Live Kittens as Bait?!?

I will give you the "worms don't feel "pain" as a "reasonable" difference between using the kitten as bait vs a worm for bait. But what about the fish that is drug from their underwater world and made to basically suffacte to death, so it can in turn be eatten? Does it not now suffer, studies have show that fish do infact feel pain?

And what about it being okay to kill some animals for food but not others? Why is it okay to kill a chicken, cow etc but not a kitten, dog etc??
 
Originally posted by caitycaity
so if the kittens were humanely killed and then used as bait, people wouldn't have a problem with it?

I personally wouldn't have a problem with it in that case.
 
afr :p

sausages sound good. i'll have to go fry some up for din-din. :teeth:
 
Originally posted by caitycaity
so if the kittens were humanely killed and then used as bait, people wouldn't have a problem with it?

If they got euthanized kittens from their equivalent of the Humane Society or SPCA then no, I wouldn't. If they were breeding cats in order to obtain kittens for bait and then humanely killing them themselves, I'll admit I'd have more a problem with it and I'll also admit it is the cuteness factor. I'd have less of a problem with it if the fish they were catching was being used for food-- although I see that it is competing for their food. I am conflicted on it.

But you are asking a what if-- they don't use dead kittens. They use live kittens as live bait.
 

donna, i was unclear about the article. sometimes "live" bait is killed right before hooking it. i agree that throwing kittens overboard without killing them first is not humane.
 
Originally posted by caitycaity
donna, i was unclear about the article. sometimes "live" bait is killed right before hooking it. i agree that throwing kittens overboard without killing them first is not humane.

Is it? I'm not a fisherman, but to me live is live. They should stop calling freshly killed bait "live." It is much too confusing. LOL
 
well i'm not a fishing professional, but sometimes my dad and i used freshly killed bait (no not kittens) and he always referred to it as "live." i really have no clue. :p
 
Originally posted by RoutemanDan
I agree about the calves caity,horrible what is done to them.

Veal: A Cruel Meal

The veal calf industry is one of the most reprehensible of all the kinds of intensive animal agriculture.

A Fate Worse Than Death

Male calves used for veal are taken from their mothers one or two days after birth. They are chained inside tiny crates barely larger than their bodies and are usually kept in darkness, except to be fed two or three times a day for 20 minutes.

During their brief lives, they never see the sun or touch the earth. They never see or taste the grass. Their anemic bodies crave proper sustenance. Their muscles ache for freedom and exercise. They long for maternal care. About 14 weeks after their birth, they are slaughtered.

Solitary Confinement

The veal calf’s permanent home is a veal crate, a wooden restraining device that is so small (22 inches by 54 inches) that the calves cannot turn around. Designed to prevent movement (exercise), the crate does its job of atrophying the calves’ muscles, thus producing tender “gourmet” veal. The calves often suffer from open sores caused by the constant rubbing against the crates.

In 1996, the European Union voted to ban the veal crate across Europe; it will be phased out over 10 years. By 2007, this cruel contraption will be gone from Europe for good. Yet it is still perfectly legal in the United States.

“Feeding” Time

The calves are generally fed a milk substitute intentionally lacking in iron and other essential nutrients. This diet keeps the animals anemic and creates the pale pink or white color considered desirable in veal. Craving iron, the calves lick urine-saturated slats and any metallic parts of their stalls. Farmers also withhold water from the animals, who, always thirsty, are driven to drink a large quantity of the high-fat liquid feed.

Because of such extremely unhealthy living conditions and restricted diets, calves are susceptible to a long list of diseases, including chronic pneumonia and “scours,” or constant diarrhea. Consequently, they must be given massive doses of antibiotics and other drugs just to keep them alive. The antibiotics are passed on to consumers in the meat—and that’s not all that’s passed along.

Federal agents have found more than a dozen veal production companies giving calves clenbuterol, a dangerous and illegal drug that speeds growth and increases anemia in the calves, producing more expensive white meat.(1) Calves treated with clenbuterol can be sold for slaughter at 12 to 13 weeks, rather than the standard 16 weeks. Even trace amounts of clenbuterol can cause severe illness in humans, including increased heart rate, tremors, breathing difficulties, fever—even death.

The Dairy Connection

Veal calves are a byproduct of the dairy industry; they are produced by dairy cows, who are kept constantly pregnant to keep milk production high. Their female calves are raised to be living milk machines like their mothers—confined, fed synthetic hormones and antibiotics, artificially inseminated, and slaughtered after their milk production drops—or they are slaughtered for the rennet in their stomachs (used to make commercial cheese). Since male calves cannot produce milk, they are often taken away from their mothers at 1 or 2 days old and put into crates to be killed for veal. The milk that nature meant for them ends up on our supermarket shelves instead.

What You Can Do

• Reflecting on the fate of a calf raised for veal, author John Robbins writes: “[T]oday, because of the way animals are raised for market, the question of whether or not to eat meat has a whole new meaning, and a whole new urgency. Never before have animals been treated like this. Never before has such deep, unrelenting and systematic cruelty been mass produced. Never before has the decision of each individual been so important.”(2) Don’t buy or eat veal, and tell friends, relatives, and neighbors why.
• Tell restaurant managers about veal cruelties, and ask them to remove veal from their menus.
• Don’t buy or eat dairy products because of the dairy industry’s role in veal production.
• Ask your state legislators to sponsor bills that would prohibit the use of veal crates.

References

(1) Daniel P. Puzo, “Probe Links Toxic Drug to Some Veal Producers,” Los Angeles Times, 14 Oct. 1994, p. A4.
(2) John Robbins, Diet for a New America (Walpole, N.H.: Stillpoint Publishing, 1987), p. 121.
 
I almost didn't read this thread, the title alone is awful. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that someone would actually do this.:mad: :(
 
I fished professionally for awhile, hand lining for yellowtail. We'd be out for 5 - 7 days. I never used 'live" bait, but our bait and chum was made from live stuff that we captured. I could never hook a live kitten and toss it overboard as bait. That would be too creepy.
There does seem to be a problem with those invasive giant 'catfish' and they seem to be killing every native species in the river. They even are known to try and topple anglers boats. Wow, that is a fish that really has to be curtailed before it ruins the whole ecosystem of the Po river, from animals that live in it to the fishermen that make a living from it.
 


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