Line cutting

[BirdsOfPreyDave]

I started this in another post about the Epcot International Gateway, and didn't want to steal that thread any more than I already had. So, I'll create a new topic... putting on my asbestos suit, first...

I mentioned in that thread that a pet peeve of mine is people cutting in line to join their friends/family.

I don't have any problem with someone leaving the line and then rejoining it. After all, kids sometimes tell you at awkward times that they need the potty. Or, maybe you didn't realize how long and hot a line was going to be, and someone from your group needs to run for some beverages or ice cream. It never bothers me to see someone leave the line, and then return to their group a few minutes later.

There are also times when someone happens to step between you and the rest of your group when you're getting in line. Of course, it's no problem to excuse yourself and rejoin your family in those cases.

The situation that does bother me, though, is when part of a group gets in line while the rest of their group is off doing something else. Then, those who arrive later cut the line to get up with their friends/family. My personal feeling is that if you want to ride together, join the line together. (Exceptions, of course, to those using a Disney Guest Accessibility Pass that allows a member of a party with special needs to join them without waiting in the line.)

Ducking behind my chair now...

 

[Race the Reaper]

I agree with your posting. I don't like line cutting either.

 

[jjarman]

I also hate line cutters but have not noticed it when we were there at WDW. I have noticed it at other amusement parks though.

I have a question though. DS16 and I are going again in March. Sometimes when a line is long one of us, usually DS, will go ahead and get in line and I will run around to get FP for the ride for later or sometimes I have a quick pitstop. Do y'all have a problem with this? I would hate to get back home and read about myself on these boards.

 

[mrsltg]

I agree with the OP - I HATE line cutters... no flames here!

 

[MinnieGirl33]

No flames here either. ITA

It's a total lack of manners/common coutesy IMO.

 

[ssleblanc]

No flames here either.

I was at MK with my Dad, ex-stepmother (she wasn't "ex" at the time), and her daughter. Two of us went to get an ice cream or something (Dole Whip? something like that) and my ex-stepmom and her daughter got in line for the Jungle Cruise. They got to the front of the line and tried to get my Dad and me to cut to the front and get on the ride with them. It turned into a big fight because we refused and she just did not understand why ("everyone does it" ... they don't, sorry). It got so heated that my Dad and I left MK and went to MGM to finish the day riding ToT over and over again (this was before RnR). I don't think that they spoke the rest of that day.

I refuse to cut.

 

[Hannathy]

ITA and yes I do have a problem with one person getting in line and the other getting FP's and expecting to re-join. that is called cutting you are cutting in front of me and I won't move so don't try it if I am in line. And believe me this 5 ft of person can effectively block a line! Now if a parent and child was in line and little one had to go... and they walked out past me saying excuse me I'd let them back in no problem. We would all like to do 2 things at one time.

 

[Max Rebo]

I agree with the general premise that line-cutting is highly annoying.

But what if it's young children doing the cutting? What if, say, one parent stands in line, only to be joined later by the other parent and two little kids? Any problem with that? The UG refers to this manuever as the "Hail-Mary Pass," and seems to advocate it, at least when small children are involved. Doesn't say how small.

I'm not sure what I think about it, and thought I'd see what others think.

 

[shasess]

Line cutting can most definitely be a pain in the you know what but it's funny that most of the guide books/tour guide websites that I have seen advise guests to line cut inorder to save time (fast pass runner) or to give a fussy toddler a break while mom or dad wait in line.....
It's usually just the two of us (DD9 and me) on our Disney trips and my daughter is absolutely old enough to be able to wait in line patiently and bathroom breaks are not an issue so we don't line cut. It seems like too much of a bother to try to squeez past all the other guests waiting in line just to get a fast pass.

 

[Mickeygolf]

Max, I'd have to say this is also a form of line cutting. What you are describing is really not much different than someone standing in line while the other people go about business until the person in line is closer to the front. If everyone took the "Hail Mary Pass" approach, there would be few people standing in line, but others would have to wait until their party caught up. To me that's also line cutting. I've got little kids and I understand what you're asking, but I see that as line cutting as well. If my family can all stand in line together and wait our turn, so can everyone else.

