Lightening lane burner rides + booking window

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Hello, if I was to book a burner ride such as beauty and the beast or the frozen show do I have to actually attend or can I tap in, then exit so I could book another tier 1 if available ?

Also if my resort stay (on site) starts the day before my park days can I book 7 days ahead of the resort stay or the first park day?

Thanks !
 
Hello, if I was to book a burner ride such as beauty and the beast or the frozen show do I have to actually attend or can I tap in, then exit so I could book another tier 1 if available ?
Those 2 attractions are not good choices to use as a "burner" LLMP to unlock tiers and even Multi Park LLMP selections. They start too late in the morning. The first B &B Show is not until 11 AM (way to late), and Frozen Sing-Along start at 9:30 AM well after park opening time.

Also if my resort stay (on site) starts the day before my park days can I book 7 days ahead of the resort stay or the first park day?
Yes the 7 day advanced purchase booking for LLMP and/or LLSP booking windows are based on your on-site Resort stay start date and not on date of your First planned Park visit or ticket valid dates. Example your on-site resort stay begins on a Sunday then your 7 days begins at 7 AM on the Sunday before that.

Dave
 
Those 2 attractions are not good choices to use as a "burner" LLMP to unlock tiers and even Multi Park LLMP selections. They start too late in the morning. The first B &B Show is not until 11 AM (way to late), and Frozen Sing-Along start at 9:30 AM well after park opening time.


Yes the 7 day advanced purchase booking for LLMP and/or LLSP booking windows are based on your on-site Resort stay start date and not on date of your First planned Park visit or ticket valid dates. Example your on-site resort stay begins on a Sunday then your 7 days begins at 7 AM on the Sunday before that.

Dave
Thanks so much for the detailed reply!

A few more questions:
- what would some good burner rides be in each park?

- if I’m staying for 2 nights before a cruise (no park days for this part) and then back at Disney a week later for my park days after the cruise could I book 7 days in advance of my first resort stay since my park days fall within 14 days of the first resort stay or would it be the second resort stay that starts the day before the park days?

Thanks again!
 
A few more questions:
- what would some good burner rides be in each park?
I personally don't believe in using "burner" LLMP attractions. Please be considerate of other guests and just book your first LLMP of the day as close to the time you will actually enter the park, and if you want to be an outlaw I suggest you chose an LL attraction as close to the entrance as possible if you must use a burner attraction. It is easy to figure out which LL attractions are canidates to be a burner.

if I’m staying for 2 nights before a cruise (no park days for this part) and then back at Disney a week later for my park days after the cruise could I book 7 days in advance of my first resort stay since my park days fall within 14 days of the first resort stay or would it be the second resort stay that starts the day before the park days?
Officially the answer is NO and your 7 day booking window would be 7 days before your second resort stay. Now your tickets may allow some flexibility depending on the type of tickets and when they are valid. For example are your tickes part of a package?

Disney does not care about what guests call Split Stays since they are back to back stays but you version will likely be caught by the LL logic in MDE. There have been 1 or 2 unverified reports of guests being able "cheat" the system but they have not been confirmed as you are suggesting. Please try it, and report back if it works or fails.

Dave
 

For another opinion, I don’t believe there is anything inconsiderate about using burner rides and use this tactic when appropriate for my plans. But it’s not very helpful too late in the day. Best use- book for park open, be at the ride as soon as possible, as you tap in mention to the CM you are tapping in but not riding. They see this often, nbd. If you have a party they each need to tap into the park and the ride themselves, can’t just send someone to do it. Make sure it’s a one tap ride, some rides like Figment are 2 tap. (My fav for this was Bugs Life since it was front of the park at AK #RIP)
 
I personally don't believe in using "burner" LLMP attractions. Please be considerate of other guests and just book your first LLMP of the day as close to the time you will actually enter the park, and if you want to be an outlaw I suggest you chose an LL attraction as close to the entrance as possible if you must use a burner attraction. It is easy to figure out which LL attractions are canidates to be a burner.


Officially the answer is NO and your 7 day booking window would be 7 days before your second resort stay. Now your tickets may allow some flexibility depending on the type of tickets and when they are valid. For example are your tickes part of a package?

Disney does not care about what guests call Split Stays since they are back to back stays but you version will likely be caught by the LL logic in MDE. There have been 1 or 2 unverified reports of guests being able "cheat" the system but they have not been confirmed as you are suggesting. Please try it, and report back if it works or fails.

Dave
Definitely not trying to cheat the system, just trying to get the most out of the lightening lanes! I plan on rope dropping and was hoping to book something in that first time slot of official park open so I could have the best chance of securing another tier 1 ride. So I was wondering if I booked something like tea cups that I don’t particularly have a desire to ride if I could just tap in and exit, ideally though I would love to secure an early time for one of my favorite rides!

