Marathon Weekend 2016

No real goal for me other than completing 26.2 miles without dying lol. I'm just excited to be running it and having the experience. I'm looking forward to an adults only trip, even a quick one, so DH can do what we want vs catering to the kiddos.

I've been using a training plan from a book called "Run Like a Mother. " All was going well until about 6 weeks ago when I got a micro tear in my quad. Been doing therapy for the last two weeks and its really making a difference. I had gotten up to 18 miles before the injury, so I was worried about a major set back, but thankfully (knock on wood) I should be okay to keep training and not lose much ground.

Not Dying is a great goal. I have achieved that goal on almost 15,000 consecutive days. I'm glad the therapy is working. It's hard to get up to that kind of base milages then have something go wrong and have to build up again

Kind of hard to pinpoint. Mostly next to the kneecap on the inside side of my leg. Does that make sense?
I have inner knee pain going on right now too. It's an exciting and new type of pain for me. I've It band issues but that runs on the outside of my knee, the Cw-x tights and shorts have done a pretty good job of reducing that. I've also battled patella tendonitis which for me was pain under my knee extending down to the top of my shin. A patella strap helped for that. I've been trying a compression sleeve for the inner knee pain and taking glucosamine and it's a little better but not much.
 
168lbs, 5hrs, 30.4 ml/kg/min

According to the calculator a VO2max of 30.4 is equivalent to a vVO2 of 6.67mph or a 9:00 pace. This means a desired goal of a 5:00 marathon pace (11:27) is 78.6% of your VO2max. Most marathon runners are somewhere between 60%-70% (for you 15:00 min/mile to 12:51 min/mile) but elite runners can take the percentage as high as 85%. So a 5:00 pace is beyond the upper end of normal for your current fitness level, although under really good conditions it may be possible. The calculator is heavily dependent on VO2max which for some people is not the best predictor of actual fitness paces (and previous race finishing times is better). In addition, if your VO2max is off it greatly impacts the calculator. If you had a VO2max of 35 you would be within your desired fitness level for desired pace.

Over the entirety of the marathon you will burn an estimated 3222.2 kcals. Given your pace is 78.6% VO2max, it is estimated that 2370.2 kcals of the 3222.2 total calories burned will come from glucose. Assuming an average female leg muscle mass of 15.3kg (21% of your body weight), you have 1221.8 calories of glucose stored in your leg muscles. This means without tapping into any other source you will have a deficit of 1148.4 calories of glucose. The average person can take an additional 100 kcals of glucose from the liver without putting the body in danger, thus your final deficit total is 1048.4 calories.

This means that either through a carb loading schedule prior to the race, or a nutrition plan during the race you need to consume an extra 1048.4 calories to complete the marathon without hitting the wall at the pace you desire (5:00 marathon) given your current fitness level. This breaks down to 209.7 calories per hour (or 52.4g of carbs per hour) if you decided to only use a nutrition plan during the race. To properly absorb 52.4 g of carbs per hour you would need to consume 26 ounces of water per hour. I would caution that if you haven't practiced taking in 52.4 g of carbs in training that your body might find it as a shock. You are another candidate for a good carb loading training plan as the best way for success with drinking gatorade at each of the aid stations as planned. For me, my favorite carb loading plan is to start it 4 days before the race, carb load for 3 days on complex carbs (for you totaling at least an extra 262 g carbs), and then the day before go back to my normal diet.

I would caution you to be careful with your pace in the beginning of the race. I've found by running by feel I have a better success rate, and in the end if I ignore my time and just enjoy the run it tends to go better. Research also shows that continuing to have positive thoughts during the race can improve your time significantly. The mind controls the body and lets it know whether at the current pace with the remaining mileage if it can maintain, but if the mind believes it can't then it starts to create the message of fatigue and that you need to slow down. My suggestion (and this is how I do it too) is to line up at your desired marathon finishing time (if they have pace marking spots at the beginning). At the start of the race, I let most of the people lined up around me to go past me. Mentally I feel like most people go out too fast, so if people with the same goal as me are passing me in the beginning then I know I must be going slow enough. Then half-way through the race I start to play Pac-Man and try to slowly catch each of those people who have passed me.

Best of Luck and let me know if you have any questions.
 
According to the calculator a VO2max of 30.4 is equivalent to a vVO2 of 6.67mph or a 9:00 pace. This means a desired goal of a 5:00 marathon pace (11:27) is 78.6% of your VO2max. Most marathon runners are somewhere between 60%-70% (for you 15:00 min/mile to 12:51 min/mile) but elite runners can take the percentage as high as 85%. So a 5:00 pace is beyond the upper end of normal for your current fitness level, although under really good conditions it may be possible. The calculator is heavily dependent on VO2max which for some people is not the best predictor of actual fitness paces (and previous race finishing times is better). In addition, if your VO2max is off it greatly impacts the calculator. If you had a VO2max of 35 you would be within your desired fitness level for desired pace.

