Lgbt?

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I am working on a project for the Office of Diversity Services here at the university I work at. I was told to change GLBT to LGBT in all marketing because LGBT has become the more accepted term in recent years. Is this true? Are we now the LGBT community? If so, no one told me!:confused3
 
A rose by any other name...

But the change wasn't in our monthly "agenda update."
 
A friend of mine use to say "the gay BLT" But I dont think that will fly "professionally"
Jennifer
 
I don't understand WHY It's LGBT" and not "GLBT" But I say both. Whatever, gosh we're such an anal people. @_@
 

There was (is?) a faction of very political women/lesbians who found coming after men to be a continuation of the oppression of women, therefore the switch from gay, lesbian to lesbian, gay.

Hey. Don't holler at me! I'm just telling you where it could be coming from. ;)
 
The union I'm involved with decided to change the order of the letters from "GLBT" to "TBLG" for the glbt/tblg caucus since trans and bi issues have historically taken a back seat to gay and lesbian issues. I think may organizations are also starting to add a Q (queer) and some are also adding another Q and an A (questioning and asexual).

I think it's nice that many in the community pay attention that things like order of letters. But I don't think it's anything to get upset about if they're not paid attention to.
 
Hahaaa, Zac! ^_^ I was thinking I might get that response when I made the post.
 
More and more I like Queer.
 
I agree. Queer works. Moves away from the gender focus.

Besides, it sounds nice too. :)
 
For me it will always be GLBT. Gay men have been ruthlessly persecuted over the centuries, much more than lesbians. There are also a lot more gay men than lesbians in the world.
 
I find that term terribly offensive.


I, on the other hand, don't mind GLBT at all (while still preferring Queer, because the last thing I ever want to be is in lockstep with anyone or anything).

On the same topic (PC labels), I was horrified that apparently the GLBT powers that be lobbied successfully to get the commercial of the two working class dudes who accidently kissed and then pulled out their chest hair off the air!

Might there be more important issues to lobby over? But, more importantly, someone needs to get a sense of humor, because they totally missed the effect of the commercial (have us laugh at uptight working class dudes while a breathe of gay-friendly air washed through the room).
 
On the same topic (PC labels), I was horrified that apparently the GLBT powers that be lobbied successfully to get the commercial of the two working class dudes who accidently kissed and then pulled out their chest hair off the air!

But Viki, there was much more to it than what you saw on TV. On the Snickers website, there were alternative endings to vote on for future broadcasts. Including a scene where the two guys looked like they were trying to kill each other by slamming the car hood down on the other, and beating each other senseless.
 
But Viki, there was much more to it than what you saw on TV. On the Snickers website, there were alternative endings to vote on for future broadcasts. Including a scene where the two guys looked like they were trying to kill each other by slamming the car hood down on the other, and beating each other senseless.


LOL! I didn't see that Chuck and I'd have to before I could comment, but it SEEMS like it's still THEM and not US that come off looking just plain silly.
 
I don't know why anyone would prefer the term "Queer" over the other terms, because "Queer" means weird, strange, or different. I do not on any occasion, view my liking of other boys strange or weird. Sure, it's different, but it doesn't make us WEIRD. @_@
 
It doesn't bother me at all, in fact I kinda like it. Maybe because I am a strange duck and kind of odd, or queer.

Wonder if it's a generational thing?
 
I don't know why anyone would prefer the term "Queer" over the other terms, because "Queer" means weird, strange, or different. I do not on any occasion, view my liking of other boys strange or weird. Sure, it's different, but it doesn't make us WEIRD. @_@

I think the fact that it means "weird" is part of the point of why some people like it. I think the use of the term among has partly just filtered down from the ivory tower as the development of "queer theory" in the academy picks out a distinctive way of looking at sexuality and gender. I don't know much about queer theory (despite numerous classes in which I was supposed to be figuring it out :rotfl:--though I think that's kind of its nature to be hard to pin down), but from what I understand the emphasis is on understanding gender and sexuality not as real aspects of reality, but as things which are continually constructed through language and power. Attention to sexuality is also more broad than just glbt issues--sex work, pornography, and S/M are understood as constructed "deviant" identities along with sexual orientation and gender.

In activist circles I think the word is often embraced for practical reasons as an umbrella term meaning "different from the heterosexual norm." Since there are so many identities which most gay-related activist groups want to include (and the list just keeps expanding) it's just impractical to list them all out with a letter.

Plus, often individuals feel that they don't necessarily easily fit under a certain letter--G, L, or B--especially that the letters reify the false idea that there are two and only two sexes and that all human beings fit into one or the other of them and that a person's sex is fundamental basis of attraction for all humans. (I personally have issues with this. I identify as bisexual mostly for ease of identification, but I don't like the word since it essentially means "attracted to the two sexes." But I don't believe that sex is a dichotomy. Nor do I feel that I'm attracted to people as a result of their sex. It's actually the opposite. I'm attracted without regard to sex. Kind of like I'm attracted without regard to hair color or income level.)

I think a lot of this also has to do with assimilationist vs. liberation politics amongst glb groups/people. Assimilationists tend not to want to rock the boat regarding the categorization of sex, the acceptability of certain kinds of sexual activity, or the institutionalization of monogamy and marriage. The idea is just that society was wrong in constructing glb people as deviant, but non-monogamy, rejection of marriage as an institution, S/M, etc really are deviant so they can legitimately be rejected. (This seems like the kind of thinking which one sees in the "Why I Won't Go to Gay Days This Year" essay that is available through the DIS.) The end goal for glb people is "gay rights"--the right to marry and all the rights that go along with it, the right to respect for one's long-term and monogamous relationships, etc. Liberationists, on the other hand, can see how important it is to get these rights, but there is concern that in order to gain the rights glb people have to assimilate and become like straight people, thus giving up what was revolutionary about their movement and thus betraying others who will still be marked as sexual deviants. It's actually a really interesting thing to think about. GF and I tend to be wary of too much assimilation and generally mistrustful of marriage as an institution, and yet we also feel the pull of the practical necessity of assimilation in our daily lives. For example, same-sex partner benefits have just been banned in Michigan (where we live) which means (unless the case is overturned on appeal) GF will no longer have health insurance through me :(
 



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