Local Disney Store - no bags!!!

[AurumPunzel]

Most stores here (everyone from Wal-Mart to Nordstrom) have been charging for at last a year, maybe more. I just pay for the convenience because at $0.05/each, the cost is minuscule. I haven’t reduced my consumption any, maybe it’s actually increased because the ultra-thin bags sometimes need to be doubled. My local neighbourhood grocer is going to paper on Jan. 1 and I’m interested to see them. I am a re-user of the plastic bags and I wonder if the paper ones will be so versatile?

Paper has always been designed to only have a single use, so unless the bags are made strong enough and have waterproofing/reinforcing, they won't be as versatile as plastic, which then goes back to the age-old argument of paper vs plastic, particularly if ordinances start to backfire on the waste front. What's the bet that all these bag bans are going to cause a huge increase in paper waste, and thus more pollution from paper mills?

 

[disneychrista]

I wonder if the paper ones will be so versatile?

I love the paper bags because they stand up right and you can stack things like clothes for goodwill, etc in them. I will also use them as a trash can. It was great when we were grooming the dog.

The cheap "one time use" plastic bags were pretty useless for most reusing, as the seems were always split, splitting by the time you brought them in.

 

[disneychrista]

Paper has always been designed to only have a single use, so unless the bags are made strong enough and have waterproofing/reinforcing, they won't be as versatile as plastic, which then goes back to the age-old argument of paper vs plastic, particularly if ordinances start to backfire on the waste front. What's the bet that all these bag bans are going to cause a huge increase in paper waste, and thus more pollution from paper mills?

I disagree. And have found the paper bags much more reusable vs the cheap thin one time use plastic bags.

 

[ronandannette]

I love the paper bags because they stand up right and you can stack things like clothes for goodwill, etc in them. I will also use them as a trash can. It was great when we were grooming the dog.

The cheap "one time use" plastic bags were pretty useless for most reusing, as the seems were always split, splitting by the time you brought them in.

They’ve become increasingly less functional - the corners of boxes poke right through them and the handles break without warning. This is why they’re often double, negating any reduction in consumption.

 

[AurumPunzel]

I disagree. And have found the paper bags much more reusable vs the cheap thin one time use plastic bags.

I've never had a single lightweight plastic bag fail on me except for loose produce bags my supermarket used to do before they went completely bagless on them. Now I'm forced to take a reusable Chinese net bag, which is an absolute pain in the backside because that's yet another bag I need to lug around, and I can easily loose them. Most paper bags I've had just ripped after repeated use, and because of the climate of where I live, they end up becoming like chocolate teapots in the rain, so I'd have to have a plastic bag handy incase I have the misfortune of ending up with paper. My fingers don't like paper that much either, since I can clumsily hit the sharp edge without looking and end up with a deep, bloody paper cut, depending on how thick the paper is.

 

[Searc]

I disagree. And have found the paper bags much more reusable vs the cheap thin one time use plastic bags.

Our plastic bags are always reused, paper never.

 

[paisleys]

Oddly enough, it seems like having a car is a little included in this. Such as, I live in a city and I walk or take the subway everywhere. For me, the plastic bags that stores give/gave out with some items simply don't cut it. Using reusable shopping bags is more efficient and easier to carry, so whenever I plan to go shopping, I have one on me. You'll find many people who do many of their errands on foot have backpacks or cross-body bags that would also fit small purchases.

My hometown just recently started banning plastic bags. It doesn't really effect my parents at all, as they have had reusable bags in their cars for years. It's kinda nice when you can just start doing something, get into a habit and then adapting to small changes doesn't throw you for a total loop.

I have used canvas ones for my groceries for decades and now use the little nylon ones that fold into a tiny bundle for other shopping, including at WDW. It's such an easy thing to keep them in your purse. The canvas grocery bags have always been fantastic as they don't break, hold a lot, washing machine safe and fold Ito a small bundle in my trunk. Like you said, it's an easy habit.

