Line etiquette

[buffy0214]

Considerate, yes; Tolerant of queue avoidance, no. It's a consideration that would be too readily abused by miscreants if such abuse could be undertaken with impunity. Folks who have trouble with queues must either learn about special assistance passes, or find a way to manage navigating the queues with everyone else.

I have only once had someone cut in line where I thought it was rude (at Disney). Perhaps it is just because I tend to go on the off season.

Do you really believe that most people abuse others considerations? I know that they are out there but I've rarely run into them at Disney. I was just saying that sometimes there can be another reason other than a young child that needs to go to the restroom. I would hope we can remember that "we're on vacation".



I believe it is very narrow minded to say if people have trouble with queues that they MUST learn about special assistance passes.

 

[buffy0214]

(Note: I'm not saying this was not your experience, just that it may not have been what you thought it was).

I'm sure you are correct. As we have never had to have handicap access before we assumed that in most instances we would be "cutting" the line. Our party simply wanted to stay together when at the regular queue. I don't get why some people on this thread think it is so wrong for someone who had trouble walking to join with their party when it is easier for them.

 

[Disneyolic]

In my earlier post I may have come off as totally a "badbutt" in not letting anyone cut in front of me. I want to go on the record to say that I have let people ahead. For instance, last time a father with his young son went by us to join his party. No problem. I'm sure that was a potty break or what not. I think most of the problems I have ever had was with teenagers. That I cannot tolerate. They are usually also the ones who try to "sneak by" you in the line as the line weaves. I have had to outstretch my arms on some occasions when I saw that coming.

In the most part, the cutting has not happened too many times lately for us, thankfully, but we have also gone in the off season. Guess we'll have to see what happens when we go in peak time at the end of June.

 

[gardendame]

Could it be possible that the guide book suggesting this was describing the "baby swap" I have seen people on these boards referring too?

On our recent trip in November, we experienced a quite a few "cutters" - actually, the same family attempted to do this at several different attractions where we were They were only successful once! The other times, the crowd refused to let them pass! It was amazing to see the complete strangers band together and speak up!

 

[Sarah7401]

I haven't read any guidebooks that advise sending one person to stand in line and then everyone join them.

It was in the Unofficial Guide to WDW 2007 and it's called the Chuck Bubba Relay.

 

[englishrose47]

Perhaps the explanation can be found here: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1371748

Or maybe in the Unofficial Guide which explains the Hail Mary pass. Of course people think that's okay!!I planned to use it on Dumbo with me waiting in line so DGS could ride again , but I wouldn't be riding so I wouldn't take anyones place or hold up the line and yes I plan on getting fastpasses while all 4 of them are in line ; probably for a ride I wont go on1 I really don't think that is so terrible . However if I stood in line for the 4 of them that would be wrongAm I going to get flamed for this ??

 

[englishrose47]

While it is true that Disney has special passes, not everyone knows about them nor uses them. My DH threw his back out on our last trip. He rode around in the electric scooters but when it came to standing in line he just didn't feel right about going to the front of the line even though we were always offered it. He prefered to sit until I got close and then join me.

I understand that there are rude people out there but perhaps we could be considerate of others who might have problems that we don't know about.

Good point DD has major back problems and could well have to sit long before the average person. I would hope people would understand this type of situation is way differnt to 20 teens rushing up to cut ahead with their 1 friend!!

 

[bicker]

It's a consideration that would be too readily abused by miscreants if such abuse could be undertaken with impunity.

Do you really believe that most people abuse others considerations?

I think you misread my comment. I said nothing of the sort.

I was just saying that sometimes there can be another reason other than a young child that needs to go to the restroom.

What are you referring to?

I believe it is very narrow minded to say if people have trouble with queues that they MUST learn about special assistance passes.

Yes, I agree. Folks who have trouble with queues must either learn about special assistance passes, or find a way to manage navigating the queues with everyone else. Remember, the objective of queues is to assert fairness and minimize abuse, and given what we know of recent trends in human behavior (today, for way too many guests, it's all about "me, me, me"), allowing each person in the queue to decide for themselves whether they should be allowed to cut in line is impractical.

 

[Disneyolic]

It was in the Unofficial Guide to WDW 2007 and it's called the Chuck Bubba Relay.

I knew I saw it somewhere. The Unofficial Guide is a BIGGIE! I know that Len Testa, one of the ?editors? of the book used to frequent the DISboards. If this is the book that really states the "family cutting procedures" then it may be a good idea if people wrote into the book. I know the book really wants people's input.

 

[beattyfamily]

I knew I saw it somewhere. The Unofficial Guide is a BIGGIE! I know that Len Testa, one of the ?editors? of the book used to frequent the DISboards. If this is the book that really states the "family cutting procedures" then it may be a good idea if people wrote into the book. I know the book really wants people's input.

Just to be clear on exactly what the "Chuck Bubba Relay' involves: they say have one parent go in the line for Dumbo, while the other parent goes in the line several groups back; after the first parent rides with the child, he will then pass the child to the second parent so the child can ride again with the second parent. This is probably the only ride line where this Chuck Bubba Relay system is even possible.

I'm not endorsing it or saying its right (I actually wouldn't do it myself). Just wanted to explain what it was regards to the subject of line cutting.

 

[Disneyolic]

Just to be clear on exactly what the "Chuck Bubba Relay' involves: they say have one parent go in the line for Dumbo, while the other parent goes in the line several groups back; after the first parent rides with the child, he will then pass the child to the second parent so the child can ride again with the second parent. This is probably the only ride line where this Chuck Bubba Relay system is even possible.

I'm not endorsing it or saying its right (I actually wouldn't do it myself). Just wanted to explain what it was regards to the subject of line cutting.