Now I do completely agree with the situation when a family has been standing in line and a little one needs to go to the bathroom. I have no probleom letting them rejoin (key word here) their family.

 

[jonestavern]

I don't have any problems with the entire group standing in line & 1 person going to get FP--none at all!

Don't mind if adults, or children, need to suddenly use the restrooms--when they've already been in line. Please remember there are plenty of adults who have 'digestive' (I am just so very delicate this AM ) problems & the need comes about very suddenly, & since I am one of those persons, I fully sympathize!

I must say, I don't like the garden variety of line cutting.
My biggest pet peeve is when 1 person madly runs past me &/or others, getting in line just before I do, then waves his arms & shouts for his party to stand with him--inevitably, the rest of his party are just leisurely walking behind the rest of us--now that burns me.

Jean

 

[ssleblanc]

I may have misunderstood the "Hail Mary" approach (haven't covered that section of the UG yet, and my youngest is 6 and will be standing in line with the rest of us for anything he is riding).

But, I thought that the way that is advocated is Parent 1 and Young Child go ride something with a shorter line, while Parent 2 gets in long line for a second ride that the CHILD wants to ride. I was thinking more along the lines of Fantasyland (Dumbo/smaller kids type rides ... NOT saying that EVERYONE isn't entitled to ride Dumbo, so please don't misunderstand and flame me). After Parent 1 and young child complete the first ride, they find Parent 2 in the second line and Parent 1 HANDS OFF the child to Parent 2. Parent 2 and older siblings are not riding - so it is just the young child being handed off. To include Parent 2, Older Sis, and Older brother, or uncle/aunt ...etc - would be too much and REALLY be line cutting.

But the scenario of just handing off the young child, while still considered cutting in my eyes, is less offensive than the whole family joining one person who has been standing in line with the rest of us for 40 minutes. It is borderline, AND it only works on rides with outside lines where a hand-off would be easy (and apparent that Parent 1 and the rest of the family aren't all cutting in line).

Yes, some tour books advocate it, and it is border-line. Would I do it? Probably not, because I just don't walk the line or stay too close to the edge. I also don't like contraversy and don't want to tick off people in line. If I felt it was purely legal, I won't avoid it (like Fast Passes, FP riders have been yelled at by unknowledgable guests in the standby lines), but since it is borderline, I would avoid it just to avoid nasty looks and comments because I'm weird that way.

 

[phantom728]

When it involves switching young children, I look at it differently than people who are just rude about it. People that just hog the space and make no apologizes and cause offense...peeve me off.
I have a DD and understand how quickly a child goes from not having to use the bathroom to it now being the most urgent thing, usually within a matter of minutes. Thank goodness she's older now and knows to speak up before getting in line

We were at another park (non-Disney) and it seemed like all the teenager's were into skipping the lines that day. Thankfully, after about the 3rd ride, they were caught and tossed out of the park...somedays there is justice in the world

 

[karrit2000]

I totally agree with you. If all people are not ready to get on line then no one in the party should. The courteous thing to do would be to get on line and then let those behind you pass until the rest of your party arrives. I have friends who try to get me to join them further up the line but I refuse. I believe they should just drop back until I can catch up with them. It's usually only a few spots in the line so it's no big deal. If you need to leave the line briefly with good reason that is acceptable but you should at least get on the line first and let the people behind you know that you'll be right back. For those advocating the Psuedo-Child Swap theory it is still line cutting if the child gets to go on another ride while someone else waits on line for the next ride. Children need to be taught to have patience and this isn't the way to do it. We can't all have what we want when we want it. All good things come to those who wait.

 

[Bouncing4Tigger]

I have no problem with a parent getting out of line to bring a child to the bathroom or even an adult if they have to go. I have had a few times where a young child lets say around 7 passing by others then the parent coming behind pointing to his child saying he is with him. Ok, I understand you want to stay with your child obviously, but have your child wait with you, not keep plowing ahead to get you guys further up the line.