I’m a DVC member staying on points so no package, just standard date based tickets. I was just a bit confused by the language of being able to book for your stay up to date 14 days , and figured if I was allowed to book for my park days 7 days before check in of my first stay I would get better times for the tough to book attractions, but if this is not allowed, I’m not trying to cheat the system! Just trying to see what is allowed and how to best maximize the new system since the last time I visited it was genie plus. I’m enjoy planning so not having confirmation if it will work is a bit stressful , but I will try booking in advance of the first stay and if it lets me im assuming I’m eligible and if I’m not eligible then I will book in advance of the second stay. Either way I will report back, but my trip is not till August so it will be a while!
 
For another opinion, I don’t believe there is anything inconsiderate about using burner rides and use this tactic when appropriate for my plans. But it’s not very helpful too late in the day. Best use- book for park open, be at the ride as soon as possible, as you tap in mention to the CM you are tapping in but not riding. They see this often, nbd. If you have a party they each need to tap into the park and the ride themselves, can’t just send someone to do it. Make sure it’s a one tap ride, some rides like Figment are 2 tap. (My fav for this was Bugs Life since it was front of the park at AK #RIP)
Thanks for the advice! My goal is to rope drop and then scan in for my first ride to unlock the tiers to maximize the amount of tier 1/ hard to book tier 2 rides I can book!

Glad to know as long as we are in the park and scan at the ride we don’t have to ride if we don’t want to. Do you know if there is a list anywhere of 2 tap rides?

I was very sad to hear bugs life was closing / is now closed. I’m glad I got to ride it on my last trip!
 
Those 2 attractions are not good choices to use as a "burner" LLMP to unlock tiers and even Multi Park LLMP selections. They start too late in the morning. The first B &B Show is not until 11 AM (way to late), and Frozen Sing-Along start at 9:30 AM well after park opening time.


Yes the 7 day advanced purchase booking for LLMP and/or LLSP booking windows are based on your on-site Resort stay start date and not on date of your First planned Park visit or ticket valid dates. Example your on-site resort stay begins on a Sunday then your 7 days begins at 7 AM on the Sunday before that.

Dave
Frozen starts at 9:30 but the LL window opens at 9:05, 5 minutes after park open on most days. It's the best option if you're looking for a burner at HS.
 
I don’t believe there is anything inconsiderate about using burner rides and use this tactic when appropriate for my plans.
I think Disney sorta forces some people to do this because of the locks on the system which are in place for a reason. It's been this way since FP+ but to Dave's point what IMO he's saying is when you take a time slot from an attraction you have no intention of riding it prevents someone else from getting it. That is why you'll see at times people expressing shock that X attraction either is out or has return times later on in the day as there are some people strictly using that attraction to move along in their ability to book more.

All personal opinion I don't see a big issue when it's just a case of there's just not any other attractions you want to ride (or in some cases can ride) however when you're really just trying to maximize the number of rides you get in that's when it gets dicey. I do think most of us understand Disney puts in place the restrictions for a reason but it does have the effect of potentially penalizing other guests who want certain attractions that people are just simply using and not intending to ride just to get more rides in.

There's enough attractions that I know my husband and I can ride or shows to do (DHS isn't really where we go to watch shows which is the park the OP is asking about) and so personally we never used attractions as a means to get more when we booked FP+ (we haven't used Genie+ nor LL yet) but it is a common enough way of doing things that people talk about on the Boards. IMO if you're going to do it pick the attractions that have the least affect overall (which is what the OP is asking about in a roundabout way).
 
So I was wondering if I booked something like tea cups that I don’t particularly have a desire to ride if I could just tap in and exit, ideally though I would love to secure an early time for one of my favorite rides!
Yes that works just fine at Tea cups. As @gottalovepluto commented just mention to the CM at the LL tap point that you are a tap and go guest if you are not sure about the LL queue. Normally they know if the 2nd Tap point is active during the time of your visit. We have had helpful CMs use their tablet to clear us from the attraction if they could not confirm the status of the additional tap point in the queue.

I’m a DVC member staying on points so no package, just standard date based tickets.
OK your date based tickets are going to be your blocking factor unless you have date based tickets that are valid for 10+ days. However please give it a try at your 7 day window before your first stay just to confirm if it blocks you as expected or it lets you book your LLMP that would normally only be valid when your 7 day windows opens for your second stay.

The 14 day wording is confusing for many guests. The MDE LL logic was designed to allow you to book 7 days before your stay, and your stay can be valid for up to 14 days in length. However your ticket valid dates also play a role in the process. That is why the LLMP Calendar view shows a 21 day rolling view.

