Loud campers

[Lil' Lisa]

So they were Hispanic and either from another timezone (probably SEVERAL) or another culture or both. Welcome to culture shock (yours). maybe they assumed everyone was still out at the park, after all who would possibly turn in so early! Good lord, be in bed at 10 pm while on vacation? how provincial! how absurd!

10pm after all is a very reasonable hour to start cooking dinner if they were from Mexico, The southwest or California. It would be kinda hard to eat earlier, since 10 to you is barely 7 pm to them. If they were from South America, it is common to not eat until 12 - 1 am, with the same result after timezones are accounted for.


Frankly I'm shocked anyone would expect it to be dead quiet when the parks are open until 9 pm and sometimes 2 AM! That's why you are there!

You could have manned up, pulled on a pair of shorts, gone over and said "Hi, could you keep it down a little please", and probably been offered a beer as an apology. You might have made a new friend. At least one of them spoke enough english to understand you, probably most of them spoke english.

I think it was cool that you chose not to bother them, but it would have been perfectly OK for you to.
It would have been culturally more acceptable for you to do it yourself rather than call in an "authority figure".
"Authority figures" and 'rules' are distrusted and disregarded traditionally and culturally in Latin America for good reason. However they are culturally a very respectful and helpful people. If you had let them know, you would have saved yourself a lot of frustration.

Hmmm... I guess that the saying "when in Rome..." doesn't translate into Spanish.

When I travel to other countries, I make it a point to find out their cultural differences and do whatever I can to conform to them. To use cultural differences and differing time zones as an excuse for rude and inconsiderate behavior is unacceptable.

I couldn't agree more. Rude is rude, regardless of the culture or country.

 

[DisneyWithMyBoyz]

We had loud neighbors last time we tent camped. Same thing, it was our last night and their first. They didn't arrive until 10pm and started setting up camp and they were sooooo loud! It was a young guy and his wife and well, another girl who could have been his "other" wife and one of their mothers. Strange group I tell you.

But anyways, they were at it until almost 2am. One girl was scared of everything and at one point got a splinter. You would have thought it was the end of the world the way she was carrying on.

 

[phnguyk]

Hi everybody,

We just spent the 26th through the 3rd in loop 1100, we had a nice bit of distance between our sites, which was really nice. Except for the fact that one site decided to string their clothes lines throughout the area, I'm talking everywhere! 50' from their site, our neighbor complained to them and was told it's an easement "get over it". On top of that, every night they had a raging open fire, rangers would come out and extinguish it only to be relit in an hour or so. One of their daily visitors, because he would arrive around 9pm and leave around 2am every day would burn out in front of their site then squeel their tires at the exit of the loop. We personally made multiple complaints to the front desk and was only given the option to move sites. They did come out and have conversations with the people, but it did very little. Oh yeah they had a personal golfcart all pimped out and driven by an obiviously underage girl, who would stay around the site with friends and seemed to ferry the adults around. For the most part the kids, I mean 15 and under were good, it was the adults. I'll always go back to the Fort but this was really unexceptable on the Forts part.
Sorry, so long winded, there was an incident with the line for the bus returning to the Fort from Epcot with this group. The sun was beating down and penetrating partly under the canopy at the stop. Well a few families were standing in the shade not stepping up and filling in the maybe 12' of empty space. Well, here comes this group huffin and puffin that people weren't moving up. So they took it upon themselves to push their way through and some of the kids went out and under the chains to fill the space in. Sadly there was 2 teen girls who knew it was wrong and voiced it to the adults only for the adults to yell at them, sad. The silver lining though, the driver saw this and stopped the group while we boarded.

 

[Eagle~]

When I travel to other countries, I make it a point to find out their cultural differences and do whatever I can to conform to them. To use cultural differences and differing time zones as an excuse for rude and inconsiderate behavior is unacceptable.

Are you not ALSO a visitor? Your insistence that all people should conform to YOUR cultural mores, especially when you are no less a visitor than they are, is puzzling.


