Looking to purchase resale...are any of these good deals?

Are you not getting a response from the broker or is the broker letting you know the owner declined your offer with no counter? I swear, prices seem to be going up on some resellers websites!
The brokers have all been responsive. The sellers are mostly not even bothering with a counteroffer. I’m trying one more time, and then I’m going to just wait it out, which is probably what I should be doing already anyway.
 
I've declined to counteroffer before, but the market was totally different. You'll get a better deal anyway :cool1: and possibly a call from one of the broker's that the owner has reconsidered!
 
I've declined to counteroffer before, but the market was totally different. You'll get a better deal anyway :cool1: and possibly a call from one of the broker's that the owner has reconsidered!
That would be a nice surprise! :rolleyes:
 
I hope the prices go down so I can buy more, however I do not think they will. Just a gut feeling right now. Good luck in your search.
 

We love the feel of the Boardwalk too. Sandisw just sold a contract at $115.5, so I guess you have a shot sub 100 eventually. Keep an eye on the ROFR thread for recent deals going through, or not going through.

Yeah, definitely keeping an eye out. The thing that is a bit of a struggle is that with the market and economy ever-changing, The ROFR only paints half the picture. Most of the ones that have passed are from late March, early April. A lot has changed since those times. This is absolutely nothing against the ROFR thread at all. It's very helpful, but it's just the nature of the beast that...it will never quite match up to the real-time market.

I agree though, it IS super helpful in tracking the numbers. But, I just worry that...by the time we see rock bottom prices on ROFR and make offers, the market will rebound in that time frame. Not sure if that makes sense.




Yes, but if you booked that January vacation and you cancel that reservation from November on, you would not be able to banked those January points into your next March UY since your 4 month banking window would be past.

This is true. But, I suppose it's one of those things that a cancellation could happen at any time. It's hard to control or predict the timing of it. It feels like there are pros and cons to just about any UY. But...I feel okay about ruling out October and December. But, beyond that...I don't have a huge preference.


You'll want to come up with a formula to compare apples to apples. In my recent purchase of a Poly contract, I looked at the ROFR board to see what deals were passing ROFR/being accepted. Then I took into account the number of points being transferred. By way of example, the contract I bought was 220 points in a UY (August) that worked for us. The ROFR indicated that deals were closing in the low $140s. The contract in question had 8 banked points, and the full 220 for all years thereafter. I valued the 2019 points, which I would not have to pay MF for at about $9 per point (Price per point/number of years left plus maintenance fees = the approximate cost per point including maintenance fees). I offered $138 ($10 less than the asking price) on the contract expecting a counter offer. The buyer came back with $141 per point and two months of maintenance fees paid. I took it. Essentially, if you subtract the value of the 2019 points, I got it for about $132 a point which I was happy with. The 9 banked points are of no use to me, but that's not the end of the world. My calculations may be crazy, but it helped when looking through multiple contracts.

Thinking about that....I guess even though it's halfway through 2020, and we won't be going (likely) until 2021 anyway. A contract with points not coming till 2021, I would calculate the years 2042-2021 for example. Not 2042-2020. Correct?

But, if it does have 2020 points, I would calculate the full number of years.....even if I'm not using this year's points.

Am I doing the math right in my head?
 
I agree though, it IS super helpful in tracking the numbers. But, I just worry that...by the time we see rock bottom prices on ROFR and make offers, the market will rebound in that time frame. Not sure if that makes sense.
I guess I could be called "inconsistent" with my money habits. I will stop and bend over to pick up a penny from the sidewalk if I see one, but won't worry about paying the "rock bottom" price for some things. If I found a contract that fit my needs and desires would I offer to buy at $115, and pass at $120, hoping for it to fall to $115 at some point in the future? Not likely. We all have a budget and a sense of "how much is this worth to us". Also, a backward-looking metric such as ROFR can only tell you what has been. We wish we could tell what will be. If someone happens to time the market just right and buys at the absolute lowest price available, good on them. Also, I'm not sure that the market rebounding to the upside is of great concern at this point. I think you will have plenty of time to decide if a deal is right for you, or not.
 
