Looking For A New Camera - Need Help Please!!

DestinationDisney said:
Speaking of tripods...someone mentioned in a previous post that they use a "mini tripod". How much money would one of these cost? Do you need to get a tripod based on the model of your camera?

Oh, and another question....

One of the cameras I'm considering is a Kodak P17. It states that the camera comes with an internal flash and an external hot-shoe. What is this?


I picked up a table top tri pod for $14.95 2 weeks ago, and that was at Ritz cameras which is one of the most expensive places around. They didn't have the exact one I got online, but here is a similar one http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/291660587.htm They are all fairly standard, what you need to make sure of is the weight rating. If your camera is heavier than it will hold you have a problem. But probably isn't an issue with any P&S.

The one I got is made by Quantary by Sunpak, and folded and in its case it is about 9 inches tall. It streaches to about 18 inches total height and is perfect for sitting on top of a flat trash can.

The Hot Shoe allows you to use an external flash, it will fire at the same time as your camera. Most internal flashes are fairly weak, so if you more than 15 feet away or so, they are worthless. External flashes will give you more light, and work over a greater distance.

I still don't have an external flash for mine, but luckily for me, Christmas is only 108 days from now :) :banana:
 
Mister Mason: That's OK, I was just kidding about the lenses. :) I do love manual-focus though so that doesn't bother me! My SLR was a K1000... I never had an SLR with autofocus before the new camera.

DD: OK, we'll go one thing at a time. :)

Like MM said, the ballhead lets you move around the camera on top of a monopod or tripod. There's also "3-way pan/tilt heads" which let you move each axis independantly. (Vertical and horizontal.) The problem is that decent ballheads can cost a LOT of money! So I'm looking for the best cheap one.

And in case it wasn't obvious, a monopod is basically a tripod with one leg. It's not as stable (you can't just leave it there obviously, you need to hold it) but I thought it might come in handy for something like fireworks shots at Disney, where any attempt to set up a tripod may result in many dirty looks due to the crowded conditions!

I would definitely recommend taking a class - even if you already know some of the stuff, a big part of photography is just getting the proper inspiration to take interesting photos. That's something that I get with SLRs in manual mode that I just can't get with a PnS.

Re: Noise. Again, like MM says, it's totally subjective. Look at sample photos in the reviews of the cameras you're considering, especially the ones at higher ISO levels. When you look at them (especially full-size), see how much the noise bothers you. I detest noise but others don't mind it as much.

The Fuji is worth consideration because it gives you almost as much zoom for far less money, plus more ISO options (I'm not sure how the noise levels compare to the Canons and Sonys, but it definitely goes higher.)

buy.com has been around a loooong time and has extremely cheap prices on many things... unfortunately, their web site stinks but I've always had good luck buying from them.

Mini tripods... you can get those for extremely cheap. ($10-15 often.) They have them at the usual electronics stores, or online. www.minitripods.com has a bunch of 'em! There's even a review site that reviewed every one sold there (Google could help find it.) They are pretty much universal, so don't worry about buying one that won't work with your camera. Naturally, the $10-15 ones are pretty flimsy but are better than nothing and will probably come in handy somewhere like Disney - I plan on picking one up before my next trip, also.

Flash/hotshoe... internal flash is just that, a built-in flash, like pretty much everything. A hotshoe means that you can mount a separate flash unit on top, which will generally work better (and can cost a pretty penny.) Few people ever bother using them especially on a PnS camera, and I suspect that all the cameras you're looking at have hotshoes, so I wouldn't worry about that too much. It is worth noting that the SLR-like cameras often have a pop-up flash, which helps minimize red-eye. (The closer the flash is to the lens, the more likely you are to get red-eye.)
 
Groucho said:
I know the feeling - I'm going through the same thing trying to buy a ballhead for a monopod! Bleah!


Have you made a decision on one yet???? :rotfl: No sense in all of us spending our time trying to decide on which one to get when we can just have one of us go crazy :crazy:
 
DestinationDisney said:
Reviewers also mentioned that "it has chromatic aberration (purple/green fringing) especially at the telephoto end of the lens" and they saw "a lot of tele shots with purple fringing especially at the extreme end of the lens". What exactly does this mean?
The way I read it, it's quite possible to get some of those "fringe" colors when you're zoomed way in on a subject, not so likely to get them when you're not zoomed way in. I think they're more likely to show up in a picture with some very bright and some very dark areas - like a brightly-lit building with a black sky behind (you never see that at Disney, right? :) )

A problem specific that a few people reported was No RAW support, no USB control for time lapse photography (the S3IS has it), and no custom settings button (at least one not obvious). They also reported that there are some low light issues with the camera. Do you think these problems are worth eliminating this camera from my choices?
I wouldn't worry about RAW - that's nice if you're planning on spending time tweaking all your pictures in Photoshop, but good ol' JPG on the highest quality settings will be much more sensible for more consumers.