I merely pointed out, mostly tongue-in-cheek, that what you see as Rude and inconsiderate, may seem perfectly normal if you looked at it from another's perspective.
If you choose to be bothered by relatively insignificant stuff like this, that is your choice. I have better things to do while on vacation than get bothered b/c everyone isn't exactly like "Me".

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Are you not ALSO a visitor? Your insistence that all people should conform to YOUR cultural mores, especially when you are no less a visitor than they are, is puzzling.


I merely pointed out, mostly tongue-in-cheek, that what you see as Rude and inconsiderate, may seem perfectly normal if you looked at it from another's perspective.
If you choose to be bothered by relatively insignificant stuff like this, that is your choice. I have better things to do while on vacation than get bothered b/c everyone isn't exactly like "Me".

In many countries, if you choose not to conform, you will find yourself in jail for something as simple as chewing gum. Thankfully, in the US, this is not the case. Since you are assuming that these people are foreign visitors, then no, I am not a visitor in the same sense as they are. I am only requesting they conform when their behavior is disturbing to others. What's so bad about that? Why should I have to accept their behavior when their behavior is bothering other guests and is not in line with the rules established by Disney for the use of their property?

Colston? Is that you? Where ya been, buddy?

 

[DaveInTN]

Are you not ALSO a visitor? Your insistence that all people should conform to YOUR cultural mores, especially when you are no less a visitor than they are, is puzzling.

I think you have mischaracterized ftwildernessguy's statement. He simply stated, when traveling to other countries, that he does whatever he can to conform to the cultural mores of the local populace. He never said he insists all people should conform to him. Yes, he is a "visitor" to the Orlando, FL area when camping at Fort Wilderness...but, if the campers next to the OP were loud during late hours of the night, that behavior is inappropriate for a family campground in the US considering the cultural mores of a majority of the U.S. population. IMHO of course.

When I travel to other countries, I make it a point to find out their cultural differences and do whatever I can to conform to them. To use cultural differences and differing time zones as an excuse for rude and inconsiderate behavior is unacceptable.

 

[tlh0726]

My BFF's daughter dated someone from border patrol. He ummmm accidently left a shirt or two at her house during one of his visits. Guess I am going to have to ask to borrow one for our upcoming trip when I drop the cat off to visit his 2 girlfriends (DH is so jealous!)
Wonder how fast it would quite down if I threw on one of those bad boys and politely asked them to keep it down.

 

[Disneylitch]

You can't expect it to be quiet when the parks are open to 2am and then there is Pleasure Island. What you can expect is for people to have respect for other people. If it's really late, you don't need to be screaming and hollering through the loops. There are campers with little children, and if you have ever had to deal with a sleep deprived child, you would keep the volume lower. You can talk, have a good time, just be respectful. However, that seems to be lacking in society in general.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

Are you not ALSO a visitor? Your insistence that all people should conform to YOUR cultural mores, especially when you are no less a visitor than they are, is puzzling.


I merely pointed out, mostly tongue-in-cheek, that what you see as Rude and inconsiderate, may seem perfectly normal if you looked at it from another's perspective.
If you choose to be bothered by relatively insignificant stuff like this, that is your choice. I have better things to do while on vacation than get bothered b/c everyone isn't exactly like "Me".

The point is that the behavior was rude, excuse it any way you want, that doesnt change it. Your comment of "b/c everyone isnt exactly like me" is an attempt to change the subject and is arguementative at best.

 

[Shasta]

In addition to everyone's great comments, I'd also add that while we are talking about courtesy and respect here which arguably could be interpreted differently from different people due to cultural or regional differences, Disney also has rules that everyone needs to follow. These rules apply to each and everyone who stays at the Fort regardless of and cultural, ethnic, age, etc. differences and the behavior that I described was not following these rules.

So the question isn't a matter of should I have respected the fact that someone wanted to be loud and disturb myself and other campers after midnight. I am not responsible for needing to make the choice to be tolerant of the behavior.

