Looking for Predictions on DVC Resorts between LSL and 2042

[Headless]

Skyliner expansion would be a big on. Either an expansion of the existing or maybe even a new system attaching resorts to say animal kingdom which everyone has to bus into, that could increase draw to other resorts like the skyliner ones see now.

 

[muppets3d]

If they want 3-4 resorts selling concurrently, they'd actually need to build faster than that. But with some very long-tailed resorts (CFW, AUL) then they can go a bit slower.

Do they want that many resorts selling concurrently? I guess they do because CFL will probably never sell out at the current pace, and AUL is still a long ways away last I heard.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

I think there next step should be in the direction similar to the cabins and go below the deluxe line. Every new resort has been at the deluxe level lately and I think its time to capitalize on the moderates. Build another larger moderate resort and mix in DVC and non. Maybe put a 'premium offering' (like the bungalows, the tree houses and the like) along the edge of the resort property as an extra.

If there was a moderate DVC, would it not get deluxe hotel perks (mostly EEH)? Would the primary DVC resort owners be able to trade into it? I would be worried that any new rooms with lower point charts would be extremely hard to book (I'll call this the BWV Standard/AKV Value effect, where they get snapped up for maximum rental value), but maybe it would also help take pressure off those rooms, which would be a win for me personally.

It might make more sense for Disney to sell the points at lower pricing instead of making the point chart very low. Higher point chart means lower dues per point, and as long as you have a handful of base model rooms, you can still pitch it as "stay for a week for less than 150 points!" I think this is basically what they did with Poly Tower-- except they aren't selling the points cheap! But you can imagine how it would be appealing to say "You can by Poly right on the monorail at $225/pt, BWV2 at $230/pt, VDH at $235, AUL at $200, or you can get LSL at $170/pt!" Of course, think we all doubt that Disney is doing a big hotel build just to get $170/pt.

I'd be willing to bet some families who have turned down DVC up until now would be more willing to bite on a moderate level and having more moderate offerings will I think net more stay's in general and would probably sell well. I also want to see them have fun with the theming, something that screams Disney and gets people excited to stay there.

I do think fun theming is something Disney did very well insde the CFW cabins. My kids are clamoring to stay there.

I’ve kinda resigned myself to the idea a fifth gate won’t come in time for me to enjoy it. More likely only see the other 4 parks expanded. I would love to see a 5th gate though! And a skyliner expansion.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I would much rather get a land expansion in each of the existing parks than a 5th gate UNLESS it was DisneySea or some other compelling cohesive theming. AK is not going to be a full day park even after it gets Tropical Americas, and EPCOT needs at least 2 more good rides (well, maybe only 1 with TT back up?). I'd say the same for DHS, but it is getting Monstropolis and it recently got SWGE.

 

[Mouseforward]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I would much rather get a land expansion in each of the existing parks than a 5th gate UNLESS it was DisneySea or some other compelling cohesive theming.

Agree, why push for a 5th gait which would end up making us buy another ticket or raise the AP cost.

I like that WDW is replacing attractions that are not drawing guests. Attractions like muppets , ROA, TS Island were large parts of property that were nostalgic but not popular with newer guests. If the nostalgia police ran the theme park it would be out of business in a few years.

 

[juliebee]

If there was a moderate DVC, would it not get deluxe hotel perks (mostly EEH)?

Fort Wilderness is considered a moderate resort and they get all the DVC perks such as extended evening hours. The info is specific to say this only applies to DVC only in Fort Wilderness. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/extended-evening/

 

[juliebee]

If there is going to be a moderate DVC, I'd love for it to be French Quarter.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

Fort Wilderness is considered a moderate resort and they get all the DVC perks such as extended evening hours. The info is specific to say this only applies to DVC only in Fort Wilderness. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/extended-evening/

The Cabins are currently categorized as a deluxe resort. I think they have to make the distinction to specify EEH don't apply to the campsites.

