Manners Matter at Sea Article

[fireplug]

The point of my post is that I am tired of people jumping on the bandwagon and complaining about what other people did on THEIR cruise.
As far as "bringing down" the thread I apologize for having a different viewpoint. Maybe I should reword it to read:

Please do not cruise with me unless you intend to "cruise exactly" the way I want you too. My vacation enjoyment is MUCH more important than yours. I will decide whether your clothing is appropriate and if it is not I will ridicule you on a public forum.

Is that "sticking to the flow of the topic " enough or would you like more?

I made NO personal attacks all I did was add my comments. If they are not to your liking OH WELL.


Steve

 

[Cruisin]

fireplug:

 

[DMS_cruisers04]

Please do not cruise with me unless you intend to "cruise exactly" the way I want you too. My vacation enjoyment is MUCH more important than yours. I will decide whether your clothing is appropriate and if it is not I will ridicule you on a public forum.

Nobody is asking anybody to cruise how we WANT them too, it's how we EXPECT them too.

And no one has said that their vacation was more important than anyone else's. But who said "you" don't have to follow the rules and everyone else does.

And if you feel ridiculed on an internet forum, then you must be feeling guilty about how you were dressed, or you wouldn't care.

enough or would you like more?

 

[fireplug]

Bring it on little Mikey,

Sorry but I did dress appropriately for dinner but I did not check whether OTHERS were following the dress code.

Nor did I say I didn't follow any other "rules". I see no "rules" for what to wear in the dining room only "suggestions" If what I am wearing is not exactly as "suggested" then I am somehow detracting from someone elses cruise experience. Therefore I am not up to SOMEONE ELSES expectatioms. It follows then that THEIR vacation is somehow more important then mine. Not a far stretch of the imagination now was it.

The bottom line is worry about yourself and spend less time making sure everyone else is up to your EXPECTATIONS and we all can have a good time on Disney Cruise line!

Steve

 

[rae519]

Originally posted by LG123
Great article in the Sept/Oct 2003 issue of Cruise Travel magizine. Their rules for Good Manners are:

1. Get to the dining room on time.

Unless there is a very VALID reason for being late, it's probably the rudest thing to do. Especially for main seating, since it will delay the preparation of the table for late seating guests.

But then again, you know how some people feel, " I paid SSS for this cruise and can do what I want!"

Rae

 

[Miss Jasmine]

All I know, is that I was not going to waste any of my precious time on the cruise worrying about what everyone else was doing. I followed the rules, DH followed the rules and that is all that mattered to either of us. Fireplug, you made some really great points.

And Rae, you reminded me of one of DH's favorite things to say, I don't care what you call me, but don't call me late for dinner.

 

[DMS_cruisers04]

Okay Stevey, seems like the sandbox is big enough for both of us, so let's do this.

The bottom line is worry about yourself and spend less time making sure everyone else is up to your EXPECTATIONS and we all can have a good time on Disney Cruise line!

Actually, the bottom line is that if that's the way you truly feel, then skip threads like this which you know will have an opinion that differs from yours.
If you can handle the lazy slobs that slosh into dinner and plop down at your table to eat with you, then great. I prefer atleast a small amount of personal pride and decorum.
And yes, people that don't follow the dress code do detract from others cruise experience. The dress code is designed to set a theme for the evening. And everyone should be allowed to experience that without some lazy slob deciding that the dress code was only a "suggestion". When someone looks at it that way, then it's just an excuse.
It's not that someone thinks their cruise is more important than someone elses, but how come that other person thinks their's is, since they can dress however they please, whenever they please. Not too far a stretch in the other direction either, now is it.

Thanks, always love a good debate. Rebuttal?

 

[DisneyGator01]

Despite how anyone feels on the subject, if it was a dress "code" people not abiding by it, would not be let in the door. It's a suggestion, and while yes, it is a suggestion to create an atmosphere to the cruise, no one can be made to wear it. And while it might be a sign of disrespect to fellow passangers, the serving team, and the host, DCL, people are still going to do it, every sailing reguardless.

That being said, I just don't worry about it. I like dressing up, and I want to be respectful of my crew and shipmates, but I can't control what others do. So I have two options:

1) Get upset, focus on it, and let it distract me from my meal and fun

or...

2) Not worry about it, and focus on my dinner, my table mates and getting to know them, and enjoying my wonderful serving team.

I choose the latter because it makes for a better cruise...

When people ask me what to wear, and say.. they don't want to get very dressed up I try to suggest that they make an attempt to dress a little nicer, polo shirts, oxfords, khakis, slacks...Is it formal or semi-formal no...but it's an attempt at least, better then jeans and t-shirts.

Bottom line is it's always going to happen, so I just take it with a grain of salt... Life's to short to worry.. and a cruise (even a 7 day) is DEFINITELY too short to worry

 

[jgalecpa]

My vacation enjoyment is MUCH more important than yours. I will decide whether your clothing is appropriate and if it is not I will ridicule you on a public forum.

To quote George Costanza:

It is all about me. Does that make me selfish?

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by DMS_cruisers04
And if you feel ridiculed on an internet forum, then you must be feeling guilty about how you were dressed, or you wouldn't care.

Brilliant observation DMS_cruisers04!

Isn't it fascinating how much time and energy some people spend defending themselves and their actions on this board. If they were truly comfortable with who they are and/or what they did/do, then why would they need to defend themselves? Plain and simple, they wouldn't. I suspect that these types of defensive actions are meant more to justify their behaviors to themselves rather than anyone else.