Over the entirety of the marathon you will burn an estimated 3222.2 kcals. Given your pace is 78.6% VO2max, it is estimated that 2370.2 kcals of the 3222.2 total calories burned will come from glucose. Assuming an average female leg muscle mass of 15.3kg (21% of your body weight), you have 1221.8 calories of glucose stored in your leg muscles. This means without tapping into any other source you will have a deficit of 1148.4 calories of glucose. The average person can take an additional 100 kcals of glucose from the liver without putting the body in danger, thus your final deficit total is 1048.4 calories.

This means that either through a carb loading schedule prior to the race, or a nutrition plan during the race you need to consume an extra 1048.4 calories to complete the marathon without hitting the wall at the pace you desire (5:00 marathon) given your current fitness level. This breaks down to 209.7 calories per hour (or 52.4g of carbs per hour) if you decided to only use a nutrition plan during the race. To properly absorb 52.4 g of carbs per hour you would need to consume 26 ounces of water per hour. I would caution that if you haven't practiced taking in 52.4 g of carbs in training that your body might find it as a shock. You are another candidate for a good carb loading training plan as the best way for success with drinking gatorade at each of the aid stations as planned. For me, my favorite carb loading plan is to start it 4 days before the race, carb load for 3 days on complex carbs (for you totaling at least an extra 262 g carbs), and then the day before go back to my normal diet.

I would caution you to be careful with your pace in the beginning of the race. I've found by running by feel I have a better success rate, and in the end if I ignore my time and just enjoy the run it tends to go better. Research also shows that continuing to have positive thoughts during the race can improve your time significantly. The mind controls the body and lets it know whether at the current pace with the remaining mileage if it can maintain, but if the mind believes it can't then it starts to create the message of fatigue and that you need to slow down. My suggestion (and this is how I do it too) is to line up at your desired marathon finishing time (if they have pace marking spots at the beginning). At the start of the race, I let most of the people lined up around me to go past me. Mentally I feel like most people go out too fast, so if people with the same goal as me are passing me in the beginning then I know I must be going slow enough. Then half-way through the race I start to play Pac-Man and try to slowly catch each of those people who have passed me.

Best of Luck and let me know if you have any questions.

Wow thank you so much for this!

I've just realised I calculated based on another link shared here that didn't check my heart rate, I will double check using the link you sent in case it's any different

http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/racepaces/rp

The 5hr goal is just a rough estimate, in reality my goal is to finish so I definitely won't be pushing myself to get that time. I would much rather run within my fitness level and will be sure to slow my start as you've mentioned. I love the pac-man analogy!

During the run I will be having cliff blocks as that is what I train with. I start with 3 (24g carbs) and then take 2 roughly every 40mins which is about 3 per hour. I keep an energy drink in my running belt that I sip on throughout.

A couple of questions if you can:

1) How does my fueling plan during the race fit with the advice you've given?
2) Assuming I'm fueling approx 24g carbs every hour what should my water consumption be for that? I run in intervals 4:1 and tend to drink water on my walk breaks usually just taking a mouthful

Thanks again!
 
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Haven't tried Pftiz yet, what do you like best about it?

It's a challenging enough plan with just enough miles for me to feel prepared to run a full as well as improving my time. I would like to up my mileage, but other obligations limit the amount of time I have for running. If I can continue to improve my GA pace I will try one of the more aggressive plans because it wont take as long to run the miles.
 
Wow thank you so much for this!

The 5hr goal is just a rough estimate, in reality my goal is to finish so I definitely won't be pushing myself to get that time. I would much rather run within my fitness level and will be sure to slow my start as you've mentioned. I love the pac-man analogy!

During the run I will be having cliff blocks as that is what I train with. I start with 3 (24g carbs) and then take 2 roughly every 40mins which is about 3 per hour. I keep an energy drink in my running belt that I sip on throughout.

A couple of questions if you can:

1) How does my fueling plan during the race fit with the advice you've given?
2) Assuming I'm fueling approx 24g carbs every hour what should my water consumption be for that? I run in intervals 4:1 and tend to drink water on my walk breaks usually just taking a mouthful

Thanks again!

Assuming you decide to do no carb loading prior to the race, then the calculator suggests a 5 hour pace would require 52.4 carbs per hour given your stats. Let's assume you are sipping on gatorade which in 20 ounces has 35 g of carbs. You are planning on consuming 24 g carbs per hour in chews and roughly 7 g carbs per hour in gatorade which means you will run a deficit of 21 carbs per hour or a total deficit of 105 carbs. To make up this deficit, you would need to consume an extra 13 cliff blocks over the entirety of the race. This seems like a significant jump from what you have practiced and wouldn't be advisable. So you have two options: either plan on doing an additional carb loading plan prior to the race to help make up the deficit, or plan on slowing down from the 5 hour goal to match your carb intake. Your proposed 31g carbs per hour at your VO2max level would suggest that your pace would need to be around a 13:42 min/mile (6:00 marathon finish) or 65.2% VO2max to ensure you wouldn't hit the wall and finish with a smile.

