Major expansion plans for Universal!

[Figment632]

LOL not quite.

Thats funny please explain how they are????

 

[skiingfast]

Thats funny please explain how they are????

Actual numbers shows greater attendance and revenue by Disney. That's why your statement that UNI is now #1 looks stupid.

 

[Figment632]

Actual numbers shows greater attendance and revenue by Disney. That's why your statement that UNI is now #1 looks stupid.

No I'm not debating that what I meant is they are no longer the most innovative in the theme park business I not debating revenue or attendance that would be silly.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

No I'm not debating that what I meant is they are no longer the most innovative in the theme park business I not debating revenue or attendance that would be silly.

I knew what you meant. I agree too.

 

[skiingfast]

No I'm not debating that what I meant is they are no longer the most innovative in the theme park business I not debating revenue or attendance that would be silly.

Unfortunately you a terribly wrong about that too .There exists a measure of companies' innovation. It's called patents. Check it out, instead of posting opinions.

 

[phamton]

Unfortunately you a terribly wrong about that too .There exists a measure of companies' innovation. It's called patents. Check it out, instead of posting opinions.

Whoa! No need to get snippy. This whole board including this particular forum is all about opinions. There is no difference between Figment having an opinion and Mickeyistheman having an opinion. To me, the number of patents does not necessarily mean that some company is the leader in their field. It means they just have more patents.

 

[Figment632]

Unfortunately you a terribly wrong about that too .There exists a measure of companies' innovation. It's called patents. Check it out, instead of posting opinions.

You are so wrong patents mean nothing if you don't use them you are proving my point for me. Name the last innovative attraction Disney built please?

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

You are so wrong patents mean nothing if you don't use them you are proving my point for me. Name the last innovative attraction Disney built please?

Don't mind him. I think he's n MBA. (tounge firmly in cheek).

 

[ChrisFL]

IMO there are so many technologies that are adopted from other companies, or outsourced to other vendors...from both Disney and Universal, it's difficult to say that one is more innovative in the same sense as 20-30 years ago.

Back in the old days, Disney was it's own R&D, they designed and built all of their own attractions, but these days, often they'll adopt other designs and theme around them.

Compare Space Mountain to Rock'n'Roller Coaster for example. Space Mountain was entirely designed and built by Disney, but Rock'n'Roller Coaster is actually an off-the-shelf design by Vekoma. They just enclosed it and put the theme around it.

 

[skiingfast]

Back in the old days, Disney was it's own R&D, they designed and built all of their own attractions, but these days, often they'll adopt other designs and theme around them.

Compare Space Mountain to Rock'n'Roller Coaster for example. Space Mountain was entirely designed and built by Disney, but Rock'n'Roller Coaster is actually an off-the-shelf design by Vekoma. They just enclosed it and put the theme around it.

Not exactly. First steel tube roller coaster was the Matterhorn built in the late fifties. It was designed by Arrow Dynamic, not Disney. This coaster design was again used to make Big Thunder Mountain.

Of course this shouldn't be a surprise, of course this it rarely true anymore and rarely was in complex projects. Apple doesn't make computers or ipods or iphones. Roman coliseum bought rock from a quarry not owned by the munipality building the colisuem. I built a deck, but I didn't forge the screws out of my hand dug iron ore that I made into carbon steel. I didn't hue the logs myself into fine dimensioned planks.

Does Disney do a lot of stuff on it's own? Sure to the point. More so than most people who outsource the design and build of thier properties.

Of course the best that Universal has done was with the help of Disney. The best of their staff was educated at WDI university. One could infer that Universal hasn't alone innovated anything since a shark ride in the studios.

 

[Figment632]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me the last innovative attraction Disney built???

 

[tjkraz]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me the last innovative attraction Disney built???

I posted a list several pages ago.

I'd say the most recent innovation is World of Color which opened at DCA a few weeks before WWoHP.

 

[Figment632]

I posted a list several pages ago.

I'd say the most recent innovation is World of Color which opened at DCA a few weeks before WWoHP.

I'll give you that but is a show not an attraction.

IMO it was Soarin and before that Indy.

 

[tjkraz]

I'll give you that but is a show not an attraction.

IMO it was Soarin and before that Indy.

Seems to me that you have a pretty narrow application of the word "innovation."

Disney's technological innovations are evident in every attraction that they create--both large AND small. US doesn't have anything to compare to the technology used in Turtle Talk or Monster's Inc. They don't have anything like the Kim Possible adventure or World of Color. Disney was the first to combine swift-moving ride vehicles, 3D and an interactive game in Toy Story Mania, not to mention the ability to upgrade and change the attraction over time. American Idol is unprecedented in the theme park industry. Star Tours will re-open in a few months with over 50 different ride combinations available--another first.

Your personal preference for those attractions is irrelevant to a discussion based upon technological merits.

WWoHP is certainly a flashy project, but it's not exactly a frequent occurrence for a theme park to open an entire land. And the scope of the project doesn't mean that it is completely revolutionary.

Disney and Universal have been involved in a game of one-upmanship for years.

Disney creates Buzz Lightyear...US creates MIB...Disney creates TSM.

Disney creates Body Wars/Star Tours....US creates The Simpsons...Disney has Star Tours 2 in development.

US has Jaws...Disney has Backlot Tour....US has Disaster.

They both build off of one another, taking old concepts to new levels.

Twenty years ago, when presented with the development costs of Splash Mountain, Disney CEO Frank Wells said that they couldn't afford NOT to build the attraction. Similarly Universal couldn't afford NOT to build WWoHP. Even with impressive projects like Mummy, RRR and The Simpsons, their market share was eroding. They did the right thing and put a lot of money into that one expansion, tying it to a theme which is clearly cherished by this generation.

But if you think that it's the last word in themed attraction design, or that Disney is now permanently relegated to second place status, you're just fooling yourself.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

What is innovative about World of Color? I hear it is a spectacular show and I'm anxious to see it but what is innovative?

 

[Figment632]

Again you are not understanding what I write. I never said WOC wasn't inovative it is all I said is it's not an attraction/ride it's a show.

 

[tjkraz]

Again you are not understanding what I write. I never said WOC wasn't inovative it is all I said is it's not an attraction/ride it's a show.

I'm not misunderstanding you at all, just pointing out the hypocrisy of picking and choosing which innovations you are willing to acknowledge.

 

[skiingfast]

Again you are not understanding what I write. I never said WOC wasn't inovative it is all I said is it's not an attraction/ride it's a show.

It has attracted over a million viewers to itself.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Again, what is innovative about WOC?

It is wildly successful (which should be a note to Disney about quality vs. cheap), it looks really great but what are the innovations?

 

[skiingfast]

Again, what is innovative about WOC?

It is wildly successful (which should be a note to Disney about quality vs. cheap), it looks really great but what are the innovations?

There was once an incredible water show in Las Vegas. It now looks like a cheap piece of junk because Disney out did it in an incredible way.

Disney fused dozens of entertainment methods together and created something incredible that nobody else had done before. Hence inventing something new.

Kind of like how people wore corrosion resistance metals in all sorts of fanshionable jewelries for thousdands of years. Turns out in a short hundred year period people figured out how to use the same metals to reflect radiation, conduct electricity and reduce pollution. All novel ideas using basic elements that nobody presented in truly useful ways for thousands of years. This is called innovation.