AKV- 100 points. $117/pp OR. 160 points. $100/pp.
We love having our AKV contracts. If you do decide to purchase here, do not buy only enough to book a value studio. I find them even more difficult to secure than the standard BWV studios.
 
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I've been planning to purchase resale for a while. I'm in a good position to be able to purchase now, and I am hoping that between re-sales and ROFR, now is a good time to pull the trigger. I've spent all weekend looking at listings and crunching numbers. And things are starting to get all jumbled up as far as value. I don't think numbers are as low as they could be, I don't want to wait too long and lose out on a deal.

Here are some of the details on listings I am looking at. Could you let me know which you think are the most valuable, which one you would go for, and what your offer would be for them?

AKV- 100 points. $117/pp OR. 160 points. $100/pp.

Aulani- 160 points $99/pp.

BLT- 91 points. $160/pp

BWV- 125 points. $135/pp

VGF- 100 points. $158/pp

OKW extended 130 points. $112/pp

Poly- 100 points $140/pp

SSR 150 points. $94/pp OR. 120 points. $110/pp


Are any of these good deals? Should I put an offer in?
I would try AKV 160 Points at $100 - I would offer $95
OR SSR 150 Points at $94 - I would offer $85
 
Looks like you've narrowed down your list, that's great!

VGF You could offer $130 on this contract that is asking $158, but I wouldn't do that on anything priced $190-200. Maybe VGF will get to go your price point in the next few months.

AKV I see a 100 point contract waiting on ROFR for $95 pp, so your $89 is sounding reasonable. I know, I know the dues. And that's exactly why AKV isn't number one for me. Such a great resort though!

SSR I think the most recent 150 SSR passed for $96 pp. but $80 seems low to me. I'd personally offer $89. If I see your $80 on the rofr thread I'll be cheering for you.

Looking forward to seeing your name on the ROFR thread soon! Good luck! Keep up the research!

Yeah, with AKV, those Value Studios are such huge values....of course, even being an owner you have such a tiny chance of getting them. But, I'd love to at least have a chance. But....is a small chance at a value going to be a deciding factor? I dunno about that.

I would be pretty happy with VGF at $130. Even if prices drop, gosh I can't imagine it going much lower than that. But...you never know.

Yeah, it's a smidgen on the low side for SSR. But, with all the listings out there, I just don't know that the market value is super high.

Thanks for the well-wishes :)


I like a UY that is still 4 month away from when I would likely "know" in "normal" times that I might canx my trip. I first had Sept UY on a small contract--terrible for summer travel, as I had to canx a trip/bank by April and if I rescheduled for later summer and didn't make it, I lost those points.
I sold that one and bought at AKV. I was about the same $ as SSR and we loved AKV. We usually just stay there, but have also booked others. I chose Dec UY. We travel to WDW Dec, spring and summer. Almost never fall. Dec UY is really bad for Thanksgiving trip--but we don't have a long enough break to do that anymore.
Dec has been perfect for us. I can canx or change dates of summer travel until end of July. Of course, availablity has to be there. We usually book AKV, OKW or do a split stay to pick up nights for 30-60 day reshuffle. Also, think longer term, not just for the next few years. For ex, if young kids, think school calendar. Teens, think college calendar (no more late Aug trips), etc. Good luck.
I'd also offer $10-15 under. If no takers, wait a bit. I think pricing will decline in the fall.

I think the problem about knowing when I might cancel the trip, is....for me at least, it's likely relative to the vacation date itself, and less about a specific date.

Yeah, I do like that OKW is generally easy to get a lot of the time, because I really do love OKW.


None of them are good deals. They are all asking more than the average resale price in March with the exception of SSR and VGF. We have seen contracts since then have sold for amounts significantly lower than those March prices.

