Let's speculate about Polynesian some more!

[pinkxray]

I am not a Poly owner so this isn’t a huge deal to me but I am a little surprised they decided to keep it the same association. On the other hand, not surprised at all I have been 50/50 the whole time. On one hand, Disney is leaving a lot of money on the table not making it a new association. If any resort could demand direct pricing with restrictions it would be a new Poly tower. On the other hand, it would be silly for all the Poly1 owners not being able to book the tower. It is great news for those who bought resale recently at some great prices.

I was resale for a few years before buying VGF direct this summer. A little bit sad as a direct owner it won’t help me at 7 months trying to book the tower. One perk to direct points is the thinking that we would have access to new resorts as they are blocked from resale. In the end it will all work out. The tower is going to be very high point cost for 1-2 bedrooms which will still scare people off from booking . As a VGF owner who just booked spring break, those 1 bedroom are so high in points. People who want to swap in at 7 months will probably be able to get a one bedroom if they are willing to use tons of points. Our Easter 3 night weekend is 254 for a 1 bedroom at VGF. Not many people are going to want to use that many points for a weekend. M-F low point seasons might be a bit tougher to get.

At the end of the day, I am very excited to try out the tower. It will be helpful for it to be the same association for me because now I can use my resale SSR points plus my direct VGF points to book. I’m sure I’ll need all of them to book a lake view 1 bedroom or whatever they call it.

 

[cbailey1616]

Was about to buy VGF but picking up a Poly contract now instead. Hopefully some 1-beds at VGF in early December will be available at 7months because Id like to swap off between the reports every other year.

 

[Sandisw]

Hopefully, true obviously nothing is a given but it does effect resale value regardless having more time on it otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about a 2042 bubble 18 years out from expiration.

Edited to add: and then further down from myself but if my kids and etc. did use it those 9 extra years could make a difference in terms of passing it down, so probably less of a direct effect on myself but for whoever receives it next

Anyways this was posted in a DVC FB group. I feel like everyone is like no takesie backsies but they literally prefaced with “The plan for now”. I don’t know, my bank account would be happier if its same association which it seems like 99.9% now
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I have sent off an email to be forwarded to her office about getting a call and if this report is true, then DVC needs to come out and clarify it since it’s being reported it’s a done deal.

A better answer would have been that no decision has been formally decided.

 

[jbreen2010]

Now that it’s been announced to be same association which most seem to be happy about? Does anybody care that since it’s going to be added to the existing association, it will have a 2066 expiration instead of a 2075 expiration like it would have if it had been a new association? Everyone seems so eager to forego the extra 9 years to avoid the resale restrictions which is fair since statistically its a lot more likely someone will sell their contract before the contract expires. But with 2042 resorts having 18 years left, people are already looking at that as a downside to them. Maybe DVC is seeing we can sell these contracts with significantly less years on them and charge more if we make them not resale restricted.

Yes, I am willing to forgoe 9 years to not have resale restrictions. I’ll be 80 years old anyway in 2066.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Yes, I am willing to forgoe 9 years to not have resale restrictions. I’ll be 80 years old anyway in 2066.

Yeah, resale value of unrestricted poly is basically always going to be higher than restricted riviera, even though riviera lasts longer, probably right up until a year or two before poly expires.

 

[DeeBee3]

Yes, I am willing to forgoe 9 years to not have resale restrictions. I’ll be 80 years old anyway in 2066.

Ouch - did you have to remind me of my age?!

 

[intamin]

Yes, I am willing to forgoe 9 years to not have resale restrictions. I’ll be 80 years old anyway in 2066.

Yeah I mean obviously not having resale restrictions us worth a lot, but it just kind of seems like everyone treats the 9 years as worthless where as we look at 2042 resorts and say, there’s only 18 years left. At what point would you care about how many years are left? 2060? 2055? 2050? Nothing says DVC has to do the full 50 years, what if they started selling resorts with a lot less years on it like they did with the 2042 resorts since people obviously don’t care about the duration lol.

