Let the Prom Drama begin....Like Aurora, her dress keeps changing

[ElizaB39]

Oh FINFAN, that dress is so beautiful! Wow, your DD is going to have a special evening, I just feel it...

Okay, sappy I know!

to everyone's kiddos.

 

[FINFAN]

Whew...glad the dress looks o.k. to you guys...DD said she thought it looked too old lady-ish...that the lace looked like a doilie, but she said she likes the overall look of the dress. The mom said Art Guy would like to get deep burgundy roses...that he liked those, and his vest is along the same lines, so I think they will look very sophisticated ( for a coupla teens , that is!)and I was asking DD what color flower she thought and she said black yeah, there's that inner Goth trying to surface ( I blame it on the Art world, and since my degree is in Illustration I'm allowed ) I think she will be QUITE pleased in the color. I need to match his to it as well, maybe go to the same florist.
Looks like they are going to head into Chicago and Navy Pier for the next day...DD cancelled her riding lesson on Sunday..figures she'll be somewhat comatose by then, not at her best for jumping!
So, any make-up suggestions? DD never wears it...how about hair? Hers is long, golden brown, eyes are honey gold/brown, nails? She never does any girlie stuff so needs to practice. matter of fact, she broke just about every nail playing football Sunday and refuses gettting nail tips...I know black is in...but not for Prom, right? I don't know, it's her night...just hoping to cover all the bases as I never went to Prom.


Pam

 

[Sandy V.]

Good Morning to everyone!!

Pam, the dress is beautiful. I would really like to see your DD in it. I especially like the black choker idea - I've always liked those, especially with strapless dresses. I'm so happy for her that everything is working out. ArtGuy sounds like he's got some "promise" here. Even his parents are cool - that's a relief. I also like the birthday gift idea - thoughtful, but not too serious or, heaven forbid, romantic.

You can never tell how these high school relationships are going to turn out. When DD and boyfriend started dating, I was going through some of my own hormonal "stuff". Add a new relationship to the family dynamics and my hot flashes and weepiness - and things were more than a little NUTS around here. I remember thinking, "Who IS this kid, and what does he want from my daughter?" But the kid stuck around, and he's become a welcome fixture around here. We even took him on vacation last summer when we went to NYC and Boston. We like him because we can give him lots of crap and he slings it right back.

Oh, and yes, you can count on me to find you a cowboy hat if the need arises. We've got quite a supply in this area, although none in my house.

DD doesn't tan either. But she's a redhead with a few freckles still - this is NOT good tanning skin!

DD and boyfriend haven't started any wedding plans and I think both would freak out now if the other one even mentioned it. Which is fine with both me and boyfriend's mom. She's a neat person and she's drilled a lot of good morals and common sense into her boys, I'm happy and grateful to say.

I think DS made prom dinner reservations last night, but he's still in bed so I haven't had the chance to ask him. I also think he found a 4th couple for the limo which is a good thing. But I know that one of the other guys of one of the already-established couples is getting very annoying, so he may STILL switch things out. That's the one nice thing about reserving the limo - we are GUARANTEED a ride!! We got hit with one of those spring snowstorms here in Colorado and everything is covered in snow, so there's no school today.

Well, I gotta get back to work too. Missed about 2 hours of work with some sort of Comcast outage in the area, so I have some time to make up!

Horseshowmom, what state do you live in? When you say "Deep South", I'm thinking Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, or Louisiana - but that's a Coloradan's view of what constitutes the "Deep South"!!

ElizaB39 - how goes the middle school drama?

I hope that everyone has a good day!!!

 

[horseshowmom]

Whew...glad the dress looks o.k. to you guys...DD said she thought it looked too old lady-ish...that the lace looked like a doilie, but she said she likes the overall look of the dress. The mom said Art Guy would like to get deep burgundy roses...that he liked those, and his vest is along the same lines, so I think they will look very sophisticated ( for a coupla teens , that is!)and I was asking DD what color flower she thought and she said black yeah, there's that inner Goth trying to surface ( I blame it on the Art world, and since my degree is in Illustration I'm allowed ) I think she will be QUITE pleased in the color. I need to match his to it as well, maybe go to the same florist.
Looks like they are going to head into Chicago and Navy Pier for the next day...DD cancelled her riding lesson on Sunday..figures she'll be somewhat comatose by then, not at her best for jumping!
So, any make-up suggestions? DD never wears it...how about hair? Hers is long, golden brown, eyes are honey gold/brown, nails? She never does any girlie stuff so needs to practice. matter of fact, she broke just about every nail playing football Sunday and refuses gettting nail tips...I know black is in...but not for Prom, right? I don't know, it's her night...just hoping to cover all the bases as I never went to Prom.


Pam

They will be quite the young sophisticates!

DD always had an interest in jumping, but that was the only discipline that she didn't compete in. One afternoon when she was about 12, I was taking a nap. Slowly, I came out of my sleep to the regular beats of thuds on the hard ground in our backyard. I got up to go look outside, and DD had taken hay bales, stacked them on top of each other, and was jumping her horse over them (no helmet, no jumping experience, no evidence of common sense, etc.). Keep in mind that this was her pasture horse (not a show horse) that she had learned to ride on, and he would do anything for her. He's only about 14 hands tall, but he was throwing himself over those hay bales for her. We did have a long talk about using better judgement in the future.