 

[kaytieeldr]

The frequency of legislation being passed does come across as

Eight states in five years is frequent?

And it's all because of one emotive nature documentary

Citation? Because this country has been concerned about saving the environment for over 50 years (see First Earth Day of Earth Day History.) No idea where the idea that this movement was started by one emotive documentary

but what I'm talking about is minor, petty issues that have become more amplified thanks to the medium of the internet. For example, people didn't complain about a 1987 Irish Christmas song

No idea what this means but in apparently(?) a similar vein, 1944's Baby It's Cold Outside is just now being cited as encouraging date rape.

or those with mobility issues who are going to find carrying around reusable bags to be a nightmare,

Thank you for your unsolicited and misplaced concern.

not to mention those with weak immune systems who are going to be vulnerable to infections borne from reusable bags?

Reusable bags can be cleaned, and somebody with weak immune systems who reuse disposable bags would be subject to the same danger.

My issue is that bans never take into account those who are less able,

You know this how? Or is this another unsupported opinion? Do you .know every. single. "less able" person in world? Or the country? Or even your state?

and are being passed as if such people don't matter

People matter, but bluntly, people die. The earth is forever. Well, if we start taking better care of it.

those who are able to and support such moves are going to be the ones who feel morally superior.

What in the world is the source of this judgmental statement? Morally superior? :rotfl2 :rotfl2 :rotfl :rotfl

suffering as a result of a fad of switching to paper.

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I've never had a single lightweight plastic bag fail on me except

Speaks for itself. Even if it was only once, it wasn't never.

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It's such an easy thing to keep them in your purse

Or, in the case of the bags that food into a pouch, they fit in a pocket. Or attach to a keychain. Or in the palm of a hand. Definitely in a glove compartment or cupholder.

 

[azdisneylover]

I love the grocery plastic bags. We reuse them in many ways in our home and vehicles. trash bags in the home and vehicles, pet poop pick up, temporary glove, turn into plarn, etc. I find it ironic that there are bans on plastic bags by some stores, yet, some of the same stores SELL plastic bags (garbage bags, food storage bags, etc).

Since we visit Starbucks frequently during the year, I save the Starbucks paper bags and "wrap" our number game presents in them. I write "GAME" on the bag and set aside in the present closet. (I also save other larger bags from other establishments too for other game presents that do not fit into the Starbucks bag). As for the drink carriers, we reuse those until they break. We do this for Starbucks and Dutch Bros.

I too, saved all of my Disney bags because of how pretty they are/were. When I am at Disneyland, I want a bag for my items because I carry a very small purse or wear a fanny pack with enough room for a few necessary items. Disney charging for bags, and getting rid of straws and cup lids comes across as another way to make $$$$ off of people. If they truly wanted to help the environment, Disney should quit selling the balloons in the parks, demand from their suppliers for environmental friendly packaging, etc. Balloons are one of those items that kids see and beg their parents for when they are in the parks. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[AurumPunzel]

Eight states in five years is frequent?

Citation? Because this country has been concerned about saving the environment for over 50 years (see First Earth Day of Earth Day History.) No idea where the idea that this movement was started by one emotive documentary

No idea what this means but in apparently(?) a similar vein, 1944's Baby It's Cold Outside is just now being cited as encouraging date rape.

Thank you for your unsolicited and misplaced concern.

Reusable bags can be cleaned, and somebody with weak immune systems who reuse disposable bags would be subject to the same danger.

You know this how? Or is this another unsupported opinion? Do you .know every. single. "less able" person in world? Or the country? Or even your state?

People matter, but bluntly, people die. The earth is forever. Well, if we start taking better care of it.

What in the world is the source of this judgmental statement? Morally superior? :rotfl2 :rotfl2 :rotfl :rotfl
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Speaks for itself. Even if it was only once, it wasn't never.