USB control for time lapse only matters if you're planning on taking time lapse photography. Unless you're an amateur astronomer or using it as a security camera, that's probably not such a big deal!

Low light issues are serious but it depends on what they are and how they compare to the other cameras you're considering. All PnS cameras are going to have a hard time in low light due to their smallish sensors, and many also have difficulty focusing (that's when the focus assist light is handy.)
 

mhutchinson said:
Have you made a decision on one yet???? :rotfl: No sense in all of us spending our time trying to decide on which one to get when we can just have one of us go crazy :crazy:
Actually, I'm currently planning on getting a Dynatran from eBay. They're sold by amnova.com and are basically inexpensive knockoffs of pro equipment - probably not as good as a "real" Bogen, for example, but way less expensive! People seem to be fairly happy with their stuff from there from what I can find. I'm probably going to buy the first one of any of the models (H91, H92, H95, H96) that I can get for under $20 shipped. Most go for some but some auctions do end cheaply and there are several listed each day. I'm not in a huge rush and am extremely tight-fisted, so I can be patient!

Of course, if you're being sarcastic and don't really care about ball heads, that's OK too. :thumbsup2
 
Thank you for the information on the tripod, I'll most likely go out and buy one before our trip. But first I need to buy the camera! :rolleyes:

Master Mason said:
The Hot Shoe allows you to use an external flash, it will fire at the same time as your camera. Most internal flashes are fairly weak, so if you more than 15 feet away or so, they are worthless. External flashes will give you more light, and work over a greater distance.

So, does this mean that if I don't have an external flash, my night pictures won't come out well? Does flash mostly help with indoor/dim lit pictures, or outdoor?

Would you recommend I get an external flash?

I still don't have an external flash for mine, but luckily for me, Christmas is only 108 days from now :) :banana:

Well...aren't you lucky!!! :woohoo:
 
Hi there Groucho...

Geez, I never realized something like a ballhead could cost a lot of money. I would think the tripod itself would be the most costly, but I'm wrong! This certainly is an expensive hobby!

a tripod may result in many dirty looks due to the crowded conditions!

Do you mean "dirty looks" from the people around you in the park? Or are you talking about "noise"? (man, I really need to get updated on the lingo here!)

I'm sory to tell you, but I've eliminated the Fuji from my top choices :sad2: I forget why (my brain hurts by now), but I think my other choices seemed better than the Fuji.

I'll have to keep buy.com in mind...never heard of them before, but maybe I'll use them when it comes time to buy the tripod!

Flash/hotshoe... internal flash is just that, a built-in flash, like pretty much everything. A hotshoe means that you can mount a separate flash unit on top, which will generally work better (and can cost a pretty penny.) Few people ever bother using them especially on a PnS camera, and I suspect that all the cameras you're looking at have hotshoes, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

So you don't recommend me getting a camera with a hotshoe so I can get an external flash?
 
Groucho said:
Actually, I'm currently planning on getting a Dynatran from eBay. They're sold by amnova.com and are basically inexpensive knockoffs of pro equipment - probably not as good as a "real" Bogen, for example, but way less expensive! People seem to be fairly happy with their stuff from there from what I can find. I'm probably going to buy the first one of any of the models (H91, H92, H95, H96) that I can get for under $20 shipped. Most go for some but some auctions do end cheaply and there are several listed each day. I'm not in a huge rush and am extremely tight-fisted, so I can be patient!

Of course, if you're being sarcastic and don't really care about ball heads, that's OK too. :thumbsup2


:rotfl: :lmao: :rotfl2:

That is actually one seller I had considered when I was looking at tripods. Shipping costs seemed sort of high and I went with a Monfrotto from B&H. But I totally agree that the prices look really good and so do the reviews on the monopods. I was looking to get one with a ball head as well, after getting the tripod I found I like that style much better.

Mike
 
DestinationDisney said:
So, does this mean that if I don't have an external flash, my night pictures won't come out well? Does flash mostly help with indoor/dim lit pictures, or outdoor?

Would you recommend I get an external flash?

The external would definately help indoors. Most outdoor night pictures you want to take, the flash would actually just mess up. With outdoor low light picts you tend to want to open the appature, and extend the time of exposure. This is where the tripod becomes indespensable. Outside an external would help with candids and close stuff but it would definately be low priority.....
 
Okay, after reading a lot of reviews, doing a ton of research, and giving it some thought...I've narrowed down my 5 (yes, 5 :blush: )cameras of choice.

If you don't mind me asking, I have a HUGE favor to ask of you "pros". I know I've already asked for a lot of information, pointers, and help on choosing a camera...but I think this will really help me out. Here goes:

I went to the website, dpreview.com, and made up a side-by-side comparison of the 5 select cameras that I'm interested in. If you just click THIS LINK it will show the side-by-side comparison and specifics of all 5 cameras.