 

[jarrdisney]

I don't have any problems with the entire group standing in line & 1 person going to get FP--none at all!

Don't mind if adults, or children, need to suddenly use the restrooms--when they've already been in line. Please remember there are plenty of adults who have 'digestive' (I am just so very delicate this AM ) problems & the need comes about very suddenly, & since I am one of those persons, I fully sympathize!

I must say, I don't like the garden variety of line cutting.
My biggest pet peeve is when 1 person madly runs past me &/or others, getting in line just before I do, then waves his arms & shouts for his party to stand with him--inevitably, the rest of his party are just leisurely walking behind the rest of us--now that burns me.

Jean

I agree. I think you should be more concerned with the blatant line cutting. I tend to see that a lot more at other parks though, especially universal.

 

[jmclester]

I totally agree with you. If all people are not ready to get on line then no one in the party should. The courteous thing to do would be to get on line and then let those behind you pass until the rest of your party arrives. I have friends who try to get me to join them further up the line but I refuse. I believe they should just drop back until I can catch up with them. It's usually only a few spots in the line so it's no big deal. If you need to leave the line briefly with good reason that is acceptable but you should at least get on the line first and let the people behind you know that you'll be right back. For those advocating the Psuedo-Child Swap theory it is still line cutting if the child gets to go on another ride while someone else waits on line for the next ride. Children need to be taught to have patience and this isn't the way to do it. We can't all have what we want when we want it. All good things come to those who wait.

I totally agree with you. But it always seems to work in reverse with the seperated party(ies) moving up in the line!

No tolerance for line cutting here either.....period! (Excluding necessary emergencies within reason).

 

[herodrx1]

Maybe we should all just turn and say "Would you like me to let your party come BACK to you? That way you can wait in line together." I'm thinking that might get me a few dirty looks

 

[Markstudy]

Spread the rules
Hopefully, people in line will be better prepared to help keep order.
The BAD APPLES at Disney are counting on 90% of the line to be clueless


1) Disney has 50,999 small kids on any one particular day. Owning a small child is not a fast pass for line cutting.

2) If you don't see them leave to go to the bathroom, don't let them back in.
Yes you can leave to take a little-one to the bathroom, but you had to be in the line from the start. (Too many con-artist families try to use this as a scam.... send Jr to the front looking for mom, and then send mom to the front looking for Jr... there are a lot of jerks in this world)

3) Sending one party to hold a spot, only earns you "one spot". The people that try to join him later are cutters. You saved "one spot" by standing there.... the rest of the line should not have to back-up when you try to sneak 4 more family members into that "one spot".

4) Speak-up ....if someone is cutting through the wide path lines (like Soaring) you might not be able to stop them, but if you shout "we have a line cutter coming", maybe some other party of bigger guys can block the jerk.

5) If its HOT and one person in a party jumps out to get drinks... I might even let that slide ::cop: However, this becomes a problem when 70 people all try to do it at the same time. Try to plan before you get in line.

6) If your party is not together - You may not step in front of me to catch up. YOUR OTHER MEMBERS MAY STEP BACK, AND LET ME AND EVERYONE ELSE IN LINE GO, UNTIL YOU CATCH-UP AND YOUR PARTY IS BACK TOGETHER (The way they should have been before you joined the line)



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[MassMom94]

I grew up going to amusement/theme parks other than Disney, and there the rule was (and still is), once you get out of line, there's no coming back. If you or your child has to go to the bathroom, get a drink, etc., too bad. (I've never seen restrooms in a line, but some enterprising parks have installed soda and water machines...and I think at Cedar Point, they had a staffed lemonade stand for one really long line.)

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that the "unofficial" rules at Disney are different about entering and leaving lines - I think it's a more family-friendly thing to do, and it's a more laid back culture. (Or at least was a more laid back culture, if we get into that discussion, this thread will go on forever!) I do get annoyed when there is the occasional blatent abuse as mentioned earlier, but I try not to let it affect me. I'm on vacation and the occasional line jumper isn't going to spoil my mood!!