To answer the second question, on a good day with low humidity and low heat (40-55 F) the normal absorption of carbs is 2 g carbs per 1 ounce of water. Thus, to properly absorb 24g carbs per hour you would need to consume 12 ounces of water. The catch is the hotter/more humid it gets the more water is necessary for other things (like keeping your core body temp normal) and would require you to drink more water. However, as others have warned, lately people have started to consume too much water and started to dilute the sodium and other minerals in their blood to dangerous levels causing new problems. Personally, I would drink the 12 ounces of water at a minimum and then add additional water when thirsty. For me, I drink 5 ounces of water per mile (roughly 36 ounces per hour), but I also consume 74 g of carbs per hour. These numbers were reached after a lot of practice and through determining that my body sweats a lot and I tend to run hot. I typically stay in shorts and singlet until 40 F.

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions.
 
Assuming you decide to do no carb loading prior to the race, then the calculator suggests a 5 hour pace would require 52.4 carbs per hour given your stats. Let's assume you are sipping on gatorade which in 20 ounces has 35 g of carbs. You are planning on consuming 24 g carbs per hour in chews and roughly 7 g carbs per hour in gatorade which means you will run a deficit of 21 carbs per hour or a total deficit of 105 carbs. To make up this deficit, you would need to consume an extra 13 cliff blocks over the entirety of the race. This seems like a significant jump from what you have practiced and wouldn't be advisable. So you have two options: either plan on doing an additional carb loading plan prior to the race to help make up the deficit, or plan on slowing down from the 5 hour goal to match your carb intake. Your proposed 31g carbs per hour at your VO2max level would suggest that your pace would need to be around a 13:42 min/mile (6:00 marathon finish) or 65.2% VO2max to ensure you wouldn't hit the wall and finish with a smile.

To answer the second question, on a good day with low humidity and low heat (40-55 F) the normal absorption of carbs is 2 g carbs per 1 ounce of water. Thus, to properly absorb 24g carbs per hour you would need to consume 12 ounces of water. The catch is the hotter/more humid it gets the more water is necessary for other things (like keeping your core body temp normal) and would require you to drink more water. However, as others have warned, lately people have started to consume too much water and started to dilute the sodium and other minerals in their blood to dangerous levels causing new problems. Personally, I would drink the 12 ounces of water at a minimum and then add additional water when thirsty. For me, I drink 5 ounces of water per mile (roughly 36 ounces per hour), but I also consume 74 g of carbs per hour. These numbers were reached after a lot of practice and through determining that my body sweats a lot and I tend to run hot. I typically stay in shorts and singlet until 40 F.

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions.


Thanks again, oh yes I plan to carb load prior to the race as appose to trying to consume more during the run itself.

I really appreciate the time you've taken to help me... I feel more confident now in my fueling for Monday. :D
 
What are everyone's training plans and goals for marathon weekend?
I've got a DIY training plan based on a little Galloway, a little Higdon, and a lot of past experience with what my body likes. More or less a 2-week cycle of long runs and cut-backs with 3 & 4 days of running plus yoga, Pilates and ballet.

My 10K goal: a new PR in Fun, taking it easy with lots of stops for pics!
Marathon goal: #1 don't die, #2 finish, #3 have fun. :)
 
New generic rundisney merchandise debuting at wine and dine

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Thanks for posting that. I am not doing Wine & Dine but it gets me excited for what might be available marathon weekend. I also noticed on the disneyparks site that there will be a Minnie Mouse Dinner at Hollywood Studios starting Jan 4th that you can book starting 10/27. It will be like Christmas Minnie dinner but with Hollywood glamour theme. It does not work out for our plans but something folks here may be interested in!

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I need some tips for running in cold weather. In the past I've always gone into hibernation in the winter so I have no cold weather running gear and no experience with long runs in cold weather. So far here in Michigan it's been a pleasant fall, but I know the frigid weather is coming. Any specific clothing you're fond of? Any advice is much appreciated.
 
I need some tips for running in cold weather. In the past I've always gone into hibernation in the winter so I have no cold weather running gear and no experience with long runs in cold weather. So far here in Michigan it's been a pleasant fall, but I know the frigid weather is coming. Any specific clothing you're fond of? Any advice is much appreciated.

I don't run in temps much below 20 but I find I like layers at that temp.

I usually start with a compression shirt and compression shorts as a base layer. I like under armour or c9 for compression gear.

For top I usually put a long sleeve race shirt over the compression shirt and then put on earth a quarter zip or jacket. I have a c9 jacket I like and a bunch of different quarter zips. Nike and north face are my favorite. Look for jackets and 1/4 zips that have a thumb hole and sleeve long enough to cover your palms.

For my head I like most any type of hat

For gloves I've tried head gloves from Costco and Nike gloves. Nike ones seemed to be warmer.

Over the compression shorts I wear cwx tights. If it's really cold I'll wear something over the tights.
 












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