line cutting

[KellyNY]

I think I can accurately describe what is wrong with you here. I believe the testosterone that should be located about 1 foot below your waistline has moved about a foot above your neck and is having some serious effects on your mental capacity.... Sorry dude, as much as I may or may not agree with you, this has to be one of the most (if not the most) pathetic and threatening post I have ever seen here on the DIS.

Drinking tea and reading Dis is bad, bad, bad thing for my laptop, why do I keep forgeting this...

 

[OandA]

Another park near me has security guards in line on raised platforms monitoring the line looking for line cutters. I know Disney won't do that but it would be great if they did.

I disagree. First of all that would be expensive and make the parks cost more. Secondly it would significantly take away from the magic and be slightly eerie. I want to feel like I am at Disney, not a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay.

 

[d-r]

like
"d-r", who after intentionally separating himself from his family by not entering the line with them, decides that now whoever blocks his path while he is cutting in line is in the wrong and will be going to jail. To openly threaten & call out and invite other people here to meet up and fight? That person definitely needs some anger management.

I didn't say any of this.

You said you would try to physically separate me from my three-year-old daughter.

If you mean physically separate you by just standing in line and not moving then YOU are the one who has chosen to "physically" separate yourself from your child not me.

 

[OandA]

I didn't say any of this.

You said you would try to physically separate me from my three-year-old daughter.

Keep backpedaling. You've almost made a full rotation around the world.

 

[d-r]

In the situation you describe, do you know who has separated you from you child?? YOU! You made the choice to put the distance between you and you child when you didn't enter the line together, no one else. You could easily solve that problem by staying together in line, not by
trying to scare me into letting you pass by, because that most definitely will not work out for you.
I guess a CM or the Orange County Sheriff's deputy could explain it to you better, but you'd be the one with some explaining to do. And as far as I can tell, the only threats and "attempts" at intimidation I can find anywhere in this thread are coming from you.

I did not say "I didn't enter the line together, or I made a choice not to enter the line together" I said the OPPOSITE of that "You do not know how someone might have gotten separated. You do not know if someone's child got separated or lost or whatever."

I didn't say "trying to scare you into letting my pass by." I said "If you tried to physically separate me from my children I would explain the situation to you verbally. Now, I'm sure that any normal person at that point would let me get to my child"

I said "You do not have some "right" to physically intimidate people. You don't. Really? You are going to try to physically prevent someone from getting to their three year-old? " You said "If I'm standing still and you try to push me out of the way, how exactly am I the aggressor? I never threatened you, I just simply said that you would not pass by me in line. That is a long way from a threat. Again, if you want to avoid any problems with your line cutting, how about staying with you family from beginning to end?"

I never said I would try to physically push you out of the way if you tried to separate me from my three-year-old, I said you would go to jail.

The only "threat" I made - and I tried to make it clearly - was that if someone threatened my family or tried to physically separate me from my family they would go to jail. That is the only claim I made. You claimed I said "whoopin" I did not.

That was the statement I made. "if anyone physically threatens my wife or children at disney world or anywhere else they will be arrested. "

 

[d-r]

He didn't just cross the line a little bit, he went WAY across. D-r was crystal clear about what he was saying and absolutely threatened other people here and even left a well documented trail. Again, the genie does not just go back into the bottle on his half hearted apology. That apology was more likely meant to avoid getting banned from here, which he certainly should be. I don't presume to guess who's married to who around here because it doesn't make a difference. He described an entirely different scenario than Melissa and his intent was clearly different as well. We are all big boys and girls after all, and are responsible for our own actions, even d-r.

I didn't describe a different scenario than my wife Melissa did. I was describing the same situation. I didn't say any of the things you said that I said about separating myself from my family on purpose. I didn't say that. I never presented some alternate scenario as you say.

I didn't threaten anyone except to go to jail for threatening my family or trying to separate me from my family.

My apology was not half hearted. I tried to say that if it was my fault I did not explain myself as well as I could. I take credit for that. That's an apology.

But I didn't say those things you say that I said.

"the apology was to avoid being banned here" - I said quite clearly I didn't care if I was banned. I tried to apologize because I was trying to take credit for not being clear.

If I left a "well documented trail" then please show me where I said the things you say.

It went like this.

I said "if someone tried to threaten my wife or separate my children from me they would go to jail."

You and Hannathy said (paraphrasing) "we have the "right' to physically separate you, how would we go to jail?"

I said try it and see.

I said you would go to jail. I didn't say I would physically threaten you.

 

[d-r]

That apology was more likely meant to avoid getting banned from here, which he certainly should be.

You are the one who said you would try to physically separate me from my three-year-old daughter.