I would start with an offer 20% or more below the average resale price in March and see if they accept or counter. I wouldn't do any deal right now unless you get a significant discount from those March prices. The market is only going to drop more going forward and booking is going to be very difficult for 24 months.

Here are the March average resale prices according to https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/:

WDW-Resort-prices-MAR20.jpg


Wow, this is so helpful and informative. I will be interested to see what the April numbers end up being. A couple of things that seem interesting to me: most of the listings went down between February and March, but AKV has continued to increase.

Secondly, BLT dropped quite a bit, and it the lowest it's been in a long time. Kind of a curious fact. Not sure that it really says anything or explains anything. Just an interesting factoid, I think.



Echoing what others have said, buy where you want to stay or wouldn’t mind staying. Depending on your desired accommodation and time of year, you could very well be stuck at your home resort (a) over the next few years as COVID inventory shakes out and (b) beyond as new resorts are added and more points are out there to book at 7 months.

Generally, larger accommodations are easier to book at 7 months. If you are only buying enough points for a studio on most of your trips, you should be thinking that your home resort will be where you stay 75% of the time.

Also along what others have said, if you can, wait. Resale prices will go down later this year. If you care about the upfront cost and you aren’t looking to do a trip later this year or early 2021, you shouldn’t be in a rush.

If you definitely want to buy sooner than later, don’t be afraid to make a low offer. In this environment, no offer that is greater than 60% of the asking price is “insulting”. It may be too early to get those kinds of deals, and expecting to get something for less than 80% of asking might not happen.

You don’t know these sellers’ situations. I am sure that a lot of contracts have been sitting there for weeks with no offers and they’d be happy to have one to start negotiations. Also, resale prices have been pretty high lately, so unless you’re buying a new new resort, sellers may have purchased their contracts 20-30% below where they are listed.

Best of luck!


Whoa, 60%. That's pretty bold. I mean...nothing ventured, nothing gained right?

My thought on 2021, is that...well, we do have a trip later this year, but we may have to cancel. So, if we do have to RS into 2021, it would be nice to have those points to use, and be able to utilize the 11 month window. Or, at least at this point....the greater than 7 month window. So, I feel like if we wait until later this year, we won't really be able to use those points for spring 2021, because the rooms will be full. I also feel like if we have any shot at all for fall 2021, we'd have to have t's crossed and i's dotted by the end of summer.
 
Those point amounts will absolutely not be enough for 2 bd rms unless you’re talking about 2 or 3 days.

Yes, I am aware of that. We typically do a short week in combination with a cruise, anywhere from 4-6 days.

But, also it would be more a banking and/or borrowing situation, and we would just travel every other year or so.


That may be where prices end up eventually. But I have been trying low offers on Poly (mostly in the 120-136 range depending on contract) and most of the time I have not even gotten a counter offer. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I suspect that while there are rare amazing deals to be had right now, a lot of sellers still expect the prices they could get 8 weeks ago. I'm anxious to the the April sales data.

Awww well good luck to you on the Poly.

I definitely look forward to seeing if there has been any movement on the April data.



That is what I would do, but I am not in a hurry to buy a contract now either. So I wouldn't have to worry about a seller not coming back with a counter and that is more than likely going to happen on some of those contracts out there. I am waiting for prices to drop even more.

That said, any deal that any buyer is comfortable paying is ultimately a good deal. If you are happy with the purchase when you made it, don't let better deals latter on lead to buyer's regret. DVC is just like anything else where you can get burned by waiting too long for prices to continually drop. So any buyer should take their own needs, wants and situation into account more than what any poster on here post.


Agreed....it's about what the buyer is willing to pay.

Unfortunately I'm such a shopper with any big purchase I make. I could buy a $1000 computer for $500 and think I got a great deal. But, then two months later, if I see it for $425, I'm kicking myself. That's just my mindset. But like you said, DVC is like anything else; it's hard to predict rock bottom and if you wait too long, it can be too late.
 
I’m gonna chime in with what I am doing/ planning on doing.

