Magic kingdom down to two designated smoking areas

[Slapshot1188]

I actually think this is total BS. people treat smokers like lepars. The exhaust that comes from cars is worse than second hand smoke (in an outdoor environment), but no one would dream of treating drivers the way society treats smokers. Sorry, had to voice my opinion here.

You want to do whatever you like to yourself go right ahead. No issue.

You want to force my kids to breathe in foul smelling cancer causing smoke in a park made for little kids? Yeah that I have a problem with. And no, you don't get to decide how small a dose of cancer smoke is ok for my kids to cough through.

 

[TeresaWen]

The problem is that Disney is rarely very firm about anything when it comes to guests and rules.

That is a huge problem - especially in this case. I choose my vacation destinations using many factors. Smoking is one. I have a very reasonable expectation of what the smoking situation at Disney will be. So do smokers. I do not go to casinos because of the smoke.

I do expect cast members to address violations of the smoking restrictions. I do not expect them to put themselves in danger. After one polite reminder security needs to get involved. This is not a small issue. If smokers cannot comply to the current policy maybe the next step needs to be an all out ban.

And giving a cast member a hard time for reminding a guest about policy is NEVER acceptable.

 

[maxiesmom]

You want to do whatever you like to yourself go right ahead. No issue.

You want to force my kids to breathe in foul smelling cancer causing smoke in a park made for little kids? Yeah that I have a problem with. And no, you don't get to decide how small a dose of cancer smoke is ok for my kids to cough through.

It is easy enough to avoid the smoking areas, look at the map. Problem is they keep removing the smoking areas and more people will walk around smoking. Making smoke impossible to avoid.

 

[maxiesmom]

I do expect cast members to address violations of the smoking restrictions. I do not expect them to put themselves in danger. After one polite reminder security needs to get involved. This is not a small issue. If smokers cannot comply to the current policy maybe the next step needs to be an all out ban.

And giving a cast member a hard time for reminding a guest about policy is NEVER acceptable.

And yet people frequently give cast members a hard time. I have heard people scream at CMs for stupid things, like being told they can't block the sidewalk. Unless Disney hires a massive amount of security just to back up the CMs when they confront guests about breaking policy, not all CMs are going to step forward for even more abuse by constantly confronting guests.

 

[Dan Murphy]

If you go to the Disney site that one is not listed or showing up.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/designated-smoking-areas/

With us knowing how poor Disney's IT is, I could see it as an error on their part. But, maybe they have eliminated the 2nd location inside the park already. The current park maps show 2 locations inside the park, the online map shows just the 1.

 

[Slapshot1188]

Because Disney enables this behavior by not enforcing the rules. Escort a few folks out and people's behavior with change. Making a rule you are afraid to enforce is silly and counter productive as is causes resentment from the rules followers who are 99% of the customers.

 

[maxiesmom]

Because Disney enables this behavior by not enforcing the rules. Escort a few folks out and people's behavior with change. Making a rule you are afraid to enforce is silly and counter productive as is causes resentment from the rules followers who are 99% of the customers.

Because it is easier to ignore the behavior for a few reasons. One, you don't want your CMs to be at risk for some schmuck taking a punch at them. Two, if you tell your CMs to confront guests soon it will be all over the internet that Disney is being mean to their guests. We all know that even the most politely worded request will be blown out of proportion, and soon it will sound like CMs are walking up to guests, ripping cigarettes out of their hands, and smacking their kids to boot. Third, most companies cave when there is a huge number of on-lookers. You also don't want it out there how someone's vacation was ruined and their child scarred for life because they were witness to a lot of ugly confrontations between guests and CMs.

 

[Slapshot1188]

Because it is easier to ignore the behavior for a few reasons. One, you don't want your CMs to be at risk for some schmuck taking a punch at them. Two, if you tell your CMs to confront guests soon it will be all over the internet that Disney is being mean to their guests. We all know that even the most politely worded request will be blown out of proportion, and soon it will sound like CMs are walking up to guests, ripping cigarettes out of their hands, and smacking their kids to boot. Third, most companies cave when there is a huge number of on-lookers. You also don't want it out there how someone's vacation was ruined and their child scarred for life because they were witness to a lot of ugly confrontations between guests and CMs.

The behavior you try to excuse causes the opposite effect. Resentment from those following the rules which is the overwhelming majority.

 

[AtlantaDisneyDreamer]

Because it is easier to ignore the behavior for a few reasons. One, you don't want your CMs to be at risk for some schmuck taking a punch at them. Two, if you tell your CMs to confront guests soon it will be all over the internet that Disney is being mean to their guests. We all know that even the most politely worded request will be blown out of proportion, and soon it will sound like CMs are walking up to guests, ripping cigarettes out of their hands, and smacking their kids to boot. Third, most companies cave when there is a huge number of on-lookers. You also don't want it out there how someone's vacation was ruined and their child scarred for life because they were witness to a lot of ugly confrontations between guests and CMs.

Maybe that is why they rarely asked guests to get out of the lakes they were not supposed to be in.