 

[d-r]

Keep backpedaling. You've almost made a full rotation around the world.

It isn't backpeddling to say that you did not say something you didn't say.

 

[spacemountainmom]

I guess since he wasn't there to protect his wife from "nasty jorts guy" we're feeling a bit guilty and are taking it all out on people on the dis boards.

"Nasty jorts guy" was being a jackwagon. I guess I don't understand why you would not just tell him that the CM asked you to come forward. If he persists in being a jackwagon, you get the attention of the CM and let them deal with it. The CM will come looking for you. I've had people try to stop me on SM and I just tell them the CM called for a party of two and we are it. Never had a problem with that. I've had them gripe because they were a party of two and weren't paying attention, but never has anyone gotten in my face. However, unless the guy was built like King Kong, I would have said my piece and kept moving.

 

[BillBrasky]

I can't believe all the people who have trouble with line cutters at Disney... I don't think I've ever been cut. I guess there are a few things that deter people. I'm 9 feet tall and 700 pounds. Also I have a service animal, a seeing-eye King Cobra named Beverly.

 

[Megan_J]

Do all of you realise that you are getting way to worked up over a thread on the internet that involves people you will most likely never meet? Just saying.

 

[Ceila]

d-r, you need to relax a little. I honestly don't think anyone on this thread, or in real life, would intentionally prevent a parent from joining his or child if that child became separated from them and was without an adult. And even if the child WAS with an adult, a simple, "excuse me, I got separated from my family by accident, may I step up there to join them?" will 999 times out of 1000 get you where you want to go.

 

[spacemountainmom]

d-r, you need to relax a little. I honestly don't think anyone on this thread, or in real life, would intentionally prevent a parent from joining his or child if that child became separated from them and was without an adult. And even if the child WAS with an adult, a simple, "excuse me, I got separated from my family by accident, may I step up there to join them?" will 999 times out of 1000 get you where you want to go.

THIS!

 

[Pumpernoodle]

I can't believe all the people who have trouble with line cutters at Disney... I don't think I've ever been cut. I guess there are a few things that deter people. I'm 9 feet tall and 700 pounds. Also I have a service animal, a seeing-eye King Cobra named Beverly.

Thank you for making a funny on the meanest thread ever!!!Disney World is supposed to be happy.

Mods, please shut this thread down!

 

[goofy4prez]

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My apology was not half hearted. I tried to say that if it was my fault I did not explain myself as well as I could. I take credit for that. That's an apology.

But I didn't say those things you say that I said.

"the apology was to avoid being banned here" - I said quite clearly I didn't care if I was banned. I tried to apologize because I was trying to take credit for not being clear.

You made and still are making a half hearted attempt of an apology; you are only taking action on apologizing for not being clear in your thoughts. A complete and sincere apology would be something like this, " I am sorry to everyone here on the DIS for not only not making myself clear in my thoughts when I posted, but I also apologize to everyone for stepping way over the line and making threats to everyone here on the DIS to meet up with me at Disney World and then let's see what happens to you, I was wrong and I now realize that.. Now that would be a sincere apology.

If I left a "well documented trail" then please show me where I said the things you say.

This is a copy of your threat..... I could take the entire post and show it, but this paragraph I believe is complete and not taken out of context.
Either one of you. I'll be at walt disney world May 26-June 26. If you'll be there any time during that, pm me, I'll send you my cell phone number and you can call me at disney world and we'll get together and you try to separate me from my family and we'll see what happens - if that doesn't work out we'll be back in the fall and for the holidays, we are there often enough I'm sure we can find some time I'm sure. Just let me know. Please.

In my book that is a pretty strong threat. You may argue that you did not literally say I would cause physical harm, but you also did not say, I'm going to call the police and they are going to take you away. This is very strong threat you made..... Just come clean, apologize and I'm sure most people will end of forgiving you and return to debating about fun topics like Le'Cellier, value vs. moderate vs. deluxe resorts and other fun and debated topics on the DIS.

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[Poohrulz]

d-r, you need to relax a little. I honestly don't think anyone on this thread, or in real life, would intentionally prevent a parent from joining his or child if that child became separated from them and was without an adult. And even if the child WAS with an adult, a simple, "excuse me, I got separated from my family by accident, may I step up there to join them?" will 999 times out of 1000 get you where you want to go.

Yes, exactly. And most people would have seen your child slip through/under the rail and would certainly let you go after them. We are talking about other cutting situations, not the Pooh ride last summer with the guy in jorts, for heaven's sake. That was made clear on several occasions. And to openly threaten 2 posters, then give a half...uh...hineyed (using proper language) apology taking no responsibility? Good grief, I hope my child doesn't see you when we're there in June. If you get this worked up over a thread in a Disney forum, I can't even imagine what your temper is like IRL. Happiest place on earth meets D-R...who will come out the winner?