I made an excel spreadsheet on my own with each of the cameras listed and the 'criteria' that I'm looking for in a camera...all of these cameras have met what I'm looking for. However, there are a TON of other features/specifics that are listed that I don't fully understand what everything means. I think it would be extremely helpful if you would take a little time to look at the comparison of cameras and let me know what you think.

I found all of these cameras at prices within my price range on pricegrabber.com, so that isn't an issue to me....its just selecting the right camera.


I can't thank all of you enough for the tremendous about of help and advice you've given me. I feel a lot more confident in choosing a camera than I did a few days ago. :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
 
DestinationDisney said:
Okay, after reading a lot of reviews, doing a ton of research, and giving it some thought...I've narrowed down my 5 (yes, 5 :blush: )cameras of choice.

If you don't mind me asking, I have a HUGE favor to ask of you "pros". I know I've already asked for a lot of information, pointers, and help on choosing a camera...but I think this will really help me out. Here goes:

I went to the website, dpreview.com, and made up a side-by-side comparison of the 5 select cameras that I'm interested in. If you just click THIS LINK it will show the side-by-side comparison and specifics of all 5 cameras.

I made an excel spreadsheet on my own with each of the cameras listed and the 'criteria' that I'm looking for in a camera...all of these cameras have met what I'm looking for. However, there are a TON of other features/specifics that are listed that I don't fully understand what everything means. I think it would be extremely helpful if you would take a little time to look at the comparison of cameras and let me know what you think.

I found all of these cameras at prices within my price range on pricegrabber.com, so that isn't an issue to me....its just selecting the right camera.


I can't thank all of you enough for the tremendous about of help and advice you've given me. I feel a lot more confident in choosing a camera than I did a few days ago. :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

All 5 look like good cameras...

Is there a Brick and Morter store anywhere near you where you can go and pick up each one... to see how it feels in your hands etc.... Sometimes just holding something you'll realize you don't like where a button is or something usefull like that...

I know on my XT I am forever bumping my nose on the back buttons.....


I thiink what it comes down to now is just which one do you like better.
 
DestinationDisney said:
Geez, I never realized something like a ballhead could cost a lot of money. I would think the tripod itself would be the most costly, but I'm wrong! This certainly is an expensive hobby!
It can be... remember the Hasselblad reference? Their pro-level digital camera goes for a cool $27,000! Oof!

"Good" ballheads seem to often cost $250-350... for that kind of money, I'd hope that it would come with a manservant to hold the monopod for me, too.

Do you mean "dirty looks" from the people around you in the park? Or are you talking about "noise"? (man, I really need to get updated on the lingo here!)
I mean dirty looks because in a crowd, people probably wouldn't appreciate if I start putting up a tripod, which can take up a fair amount of space on the ground in addition to my own body. The monopod is just a long, collapsable tube that takes up virtually no extra space in a crowd.

So you don't recommend me getting a camera with a hotshoe so I can get an external flash?
There's no harm in having it, and probably the ones you're considering will all have it. But you will probably not use it.

An external flash is nice but it's a bit of a luxury. (And yes, those are proprietary. You won't be using a Canon flash on a Sony, for example.) I'd definitely playing with the camera a while before considering a flash - you'll probably find that the built-in is "good enough".

I probably can't help much with the final decision - when I bought my 12x zoom PnS, the Panasonic and the Minolta were the only two 12x zoom/anti-shake SLR-style cameras available for a decent price.
 
mhutchinson said:
:rotfl: :lmao: :rotfl2:

That is actually one seller I had considered when I was looking at tripods. Shipping costs seemed sort of high and I went with a Monfrotto from B&H. But I totally agree that the prices look really good and so do the reviews on the monopods. I was looking to get one with a ball head as well, after getting the tripod I found I like that style much better.

Mike
Yeah, I find it amusing that even with the more expensive shipping, you can often find a carbon fiber monopod with magnesium ballhead for about the same as just a magnesium ballhead... eBay auctions are funny that way. I almost considered getting that, even though a friend gave me an old Bogen monopod, just to save weight - but now I'm thinking I'm going to just get one of the cheap ones for under $20 (instead of one of the fancier ones for $40-50) and see if that doesn't do the job. It's not like I'm putting a 10-lb camera on the thing!

I did also just get a Clamperpod, which is kind of neat, but fairly useless without a ballhead, so I'm anticipating using the head on both devices.
 
DestinationDisney said:
I made an excel spreadsheet on my own with each of the cameras listed and the 'criteria' that I'm looking for in a camera...all of these cameras have met what I'm looking for.

Congrats and you did all this without driving your co-workers crazy (as I had done) :rotfl2:

From the choices you have narrowed down, I would be faced with the similar decission I had many years ago between the Canon and the Sony :confused3

Mike
 














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