I have been traveling to DW for the last 12 years, since I was 18 and first fell in love with Disney when I was so blessed to go with a friend to Disneyland at 16. I have never stayed on property at Disneyland, we stayed across the street. Now I go to DW at least 2 times a year. I have stayed at every on property resort at DW except Saratoga and the all stars. I have also stayed at Aulani.

I love love love the Epcot area. I like beach club for the pool, but BWV pool is nice too and I can see my kids from one spot there.
I should have bought DVC a long time ago. However I am done having kids, currently a surrogate and financially it is something I can do. But considering how much money I have spent on and off property I would have been much better off buying DVC.

I put an offer in on Boardwalk for only 150 points for 130$ Pp. It has all of 2019 and 2020 points. This is probably too much pp but I am compromising on buying a smaller contract here. I travel in Sept and January consistently and I would be partially upset if I didn’t get a stay at the Epcot area once a year for the amount of money I’m spending. I’m going to buy an additional 100 points somewhere else, idk where yet but it will be somewhere less expensive. I would only buy AKV for the concierge level which probably is a bad idea so I think I’ll stick with SSR or OKW something that will last a little longer (maybe I have time to wait now). I’m getting (hopefully since it’s out for ROFR) enough points to make stays for this coming year I don’t only want to stay at Boardwalk I want to go to other places (Hilton head and to Vero Beach.) I have a June use year. I also love resort hoping, so if I have to break up my stay that’s okay too. But I was planning on traveling to Disney after September and I realize that I most likely won’t get BW this year but when the 11 month mark hits I should be able to get it for next year, 2021, for F & W or in January.

There isn’t a bad place to stay at Disney IMO but I wouldn’t go into buying a resort blindly. I have three young kids and I don’t like the Contemporary.at.all. People don’t go to Disney because it’s cheap, we go because we love it and look forward to the joy it brings. So I may have spent a little more on Boardwalk but I love it and I’m happy with my choice and I’m content with paying a premium to be where I want at least once a year.
 
If you’re not in a rush I would wait. Prices will be going down as people need cash due to the worsening economy. You will see better deals imo, and everything is so up in the air with Disney (and everything else) right now anyway, I’d just wait a few months. We’ve been talking about adding a BLT contract to our list and my DH wants to buy now but I’ve talked him in to waiting.
 
For Aulani, I would consider getting transfer points from an owner when you want to go. You will spend a bit more for them, but they will allow you to book (by phone) at the 11 month mark rather than chancing banking/borrowing your own points at 7 months. My original DVC was a 25 pt OKW and I’ve used transfers several times to get more/“better” points. Very similar to renting, but you control the reservation (you just have to be an owner somewhere for this to work)!

Yeah, I think that's what we're going to do. Or, down the road, we'll just see what the re-sale market is at that point. I don't see a Hawaii trip happening for the next 5 years or so. So, once we decide on it, then we will work out whether to transfer or buy or whatever.

I am also sort of holding out for possibly buying direct, depending on what incentives are out there for Aulani.


I hope the prices go down so I can buy more, however I do not think they will. Just a gut feeling right now. Good luck in your search.

I kind of have that same gut feeling.

I tend to think there is a chance that the economy isn't going to crash as bad as some people might be expecting, especially in certain sectors.

It's also not only about pricing. It's also about ROFR. It does seem like Disney is being lax about ROFR right now, but there's no telling how long that will last. The prices may drop by November. But, maybe by then, Disney will start picking up a lot more re-sales.





I guess I could be called "inconsistent" with my money habits. I will stop and bend over to pick up a penny from the sidewalk if I see one, but won't worry about paying the "rock bottom" price for some things. If I found a contract that fit my needs and desires would I offer to buy at $115, and pass at $120, hoping for it to fall to $115 at some point in the future? Not likely. We all have a budget and a sense of "how much is this worth to us". Also, a backward-looking metric such as ROFR can only tell you what has been. We wish we could tell what will be. If someone happens to time the market just right and buys at the absolute lowest price available, good on them. Also, I'm not sure that the market rebounding to the upside is of great concern at this point. I think you will have plenty of time to decide if a deal is right for you, or not.