 

[MelissathePooh]

I will say this and be done. No where did DR, my husband, literally physically threaten anyone. I felt like what he wrote could be read that way and misunderstood, that is was challenging someone and that people were implying he wanted to start a fight. Which he doesn't. Because it was that unclear he tried to fix it. His apology was sincere, whether anyone wants to believe it or not. I am certain getting banned from disboards is not something that he cares about.

His point was just that threatening someone or physically blocking someone (if done with force - like some people have joked, eg. "hipcheck) is something that breaks the law. That it doesn't matter what the reason is or what excuse someone tries to give people have the right to physically block other people. He never said somethings he's being quoted as saying.

On one hand I don't ultimately care what an internet forum thinks, and on the other, obviously as I'm writing this, it bothers me greatly that my husband is being talked about so viscously. Like I said I understand that things weren't clear, but I also know he was sincere in trying to clarify things.

Ultimately at the end of day he is a kind, non-violent and wonderful man, who is very protective of his family. Ultimately that is what matters to me.

 

[Hannathy]

Ultimately at the end of day he is a kind, non-violent and wonderful man, who is very protective of his family. Ultimately that is what matters to me.

Wow as someone who he threatened I would sincerely hate to see him if he was the opposite! Because to me and a few other posters he certainly comes across as anything but.

 

[spacemountainmom]

Were either one of you guys wearing jorts in the pooh line early in the morning last summer?

Wadecool. Heck yes that is a threat. Of course it is. You physically threaten my family you will go to jail. That is a threat, a promise. I mean really? is that what you are want to argue? Really? That saying you would go to jail is a threat. OK I'm full of threats then - physically threaten my family and you will go to jail. There. Threat made. I don't know how to be more specific.

Hannathy. Look. I'm going to leave this thread without reading anymore of this bs, and I'll even take my dis ban after however many years here if the moderators want to give me one for saying my mind. But you do not, you do not, you do not have any right whatsoever to physically threaten or block someone.

Either one of you. You are not in charge of the line. You do not know how someone might have gotten separated. You do not know if someone's child got separated or lost or whatever. You are not in charge of making these decisions. If you tried to physically separate me from my children I would explain the situation to you verbally. Now, I'm sure that any normal person at that point would let me get to my child. That's just common decency. If yo did not you would have to physically *try* and stop me from getting to my child. At which point you would be the aggressor, you'd be going to jail. You do not have some "right" to physically intimidate people. You don't. Really? You are going to try to physically prevent someone from getting to their three year-old? What the heck is wrong with you? I'm sorry but that is just nuts to me. Yes, You would have to physically stop me from getting to my child.

Either one of you. I'll be at walt disney world May 26-June 26. If you'll be there any time during that, pm me, I'll send you my cell phone number and you can call me at disney world and we'll get together and you try to separate me from my family and we'll see what happens - if that doesn't work out we'll be back in the fall and for the holidays, we are there often enough I'm sure we can find some time I'm sure. Just let me know. Please.

Hannathy. You telling my wife that it is OK for someone to physically intimidate her because she does what the cast member says. That "we do that in the city" = listen, here in the country we let women and children go by if they need to go by. It is common decency. Grown men who threaten women and put their hands in their face isn't acceptable here. And if I'd been there I'd have had words with that guy.

Both of those sections sound threatening to me.

 

[chiefmickeymouse]

Before this thread gets closed, I thought I would ask something I've always wanted to know. When my little ones are moving a little more slowly in the lines, but they are still moving, I find that people want to pass us. The only way that this strategy gets you closer in line is that you are now ahead of someone. It's not like no one is boarding the ride because my kids are walking slowly. What do people think here? Should I just let people pass even though we're going to come to a complete stop in 5 feet, or stand my ground? We would all have a much happier time is we could just be a bit more respectful. Just think of the times that someone in the parks showed you a little courtesy an magic and how good it made you feel.

My philosophy on all of this is that most of the time it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, but rather what the perspective is of those around you. We never send part of our party to the bathroom while others get in line to save time. I don't blame those that do or block them, either. I have, however, been waiting in line for 30 minutes at Soarin when my 5yo suddenly needed to go to the bathroom and stepped out with him and came back. I'm sure that the line-cutting purists will say that this is also cutting, and I suppose that they would be right, but you have to have a heart that's 3 sizes too small to tell a 5yo to start their wait over b/c they suddenly had to go to the bathroom and can't wait another 20 mins to do it.

The "line-cutting purists"! Love it! Can't wait to trot that term out on my next visit!