I'll have to do more research but I do remember DISTINCTLY that one book says that there are places that one parent can wait while others do whatever, then they can cut in line. I believe Splash Mountain was one of the rides it mentioned. It was not what you are describing as the Dumbo ride one as I do remember that one too. I thought I saw it in WDW for Kids by Mary ?somebody? but I'm not totally sure.

 

[beattyfamily]

I'll have to do more research but I do remember DISTINCTLY that one book says that there are places that one parent can wait while others do whatever, then they can cut in line. I believe Splash Mountain was one of the rides it mentioned. It was not what you are describing as the Dumbo ride one as I do remember that one too. I thought I saw it in WDW for Kids by Mary ?somebody? but I'm not totally sure.

Wow, that's really bad then.

I was only describing the Chuck Bubba Relay since that is what another poster was talking about being in one of the guide books.

If another guide book is actually saying what you have read, then yes, that is rediculous.

 

[englishrose47]

Again I think being reasonable is the key!I think everyone agrees 1 person holding the place for several others is not acceptable, rude etc. Maaybe if more people NICELY said NO to these people a few might get the hint. I don't have a problem with 1 person going for FP for another ride or 1 person leaving ?joining party and I wouldn't be upset if someone did it. Same for parades If I find a spot 1 hour before and at least half of party stays while others do potty breaks , snax etc I don't see anything wrong. But to lay out a blanket come on that is #1 going to be ignored and #2 is wrong

 

[bicker]

If this is the book that really states the "family cutting procedures" then it may be a good idea if people wrote into the book.

I've had several problems with the Unofficial Guide. It has wrapped some really bad advice in the guise of irreverence. I hope the editors come to their senses and temper their rhetoric a bit, and stop advocating bad behavior.

 

[SueM in MN]

I'll have to do more research but I do remember DISTINCTLY that one book says that there are places that one parent can wait while others do whatever, then they can cut in line. I believe Splash Mountain was one of the rides it mentioned. It was not what you are describing as the Dumbo ride one as I do remember that one too. I thought I saw it in WDW for Kids by Mary ?somebody? but I'm not totally sure.

I don't think it's in the WDW for Kids (that book is meant more for kids, rather than advice for parents).

The 'Chuck Bubba Relay' has been in the Unofficial Guide for many years and works the way beattyfamily described.
I have a 1992 UG that mentions it and a number of attractions it will work at (there were 6 listed, including Mr. Toad, which no longer exists). The book gave the number of people the second adult had to be behind the first adult in line in order to pass the child between them. Both adults are actually waiting in line the whole time and just passing the child from one parent to the other. According to the description, it may involve the adult who has just ridden waiting in the exit for the line with the other adult to come close enough to the exit to hand the child off (if lots of people were doing that, it could clog up the exit).

They also desribed the "Hail Mary Pass" and lists attractions where that is possible. I'm sure that's what you read.
Here's a quote copied from the 1992 UG:
When waiting, certain lines are configured in such a way as to allow you and your smaller children to pass under the rail to join your partner just before the actual boarding or entry. This technique allows the kids and one adult to rest, snack, cool off, or tinkle, while another adult or older sibling does the waiting. Other guests are very understanding when it comes to using this strategy to keep small children content. You are likely to meet hostile oppositions, however, if you try to pass older children or more than one adult under the rail.

It then goes on to list attractions where the 'Hail Mary Pass' is possible. I imagine that the current UG has the same text about how to do it, but just has an updated list of attractions where it is possible.

 

[SueM in MN]

I've had several problems with the Unofficial Guide. It has wrapped some really bad advice in the guise of irreverence. I hope the editors come to their senses and temper their rhetoric a bit, and stop advocating bad behavior.

I agree with you bicker.

 

[Disneyolic]

I don't think it's in the WDW for Kids (that book is meant more for kids, rather than advice for parents).

They also desribed the "Hail Mary Pass" and lists attractions where that is possible. I'm sure that's what you read.
Here's a quote from the 1992 UG:
When waiting, certain lines are configured in such a way as to allow you and your smaller children to pass under the rail to join your partner just before the actual boarding or entry. This technique allows the kids and one adult to rest, snack, cool off, or tinkle, while another adult or older sibling does the waiting. Other guests are very understanding when it comes to using this strategy to keep small children content. You are likely to meet hostile oppositions, however, if you try to pass older children or more than one adult under the rail.
It then goes on to list attractions where the 'Hail Mary Pass' is possible. I imagine that the current UG has the same text about how to do it, but just has an updated list of attractions where it is possible.

Yes. It was the "Hail Mary Pass". That is the one I was thinking of. That was from the Unofficial Guide?

 

[SueM in MN]

Yes. It was the "Hail Mary Pass". That is the one I was thinking of. That was from the Unofficial Guide?

yes.
I typed it in exactly as it was printed in the 1992 copy I still have.

 

[KimKamMom]

I totally agree that it is okay to take a child or adult (you never know someones health condition) to the restroom. However, large groups entering after we have been waiting in the hot sun is just unacceptable.
I also agree that we need to teach our children patience. They need to learn to wait. I must admit my strategy. I did it last year and will do it again in April. I purchased a "Tomagatchi" (hand held electronic toy) for each of my DDs. I presented to them at the airport. It made waiting for the plane, the plane ride, and long lines far more enjoyable for DH and me. It's not my most proud parenting moment...buy hey...no whining!!!!

I do have a question and would like some opinions. How does everyone feel about one member of a party leaving the line to bring back a bottle of water for everyone to share on the really hot days?

 

[Disneyolic]

I do have a question and would like some opinions. How does everyone feel about one member of a party leaving the line to bring back a bottle of water for everyone to share on the really hot days?

That doesn't sound bad but if it's only a bottle of water and you know it's a very hot day, why wouldn't you get the water before you get in line?