Oh I completely relate to the inconsistent money habits. And, that's not to say I am irresponsible. But, like I said, I am a shopper. I am always after the best deal. You should see me when I buy a car. That's even more of a balancing act...trying to buy a car old enough that it's in my price range, but with low enough mileage that it's going to be a good long-term investment, all while trying to get the lowest possible price. And, because time is always passing, a car's value might be much lower now than it was 6 months ago, and I think "Phew, I'm glad I didn't spend x dollars back then and waited till now."

At the same time, I am also the kind of person that will buy something, within reason, on a whim. I get this feeling, this urge that I want or like something, I'll get it. (like I said, if it's within reason, if I have the money, etc) I just have to be in the spending mood.


I would try AKV 160 Points at $100 - I would offer $95
OR SSR 150 Points at $94 - I would offer $85

Those sound like fair offers. I would have to be pretty low on SSR to be happy with my purchase. I have my heart set on VGF, but looking at the long term, like 20 years from now...SSR is probably the better location, because we'll spend more time at DS than at a park.



I love love love the Epcot area. I like beach club for the pool, but BWV pool is nice too and I can see my kids from one spot there.
I should have bought DVC a long time ago. However I am done having kids, currently a surrogate and financially it is something I can do. But considering how much money I have spent on and off property I would have been much better off buying DVC.

I put an offer in on Boardwalk for only 150 points for 130$ Pp. It has all of 2019 and 2020 points. This is probably too much pp but I am compromising on buying a smaller contract here. I travel in Sept and January consistently and I would be partially upset if I didn’t get a stay at the Epcot area once a year for the amount of money I’m spending. I’m going to buy an additional 100 points somewhere else, idk where yet but it will be somewhere less expensive. I would only buy AKV for the concierge level which probably is a bad idea so I think I’ll stick with SSR or OKW something that will last a little longer (maybe I have time to wait now). I’m getting (hopefully since it’s out for ROFR) enough points to make stays for this coming year I don’t only want to stay at Boardwalk I want to go to other places (Hilton head and to Vero Beach.) I have a June use year. I also love resort hoping, so if I have to break up my stay that’s okay too. But I was planning on traveling to Disney after September and I realize that I most likely won’t get BW this year but when the 11 month mark hits I should be able to get it for next year, 2021, for F & W or in January.

Good luck! I will cross my fingers for you. I have such a love for the BW area. I love all the resorts there, and they really are such a cohesive mix. On the monorail loop, you have three very wonderful but very distinct resorts. With the Epcot area, while the theming are all different, the color palates, the era of the resorts, they seem to blend together perfectly.


If you’re not in a rush I would wait. Prices will be going down as people need cash due to the worsening economy. You will see better deals imo, and everything is so up in the air with Disney (and everything else) right now anyway, I’d just wait a few months. We’ve been talking about adding a BLT contract to our list and my DH wants to buy now but I’ve talked him in to waiting.


Not in a rush, other than, like I said above...I wonder about how long ROFR will continue to be lenient. Even if prices start to fall, we may see Disney go back to buying up inventory more consistently.
 
Made an offer, it was declined. Darn.

That said, I'm not discouraged. Gonna keep on keepin on till the right fit works out.
 
Made an offer, it was declined. Darn.

That said, I'm not discouraged. Gonna keep on keepin on till the right fit works out.
Can I ask what offer you made? Definitely don’t get discouraged—I made 5 Poly offers and 2 BLT before i got a poly I wanted
 
Can I ask what offer you made? Definitely don’t get discouraged—I made 5 Poly offers and 2 BLT before i got a poly I wanted


Please don't laugh at me, because I know it's kind of bonkers.

But I offered $125 on the $158 VGF contract.
 















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