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Or, in the case of the bags that food into a pouch, they fit in a pocket. Or attach to a keychain. Or in the palm of a hand. Definitely in a glove compartment or cupholder.

Try speaking to concerned disabled people who feel that plastic bans will harm their living standards and then you'll see why they will struggle, before you claim that everyone matters. Sadly, it's coming across to me that they don't.

As for what nature documentary, it's Sir David Attenborough's Blue Planet II. That highlighted the issue of plastic pollution in the ocean's, and put the whole anti-plastic movement into overdrive. However, too many solutions involve inconvenience and increased living costs, and not real technological solutions that are practical and actively remove pollution. There's a young inventor who's managed to come up with a machine that scoops up the waste from the oceans, but no-one's really talked about it that much. Only some young teenage Swedish girl who just travels around the world in a yacht to scream at politicians seems to get more publicity.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Try speaking to concerned disabled people who feel that plastic bans will harm their living standards and then you'll see why they will struggle, before you claim that everyone matters. Sadly, it's coming across to me that they don't.

I'm disabled. I have no concerns about reusable bags. I am speaking with a colleague later today and will ask about their concerns about reusable bags. I have two general meetings next month, again with djsabled persons, and will poll them as well.

As for what nature documentary, it's Sir David Attenborough's Blue Planet II. That highlighted the issue of plastic pollution in the ocean's, and put the whole anti-plastic movement into overdrive.

You are referring to a two year old movie, which, while certainly highlighting the problem, was predated by several years by bag restrictions; by almost 50 years by Earth Day, and by about 150 years by environmental concerns in general.

However, too many solutions involve inconvenience

The world does not exist for our convenience. Kudos to anyone wose entire life is convenient.

and not real technological solutions that are practical and actively remove pollution. There's a young inventor who's managed to come up with a machine that scoops up the waste from the oceans, but no-one's really talked about it that much.

I actually hadn't heard about it at all, so idid a little research. How effective has it been in the six or so years since it was invented?

Only some young teenage Swedish girl who just travels around the world in a yacht to scream at politicians seems to get more publicity.

A "60-foot, carbon-neutral Malizia II sailboat" is not a yacht. You want her to, what? Swim? Walk on water?

We hear about Thunberg because she was just named Time's Person of the Year.

 

[monsterkitty]

Try speaking to concerned disabled people who feel that plastic bans will harm their living standards and then you'll see why they will struggle, before you claim that everyone matters. Sadly, it's coming across to me that they don't.

As for what nature documentary, it's Sir David Attenborough's Blue Planet II. That highlighted the issue of plastic pollution in the ocean's, and put the whole anti-plastic movement into overdrive. However, too many solutions involve inconvenience and increased living costs, and not real technological solutions that are practical and actively remove pollution. There's a young inventor who's managed to come up with a machine that scoops up the waste from the oceans, but no-one's really talked about it that much. Only some young teenage Swedish girl who just travels around the world in a yacht to scream at politicians seems to get more publicity.

You mean the teen who has Asperger's, which is on the autism spectrum? Yes, I do wonder how being forced to use reusable bags instead of plastic bags worked for her...

I find that using my canvas reusable bags way easier than the cheap plastic bags. When shopping in a mall and I forget my canvas bags, I will plan where I shop first. I will go to a store that has the bigger bags of paper then go to stores that use plastic. Instead of getting a few plastic bags at those stores, I will just place my purchases in the larger bag. Really not that hard to do.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Instead of getting a few plastic bags at those stores, I will just place my purchases in the larger bag. Really not that hard to do.

That's kinda something lots of us do nowadays and have in the past. I guess one could say that reduces plastic consumption there without a ban or paid aspect as we don't always get a plastic bag for every items purchased we just combine into existing bags--hey I'm doing something 'good' aren't I

 

[AurumPunzel]

You mean the teen who has Asperger's, which is on the autism spectrum? Yes, I do wonder how being forced to use reusable bags instead of plastic bags worked for her...