I also think it is quite amusing that many people on this board assume that certain individuals do nothing other than concern themselves with how others behave on DCL. In four cruises, I have seen lots of "bad manners" but have only once said something to an individual. And, in all of my trips to WDW, I have probably only said something to an individual once. The latter concerned a man who felt it was quite ok to allow his son to urinate inside of Splash Mountain simply because he "didn't want to get out of line."

Now, according to some, I should have just allowed this without saying a word? I don't think so. If it's someone's right to urinate inside of a building that *I* use too, then it sure is my right to say something about it!

I'm sure some will attack my example as being extreme, and it is. But, it's also a matter of bad manners and it falls on the continuum somewhere.

Personally, someone who wears shorts to dinner doesn't offend me or spoil my cruise. It doesn't go unnoticed and it does reflect on the person. (Not that this should matter to anyone. I mean, who am I? No one other than another guest on DCL. Or does it matter to you? Perhaps, if it does, we need to talk about why it matters?)

 

[Cruisin]

I don't understand why this particular topic always comes down to an argument.
Everyone has their own opinions on all things in life. People are going to express those opinions.
Why can't we just allow people to state those opinions and not attack them for those opinions.
I think as long as you state your opinion and don't attack anyone else personally by doing so, then you yourself should not be attacked for your opinion.
Come on kids, this is Disney, lets try to play nice.

 

[Jeanny]

Originally posted by Cruisin'Kroezes
I don't understand why this particular topic always comes down to an argument.
Everyone has their own opinions on all things in life. People are going to express those opinions.
Why can't we just allow people to state those opinions and not attack them for those opinions.
I think as long as you state your opinion and don't attack anyone else personally by doing so, then you yourself should not be attacked for your opinion.
Come on kids, this is Disney, lets try to play nice.

You're right Cruisin' K... perhaps Steve should visit the Debate board.

 

[fireplug]

I bow to the authorities on the subject, and ask forgiveness. You are all so much more knowledgeable about how the order of things in life should be. I do not know what I was thinking.

I am not sure how someone wearing a nice shirt and khakis to dinner is considered a "lazy slob that sloshes into dinner and plops down" but that must be the case.

Once again I stand in awe of the brilliance of our poster that seem to know that I am wasting my
"time and energy defending themselves and their actions on this board. If they were truly comfortable with who they are and/or what they did/do, then why would they need to defend themselves?"

I knew I should be more comfortable with myself then I wouldn't have to defend my lazy slob self so often.



I should have known that unless my opinion was in line with what others were saying that it would be ridiculed. As for visiting the debate board if you look back I simply stated that those five " RULES" were someone opinion and that I feel differently about them I attacked NO ONE so why should I be told not to open this type of thread? This is an open forum. Why am I not allowed to have input on certain subjects?

OH YEAH THATS RIGHT I " feel ridiculed on an internet forum, then you must be feeling guilty about how you were dressed, or you wouldn't care"
Once again I am shown to be an inferior human unworthy of comment or cognitive thought.

Have your little fun with this one, I will not soil your dainty little screens by posting again

Steve

 

[DMS_cruisers04]

My apologies also.
Steve, I was in no way trying to attack you personally. As I have never met you, I would not assume to do so.
My use of "you" and or "lazy slob" was meant to be a generalization toward people that feel the need to come to dinner in t-shirts, jeans and a pair of nikes, which unfortunately I've seen on a cruise or two.

However, your response to mitcam was, IMO, unnecessarrily strong. And I felt that another strong opinion on the subject was required, so that your's wouldn't just drive people away.
That's all.

 

[dzneprincess]

Originally posted by LG123
Speaking of elevator buttons, DH and I sat on the steps of the lobby on our last cruise and watched how many people would go up to the ALREADY LIT arrow button and push it again. It is very entertaining. That should be a show in itself! Do you think these people think that will make the elevator come faster or do you think the are under the impression that the person who pushed it before them didn't do it right?

You would think the rules would be just common sense. Dh and I were talking about this the other night and decided that they should come up with a National Lampoons Cruise Vacation movie. I can just see cousing Eddy in his tropical shorts, tank top (dirty), black socks and white dress shoes walking into the dining room on formal night with his six pack in hand. I just love those movies!!!

Now that would be FUNNY!

 

[Cruisin]

AAWWW fireplug

Please do not go away.

I find your posts to be very witty and amusing and I would miss you if you left.

Now that BD is not here to provide comic relief, we need someone!!

 

[crisi]

I hope there will always be people who dress inappropriately for dinner. How boring would it be if no one showed up in a leopard print tank top. Or short shorts. Or a Budweiser T-Shirt. Or - perhaps most amusing of all - sandals with black socks. It gives us all something to go back to our rooms and laugh and/or gripe about (whatever gives you the most amusement). And, as it does no harm to laugh behind peoples back - no more harm than it does for them to show up in shorts and a t-shirt in the first place - it would deprive us all of a harmless amusement.

If it weren't this, we'd only have to complain about the sixty year old ladies and sixteen year old girls showing way too much cleavage for their ages. The "is that his daughter or his wife" speculations. The "I can't believe he though a baby blue tux was approprite - how 1976!" rants. The "the guy at the table next to us was sure a loud drunk" complaints. And the "do you suppose those are real" pool side bets.

 

[plutospup]

Ummm, Crisi...are you saying I shouldn't wear my powder blue tux with extra frilly shirt!

People watching is one of my favorite parts of the cruise! So, hopefully, at least a few people will wear "interesting outfits". I'm sure there are times though, when other "people watchers" are looking at me, too!