I chose not to address the problem with Disney or the campers as an act of kindness on my part because I didn't want to start someone's vacation on their first day with a negative. I'm very laid back and seldom get my anger knob off #1. I was no where near #2 that night but that doesn't mean that I didn't see their actions as improper.

A decent analogy would be if I brought my kilt and bagpipes down and played late into the night. I'm a board member of a Celtic Heritage Society and this would be culturally natural for me and enjoyable. If anyone's been around bagpipes, you will agree that not only are they loud but can wear on your nerves after 20 minutes much less 5 hours.

 

[Disneylitch]

In addition to everyone's great comments, I'd also add that while we are talking about courtesy and respect here which arguably could be interpreted differently from different people due to cultural or regional differences, Disney also has rules that everyone needs to follow. These rules apply to each and everyone who stays at the Fort regardless of and cultural, ethnic, age, etc. differences and the behavior that I described was not following these rules.

So the question isn't a matter of should I have respected the fact that someone wanted to be loud and disturb myself and other campers after midnight. I am not responsible for needing to make the choice to be tolerant of the behavior.

I chose not to address the problem with Disney or the campers as an act of kindness on my part because I didn't want to start someone's vacation on their first day with a negative. I'm very laid back and seldom get my anger knob off #1. I was no where near #2 that night but that doesn't mean that I didn't see their actions as improper.

A decent analogy would be if I brought my kilt and bagpipes down and played late into the night. I'm a board member of a Celtic Heritage Society and this would be culturally natural for me and enjoyable. If anyone's been around bagpipes, you will agree that not only are they loud but can wear on your nerves after 20 minutes much less 5 hours.

Personally, I would love to hear you play the bagpipes, but that is not the issue. Rules are rules and they should be followed. No different than the speed limit signs. I don't care if you live in an area without speed limits, you are not in that area anymore. However, some people think that the rules don't apply to them, but to everyone. I know people like that and it's not work getting hot and bothered about. It won't make a difference. Back to Disney, if they are going to enforce one set of rules then they need to enforce all rules. The issue of underage children driving golf carts is another issue. I guess they don't want to make people unhappy and loose their money. The bottom line is that rude is rude, it shouldn't be sugarcoated.

 

[duranfan]

My family has camped at the Ft. since they opened. In the brochures they give you isn't QUITE HOURS starting at 11pm? I know they had decent hours where you ARE expected to keep noise down.
Several years back on the 300loop there was a group of campers who partied all night. They had 2 campsites one with and RV then the other with multiple tents and probably SIX disney golf carts, so lets do the math on how many people were probably staying on 2 sites.
ANYWAY, they partied all night long outside. Think they were watching a gators game then the partied continued. They were kicked out of the campground the next morning. We knew the attendent at the time and she told us that was the case.
You do have to complain if people are breaking the rules. Point blank if you think the other people's situation could lead to a dangerous situation state that to the manager and remind them IF something happens you will have to speak up that they were warned of the situation. Perhaps that will work if they are a little apprehensive about offending another guest.
Also, you can get a regular telephone line number to the Fort so you could call on your cell instead of walking to the comfort station.
I am a native Floridian so trust me when I say I can tell an illegal from someone who had lived here. I have so many illegal alien stories I could tell you, least with this economy a lot of them are leaving.
Where I worked a few years ago we had security guards. We were building a new facility and course you can imagine how many illegals the contractor had on the project. So one of the older guards does photography as a hobby. One day theres about 12 of the illegal men sitting in a row on a beam and he thought that would make a good pix, he said by the time he looked in his lense everyone one of them had run away. He said no doubt they thought he was taking their pix for ICE.
Someone mentioned the border officer shirts. Another guard had some illegals rent a house behind him and he said they blared music, ect. One day he went over in his normal clothes and the man was rude and basically did not comply. So then the next day he went over in his security uniform (which if you know the security co looks like a state troopers uniform) Do you think he ever had to tell them to keep in quite again, I think not!

My opinion is the park has rules and management should follow them. I don't want to have blaring noise all night, nor do I want kids or animals creating dangerous situations for my family or fellow guests.