 

[SPLzero]

Yeah I mean obviously not having resale restrictions us worth a lot, but it just kind of seems like everyone treats the 9 years as worthless where as we look at 2042 resorts and say, there’s only 18 years left. At what point would you care about how many years are left? 2060? 2055? 2050? Nothing says DVC has to do the full 50 years, what if they started selling resorts with a lot less years on it like they did with the 2042 resorts since people obviously don’t care about the duration lol.

I think you would be giving Disney too much credit being a calculated money hungry machine.

 

[intamin]

I think you would be giving Disney too much credit being a calculated money hungry machine.

True, if they actually had a plan they would’ve put resale restrictions on the tower.

 

[SPLzero]

True, if they actually had a plan they would’ve put resale restrictions on the tower.

If they wanted to be a calculated money hungry machine yes. I guess we will find out with Fort wilderness but I see it as any resort they expand that still has a good chunk of time left on the deed they will keep as the same association. anything new will have the restriction.

Do you want them to put restrictions on every resort going forward even if its an expansion?

 

[EYL]

I’m curious if the LV studios will become a lot more difficult to book just because they aren’t that much more in points (relatively) compared to SV studios, and then compare that to what will likely be a very high point cost to book a TPV in the tower. Any chance they change the name of the first floor LV of Moorea to something like Bungalow View or Palm Tree Blocks Your View View?

I'm concerned about this also since we typically book the LV studios. Someone used to have an "availability chart" for each DVC resort and room type that was plotted over a years time (I can't find the thread anymore) and, while people tend to book standard studios first since it's lower in points, the imbalance between the number of SV and LV studios made both equally hard/easy to book at any given time. But the equilibrium was there and I never had to wake early at 11 months to book it.

That said, the influx of points at the Tower is my concern. The Tower's point charts should be comparable to RIV, which means more people may try to book the "old" cheaper PVB studios in the longhouses. This competition will surely make it harder to book both SV and LV studios. I'm not liking that it's the same association!

 

[Mikey15]

The total present value of those 9 years is like $2-$5, depending on your discount rate. And that assumes you’ll be alive AND healthy enough to travel to a demanding vacation destination, which even for a 35 year old is only like 50-50 by 2064.

I dunno.

Devil’s advocate: People have kids and grandkids, and some DVC purchase anecdotes involve splitting purchases into multiple contracts with one earmarked for each heir.
One of the things people like about DVC, its longevity and value retention, goes beyond their own use of it.

Not that I think 9 years will make a big difference in this case. I’m just pointing out there are some downstream considerations even if one will be 80 by the time it expires.


Curious question about Favorite Weeks & future direct sales at Polynesian. To avoid the risk of not being able to book, say, a lake view studio at 11 months at a desirable time like 4th of July or Thanksgiving/Christmas, buyers may wish to purchase a FW contract. Because DVD would be actively selling “new” points for the tower units rather than the points sold years ago for the longhouses, would FW buyers only be able to buy for tower booking categories? Or could they theoretically do a direct, FW purchase for a longhouse LV booking category?

Curious due to the concerns voiced by existing PVB owners about it potentially becoming more difficult to book their Home units at certain times of the year.

 

[EYL]

I have the sponsor's app and since I'm a PVB owner, I have the search and notification on for it. Anyone else have it and have noticed that there seems to be a lot more "offer accepted" notifications for PVB since yesterday afternoon? Or is it just me?

 

[intamin]

If they wanted to be a calculated money hungry machine yes. I guess we will find out with Fort wilderness but I see it as any resort they expand that still has a good chunk of time left on the deed they will keep as the same association. anything new will have the restriction.

Do you want them to put restrictions on every resort going forward even if its an expansion?

I don’t want restrictions as a consumer but if I’m DVC long term I don’t understand why you would only put it on some resorts and not others. I get that it’s an expansion but especially on these points that would’ve sold regardless of resale restriction or not since they’re on the monorail when you have the option to. It just seems like poor planning. These past few years, Disney has BEEN a calculated money hungry machine. Genie +, individual lightning lanes, pausing the sale of annual passes, I could go on. At this point remove the restrictions altogether if you’re not going to commit instead of going into it half-assed.

