're doing 3k pace for 50 seconds and then walking for 30 seconds. So the answer is, you can go either direction. Some runners are better at fast/short and others at slow/long.

For completeness, here is Galloway's recommendation from his website:



A 5:12 marathoner has a 13:55 min/mile Easy/LR pace, as my calculator does.



For a 13:55 min/mile, he suggests 30/30, 20/20 or 15/15. For the M Tempo, he suggests 60/30, 40/20, 30/15, 30/30, or 20/20. So from this, it would appear Galloway is more likely to suggest a longer running duration for M Tempo than his typical Easy/LR pace. For me, I tend to suggest a purely aerobic pace for the easy/LR run pace, and thus my run durations tend to be longer than his. Whereas, he schedules a faster/shorter pace/duration for the run segment on the easy/LR workouts.

Lastly, here was the pacer listing from the 2019 WDW Marathon:



For a 5:15 marathon, they used 60/30. So you can see how all of these things line up compared to each other.