I find that using my canvas reusable bags way easier than the cheap plastic bags. When shopping in a mall and I forget my canvas bags, I will plan where I shop first. I will go to a store that has the bigger bags of paper then go to stores that use plastic. Instead of getting a few plastic bags at those stores, I will just place my purchases in the larger bag. Really not that hard to do.

She probably does that already, or at least reuses her country's invention, which we're talking about here. The funny thing was that plastic bags were originally invented as a reusable bag back in 1959, when Sten Gustaf Thulin of the plastics company Celloplast, wanted to solve the problem of paper consumption by coming up with a versatile bag that can easily fold up in pockets, and can withstand many uses. The only reason why they ended up becoming the conflated 'single-use' item was because an American company found a way of making them cheaper to produce by decreasing the thickness and switching the density of polyethylene, thus resulting in their increased consumption. However, even a 'single-use' bag can still be reused.

And I tend to do the same at the mall: use bigger plastic bags to amalgamate multiple purchases to save on bags, and in case I'm outdoors and I end up with paper bags, which I can't stand due to their weaknesses.

 

[disneychrista]

I've never had a single lightweight plastic bag fail on me except for loose produce bags

I have had the opposite experience. The produce bags (which are still available around here) have never had the seams split on me.

Our plastic bags are always reused, paper never.

On the rare occasion someone in the house gets a paper bag at the store, those are always reusable. The plastic ones that used to be available rarely were due to structural issues (split seam)

 

[kaytieeldr]

by coming up with a versatile bag that can easily fold up in pockets,

Except, it rarely is. Those of you complaining about bans on plastic, truth: how many times do you reuse a plastic shopping bag by folding it up, placing it in a pocket, bringing it to a store, and placing your purchases in it?

 

[ronandannette]

Except, it rarely is. Those of you complaining about bans on plastic, truth: how many times do you reuse a plastic shopping bag by folding it up, placing it in a pocket, bringing it to a store, and placing your purchases in it?

Never - never even once. I use them for hauling things back and forth between places, packing my lunch for work, picking up garbage, sorting and storing things around the house, as cushioning for items when I ship or mail them and lots of other things like that. I wonder what I will use instead when plastic grocery bags are no longer widely available.

 

[AurumPunzel]

Except, it rarely is.

You've skimmed over what I said. They only became that conflated 'single-use' item when they became lighter and cheaper to produce, and when stores were able to freely dish them out, people thought less of reusing them.

 

[disneychrista]

I wonder what I will use instead when plastic grocery bags are no longer widely available.

A reusable bag? well expect for maybe the trash and cushioning.

 

[EveDallas]

I love the grocery plastic bags. We reuse them in many ways in our home and vehicles. trash bags in the home and vehicles, pet poop pick up, temporary glove, turn into plarn, etc. I find it ironic that there are bans on plastic bags by some stores, yet, some of the same stores SELL plastic bags (garbage bags, food storage bags, etc).

Since we visit Starbucks frequently during the year, I save the Starbucks paper bags and "wrap" our number game presents in them. I write "GAME" on the bag and set aside in the present closet. (I also save other larger bags from other establishments too for other game presents that do not fit into the Starbucks bag). As for the drink carriers, we reuse those until they break. We do this for Starbucks and Dutch Bros.

I too, saved all of my Disney bags because of how pretty they are/were. When I am at Disneyland, I want a bag for my items because I carry a very small purse or wear a fanny pack with enough room for a few necessary items. Disney charging for bags, and getting rid of straws and cup lids comes across as another way to make $$$$ off of people. If they truly wanted to help the environment, Disney should quit selling the balloons in the parks, demand from their suppliers for environmental friendly packaging, etc. Balloons are one of those items that kids see and beg their parents for when they are in the parks. Out of sight, out of mind.

I so agree about the balloons. But that would COST Disney money and they only seem to be "green" about the things that SAVE them money.