 

[SPLzero]

I'm concerned about this also since we typically book the LV studios. Someone used to have an "availability chart" for each DVC resort and room type that was plotted over a years time (I can't find the thread anymore) and, while people tend to book standard studios first since it's lower in points, the imbalance between the number of SV and LV studios made both equally hard/easy to book at any given time. But the equilibrium was there and I never had to wake early at 11 months to book it.

That said, the influx of points at the Tower is my concern. The Tower's point charts should be comparable to RIV, which means more people may try to book the "old" cheaper PVB studios in the longhouses. This competition will surely make it harder to book both SV and LV studios. I'm not liking that it's the same association!

I think it would be more in line with GF Villa Vs Resort studios where they kept all the prices the same with adding an extra category of theme park view. the argument would be would you rather stay in a assuming smaller tower room or a larger long house for the same price.

I don’t want restrictions as a consumer but if I’m DVC long term I don’t understand why you would only put it on some resorts and not others. I get that it’s an expansion but especially on these points that would’ve sold regardless of resale restriction or not since they’re on the monorail resort. It just seems like poor planning. These past few years, Disney has BEEN a calculated money hungry machine. Genie +, individual lightning lanes, pausing the sale of annual passes, I could go on. At this point remove the restrictions altogether if you’re not going to commit instead of going into it half-assed.

I dont see it as half assed. They are expanding on resorts with contacts that have plenty of life left. they might have had a lot of complaints about not being able to book studios at GFV and lack of 1B+ at PVB. We also dont know how much extra work it would have been to split them into their own associations.

 

[Sally524]

I'm concerned about this also since we typically book the LV studios. Someone used to have an "availability chart" for each DVC resort and room type that was plotted over a years time (I can't find the thread anymore) and, while people tend to book standard studios first since it's lower in points, the imbalance between the number of SV and LV studios made both equally hard/easy to book at any given time. But the equilibrium was there and I never had to wake early at 11 months to book it.

That said, the influx of points at the Tower is my concern. The Tower's point charts should be comparable to RIV, which means more people may try to book the "old" cheaper PVB studios in the longhouses. This competition will surely make it harder to book both SV and LV studios. I'm not liking that it's the same association!

I had it book marked:

https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/availability-tables

 

[MagicDVC]

Curious question about Favorite Weeks & future direct sales at Polynesian. To avoid the risk of not being able to book, say, a lake view studio at 11 months at a desirable time like 4th of July or Thanksgiving/Christmas, buyers may wish to purchase a FW contract. Because DVD would be actively selling “new” points for the tower units rather than the points sold years ago for the longhouses, would FW buyers only be able to buy for tower booking categories? Or could they theoretically do a direct, FW purchase for a longhouse LV booking category?

When they start selling, only the FW for the tower. Just like at VGF, they only sold FW for the resort studios.

 

[Mikey15]

When they start selling, only the FW for the tower. Just like at VGF, they only sold FW for the resort studios.

Thank you! That’s what I figured but it’s good to confirm.

So if nothing else, new PVB owners won’t have any advantage over existing PVB owners in booking longhouse studios at 11mo out. There will just theoretically be more people who own at PVB and want to book there.

 

[jrieder]

Check this out:


https://dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts/pol...esian-tower-to-be-part-of-current-association

 

[bbeagle]

A question about Poly tower availability Day 1:

Since this is adding 250 or so rooms to the existing 380 rooms, Disney will be selling more Polynesian points. From the time the extra Tower points start going on sale, the entire Polynesian will not be sold out.... it will go from 100% sold out to about 60% sold out.

Will they use this 60% number resort-wide and open 60% of the tower rooms and then block off 40% of Morrea/etc. to leave only 60% of the original DVC open?

Or will they only open up a percentage of the Tower rooms? Like if they sell 50% of the deeds, will only 50% of the tower rooms be available (or whatever formula they use), the rest cash, and 100% of the original Poly DVC available....

How did Grand Floridian do this?