Dave
 
I think Disney sorta forces some people to do this because of the locks on the system which are in place for a reason. It's been this way since FP+ but to Dave's point what IMO he's saying is when you take a time slot from an attraction you have no intention of riding it prevents someone else from getting it. That is why you'll see at times people expressing shock that X attraction either is out or has return times later on in the day as there are some people strictly using that attraction to move along in their ability to book more.

All personal opinion I don't see a big issue when it's just a case of there's just not any other attractions you want to ride (or in some cases can ride) however when you're really just trying to maximize the number of rides you get in that's when it gets dicey. I do think most of us understand Disney puts in place the restrictions for a reason but it does have the effect of potentially penalizing other guests who want certain attractions that people are just simply using and not intending to ride just to get more rides in.

There's enough attractions that I know my husband and I can ride or shows to do (DHS isn't really where we go to watch shows which is the park the OP is asking about) and so personally we never used attractions as a means to get more when we booked FP+ (we haven't used Genie+ nor LL yet) but it is a common enough way of doing things that people talk about on the Boards. IMO if you're going to do it pick the attractions that have the least affect overall (which is what the OP is asking about in a roundabout way).
I don’t want to actively take spots from others, and would probably ride some of the rides I would choose as burners, however our group is just adults so shows like frozen aren’t really of interest to us. I will definitely be mindful though to try to minimize my effect!
 
Yes that works just fine at Tea cups. As @gottalovepluto commented just mention to the CM at the LL tap point that you are a tap and go guest if you are not sure about the LL queue. Normally they know if the 2nd Tap point is active during the time of your visit. We have had helpful CMs use their tablet to clear us from the attraction if they could not confirm the status of the additional tap point in the queue.


OK your date based tickets are going to be your blocking factor unless you have date based tickets that are valid for 10+ days. However please give it a try at your 7 day window before your first stay just to confirm if it blocks you as expected or it lets you book your LLMP that would normally only be valid when your 7 day windows opens for your second stay.

The 14 day wording is confusing for many guests. The MDE LL logic was designed to allow you to book 7 days before your stay, and your stay can be valid for up to 14 days in length. However your ticket valid dates also play a role in the process. That is why the LLMP Calendar view shows a 21 day rolling view.

Dave
Gotcha that makes sense! I’m guessing it won’t let me book that early , but can’t hurt to try! I’ll report back when I try!
 
I don’t want to actively take spots from others, and would probably ride some of the rides I would choose as burners, however our group is just adults so shows like frozen aren’t really of interest to us. I will definitely be mindful though to try to minimize my effect!
I understand the concept of 'burner' attractions early in the morning, but I don't understand the 'tap in and leave' approach. I know you can then book another attraction - but if you're there tapped in at the 'burner' attraction, you might as well go for a ride while booking ride #4 for later in the day! It doesn't impact your LLMP planning whether you ride it or not! But that's just us...... Maybe it really depends on which 9AM attraction you can book in the park to 'burn'.
 
I understand the concept of 'burner' attractions early in the morning, but I don't understand the 'tap in and leave' approach. I know you can then book another attraction - but if you're there tapped in at the 'burner' attraction, you might as well go for a ride while booking ride #4 for later in the day! It doesn't impact your LLMP planning whether you ride it or not! But that's just us...... Maybe it really depends on which 9AM attraction you can book in the park to 'burn'.
With FSA you can tap in at 9:05, the show doesn't start until 9:30 and lasts 30 minutes so you wouldn't be out until 10am, missing some of the best touring time in the park while other lines are shorter.

Compared to tapping in at 9:05 and just walking away, which would gain you 55 minutes of time in that first hour.
 
I understand the concept of 'burner' attractions early in the morning, but I don't understand the 'tap in and leave' approach. I know you can then book another attraction - but if you're there tapped in at the 'burner' attraction, you might as well go for a ride while booking ride #4 for later in the day! It doesn't impact your LLMP planning whether you ride it or not! But that's just us...... Maybe it really depends on which 9AM attraction you can book in the park to 'burn'.
My thought was a quick ride on the teacups isn’t the end of the world ( unless I’m nauseous 😂) but if I booked something long like a show as a burner that is time we could be queuing for a ride we want to go on!
 
I may be naive but I don't understand the concern about taking a ride from someone else. Isn't that what the standby line is for?

I asked a similar question in the long thread. For someone who doesn't know what time attractions open, how long each attraction lasts, and which attractions have double taps, what attraction can we ride on that are close to the front of the park, easy to get an early LLMP, and are quick?
 
I may be naive but I don't understand the concern about taking a ride from someone else. Isn't that what the standby line is for?
I guess since there are a fixed number of LLMPs assigned per attraction per day, booking one and not using it takes away a potential slot from someone else who has purchased LLMP because they want to avoid most standby lines. But in some cases, since there are still LLMPs available until the end of the day, it really doesn't take anything away.
 










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