 

[juliebee]

The Cabins are currently categorized as a deluxe resort. I think they have to make the distinction to specify EEH don't apply to the campsites.

I thought they were still categorized as moderate, so sorry that I had that wrong. They were categorized as moderate for such a long time. Did they switch with the refurb then?

 

[Mouseforward]

I thought they were still categorized as moderate, so sorry that I had that wrong. They were categorized as moderate for such a long time. Did they switch with the refurb then?

Yes, but lets be real, its arbitrary. AoA is more of a moderate unless you are in LM , and GDT is as nice as RIV, and better than Dolphin in many ways. I think of it as more " what Disney feels like making the perks" than actual qualities.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

I thought they were still categorized as moderate, so sorry that I had that wrong. They were categorized as moderate for such a long time. Did they switch with the refurb then?

I'm sure they switched due to making them part of DVC! Hard to convince people to pay direct sale prices to buy into a "moderate" resort

 

[jennypenny]

If there is going to be a moderate DVC, I'd love for it to be French Quarter.

With skyliner expansion and an impressive pool complex and restaurant, French Quarter could be a deluxe resort.

Looking at how empty the parks are despite DVC rooms being full, I wonder how that will affect Disney's planning. DVC used to guarantee park guests for Disney, but that seems less true this summer.

 

[byurick]

Wait when were the parks empty? Let me know so I can plan for next time.

 

[CarolynFH]

Looking at how empty the parks are despite DVC rooms being full, I wonder how that will affect Disney's planning. DVC used to guarantee park guests for Disney, but that seems less true this summer.

During the many years I’ve been on DISboards, I’ve read over and over that the majority of park guests come from offsite and that Disney resort (including DVC) guests constitute well less than half of park attendance. Disney has been trying to increase its share of park visitors that stay in Disney resorts, but I don’t think that DVC has ever “guaranteed park guests” for Disney.

The main thing that DVC does for Disney is to guarantee that maintenance and operating expenses are covered for those DVC resorts via owners paying dues, whether the resort is fully booked or not. They showed they understood that when they converted half of WL to CCV, and Covid confirmed it for them. That’s why they converted BPK from cash GF to DVC VGF. I’m really interested to see whether LSL ends up being half cash and half DVC as initially announced or is entirely DVC, thus benefiting Parks & Resorts bottom line by having DVC owners, not P&R, cover the expenses.

 

[Mouseforward]

During the many years I’ve been on DISboards, I’ve read over and over that the majority of park guests come from offsite and that Disney resort (including DVC) guests constitute well less than half of park attendance. Disney has been trying to increase its share of park visitors that stay in Disney resorts, but I don’t think that DVC has ever “guaranteed park guests” for Disney.

The main thing that DVC does for Disney is to guarantee that maintenance and operating expenses are covered for those DVC resorts via owners paying dues, whether the resort is fully booked or not. They showed they understood that when they converted half of WL to CCV, and Covid confirmed it for them. That’s why they converted BPK from cash GF to DVC VGF. I’m really interested to see whether LSL ends up being half cash and half DVC as initially announced or is entirely DVC, thus benefiting Parks & Resorts bottom line by having DVC owners, not P&R, cover the expenses.

I think LSL will be a “ hotel” in so much as it has 900 rooms and will always be bookable as a hotel even when fully declared. Unless WDW has a secret plan to raise park attendance , they don’t need more Deluxe hotel rooms.

 

[CarolynFH]

I think LSL will be a “ hotel” in so much as it has 900 rooms and will always be bookable as a hotel even when fully declared. Unless WDW has a secret plan to raise park attendance , they don’t need more Deluxe hotel rooms.

Oh of course, LSL could be entirely DVC like RIV, entirely declared, and Disney would still have plenty of rooms to rent there for cash! But Reflections was to be part DVC and part cash, like WL is, so I'm looking forward to finding out whether that changed. IOW, will LSL be like RIV or like WL?