Having worked in both federal law enforcement and public education and as a parent, I have noticed that having rules you choose not to enforce rarely leads to positive results.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I actually think this is total BS. people treat smokers like lepars. The exhaust that comes from cars is worse than second hand smoke (in an outdoor environment), but no one would dream of treating drivers the way society treats smokers. Sorry, had to voice my opinion here.

If a car was idling right in Adventurland for us to breathe in the exhaust, pretty sure I'd complain.

 

[ChasingLeslie]

Two, if you tell your CMs to confront guests soon it will be all over the internet that Disney is being mean to their guests. We all know that even the most politely worded request will be blown out of proportion, and soon it will sound like CMs are walking up to guests, ripping cigarettes out of their hands, and smacking their kids to boot. Third, most companies cave when there is a huge number of on-lookers. You also don't want it out there how someone's vacation was ruined and their child scarred for life because they were witness to a lot of ugly confrontations between guests and CMs.

Dress the security up as Ruffians from Tangled. Onlookers will think they are getting a show and cheer as rule-breakers are tossed.

 

[Slapshot1188]

Maybe that is why they rarely asked guests to get out of the lakes they were not supposed to be in.

Having worked in both federal law enforcement and public education and as a parent, I have noticed that having rules you choose not to enforce rarely leads to positive results.

Exactly...

 

[maxiesmom]

The behavior you try to excuse causes the opposite effect. Resentment from those following the rules which is the overwhelming majority.

So they are either resentful, or upset that they see CMs arguing with guests. And I don't think are as much resentful as they are irritated. Unfortunately with the way people are, I don't see a day where CMs approach guests to tell them they are doing something not allowed, and they all go "Gosh, ok. I'm so sorry". Most people just don't react that way to being told they are doing something wrong.

 

[Slapshot1188]

So they are either resentful, or upset that they see CMs arguing with guests. And I don't think are as much resentful as they are irritated. Unfortunately with the way people are, I don't see a day where CMs approach guests to tell them they are doing something not allowed, and they all go "Gosh, ok. I'm so sorry". Most people just don't react that way to being told they are doing something wrong.

The only way to insure continued bad behavior is to not address it.

If I see a cast member addressing something like a line cutter or someone smoking outside the designated area I don't get resentful or irritated. I am happy that the jerks not following the rules are being called out. That's the role of the employee. It shouldn't fall to a paying guest to tell someone to stop smoking in the no smoking zone.

 

[kittyab]

Disney are upsetting me because they don't enforce the rules

I see this as a problem not just for smoking. They are enforcing rules park/resort wide.

 

[kittyab]

I actually think this is total BS. people treat smokers like lepars. The exhaust that comes from cars is worse than second hand smoke (in an outdoor environment), but no one would dream of treating drivers the way society treats smokers. Sorry, had to voice my opinion here.

I don't want my child to be exposed to second hand smoke. I don't want to be around it either. I don't think it is fair to force others to be around if they don't want to as well.

MK is really geared more for younger children. Hence no alcohol served at this park.

 

[kittyab]

The only way to insure continued bad behavior is to not address it.

If I see a cast member addressing something like a line cutter or someone smoking outside the designated area I don't get resentful or irritated. I am happy that the jerks not following the rules are being called out. That's the role of the employee. It shouldn't fall to a paying guest to tell someone to stop smoking in the no smoking zone.

I would cheer if I saw a CM deal with someone's bad behavior.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Because it is easier to ignore the behavior for a few reasons. One, you don't want your CMs to be at risk for some schmuck taking a punch at them. Two, if you tell your CMs to confront guests soon it will be all over the internet that Disney is being mean to their guests. We all know that even the most politely worded request will be blown out of proportion, and soon it will sound like CMs are walking up to guests, ripping cigarettes out of their hands, and smacking their kids to boot. Third, most companies cave when there is a huge number of on-lookers. You also don't want it out there how someone's vacation was ruined and their child scarred for life because they were witness to a lot of ugly confrontations between guests and CMs.

Think about what you just posted (bold).I see them as being out of control due to an addiction. Not all smokers are violent, but I have seen fights at the resorts due to a smoker not in a DSA. Not all, but a good number don't care about their own health let alone anyone around them. I think other smokers that follow the rules need to talk to the ones they see in the park that break the rule.

Security escorting the violators out of the park is a great idea.

 

[Dan Murphy]

As mentioned before, if there is a total elimination of smoking in the parks, I think it would be much easier to monitor and enforce. If you are smoking or vaping, you are breaking the Disney set rules and subject to their solution to that...a simple reprimand to ejection from the park. When we had smoking/no smoking here in Illinois, there were always problems. When the legislature came to their senses some years back and banned it 100% in any public place, it made life easy from an enforcement viewpoint.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Dress the security up as Ruffians from Tangled. Onlookers will think they are getting a show and cheer as rule-breakers are tossed.

You may think we're only joking
But you broke the rules for smoking
And we can't let that go on unabated
Now our animus and rage
We'll exact on you backstage
Because the whole event would be R-rated