As far as make-up, DD just switched to Bare Escentuals (I think that's it, I'm not much into make-up myself), and she swears by it. I think there's a less expensive version that you can buy in some of the discount stores. She says it doesn't "feel" like make-up.

As far as the hair goes, it's hard to say. DD has worn it both ways. The year she won the Fairest of the Fair, she wore it straight with it pulled back off her face with a rhinestone barrette and long dangly rhinestone earrings. It looked nice. One of the girls who didn't win was overheard afterwards indignantly complaining that she spend 3 hours on her hair and that girl didn't do "anything", so she shouldn't have won!

DD generally does the clear polish with french tips when she dresses up.

 

[Sandy V.]

Whew...glad the dress looks o.k. to you guys...DD said she thought it looked too old lady-ish...that the lace looked like a doilie, but she said she likes the overall look of the dress. The mom said Art Guy would like to get deep burgundy roses...that he liked those, and his vest is along the same lines, so I think they will look very sophisticated ( for a coupla teens , that is!)and I was asking DD what color flower she thought and she said black yeah, there's that inner Goth trying to surface ( I blame it on the Art world, and since my degree is in Illustration I'm allowed ) I think she will be QUITE pleased in the color. I need to match his to it as well, maybe go to the same florist.
Looks like they are going to head into Chicago and Navy Pier for the next day...DD cancelled her riding lesson on Sunday..figures she'll be somewhat comatose by then, not at her best for jumping!
So, any make-up suggestions? DD never wears it...how about hair? Hers is long, golden brown, eyes are honey gold/brown, nails? She never does any girlie stuff so needs to practice. matter of fact, she broke just about every nail playing football Sunday and refuses gettting nail tips...I know black is in...but not for Prom, right? I don't know, it's her night...just hoping to cover all the bases as I never went to Prom.


Pam

I think the burgandy roses sound beautiful. It's funny that you mentioned black flowers - that's what DS wanted to get for girlfriends since her dress is black. Are there such a thing as black flowers anyway?!!?!

DD and I convinced him to figure out some sort of accent color to use for the flowers instead. Girlfriend is part Asian, so her hair is dark brown/black. Her dress is black with maybe a white sash, and DS thinks she looks great in green, so "we" (mom) is going to order a corsage of white roses, some sort of green flowers, with green and white ribbons. (Girlfriend approved of the green color choice.)

As far as the makeup, maybe she should just keep it simple with eyeliner, shadow, mascara, and some lipgloss. That way she won't feel too "different" than who she really "is".

Since the dress is strapless, has she considered wearing it in some sort of "half up, half down" look? Otherwise, it might be really pretty to have it long, curly, and flowing.

Nails? Could you coyly suggest some sort of dark burgandy polish for the nails that she DOES have left?

Also glad that they figured out the events for the next day. Sounds like fun!!

Well, that's about the extent of my beauty suggestions. I'm sure some of the other ladies around here will be more resourceful than I am.

 

[horseshowmom]

But the kid stuck around, and he's become a welcome fixture around here. We even took him on vacation last summer when we went to NYC and Boston. We like him because we can give him lots of crap and he slings it right back.

Oh, and yes, you can count on me to find you a cowboy hat if the need arises. We've got quite a supply in this area, although none in my house.

DD and boyfriend haven't started any wedding plans and I think both would freak out now if the other one even mentioned it. Which is fine with both me and boyfriend's mom. She's a neat person and she's drilled a lot of good morals and common sense into her boys, I'm happy and grateful to say.

I think DS made prom dinner reservations last night, but he's still in bed so I haven't had the chance to ask him. I also think he found a 4th couple for the limo which is a good thing. But I know that one of the other guys of one of the already-established couples is getting very annoying, so he may STILL switch things out. That's the one nice thing about reserving the limo - we are GUARANTEED a ride!! We got hit with one of those spring snowstorms here in Colorado and everything is covered in snow, so there's no school today.

Horseshowmom, what state do you live in? When you say "Deep South", I'm thinking Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, or Louisiana - but that's a Coloradan's view of what constitutes the "Deep South"!!

We've taken BF with us twice - to Destin last July and to Orlando last December. He's as easy to have around as anybody we've ever come across. Absolutely, no problem. He had a ball at Disney (had never been).

His mother is like the one you talked about. We were laughing one time about if we ever had a problem that BF needed to remember that DH has a shotgun . He said, "Oh, that would be just the start. Then I'd have to deal with my mother! " They raise quarter horses, so she's used to handling horses lots bigger than him, and he knows what she does with studs who get too antsy! I have to add here, that he's definitely NOT a "mama's boy", but it's nice to see a young man who has a deep affection and respect for his parents.

Also in agreement about the cowboy hats, with the only difference being that I can come up with several in my house! I can go from the cheap straw hat to the very expensive show hat (kept in a hat can in an environmentally contained area ).

DD's team won the National Horse Bowl competition in Denver (similar to Knowledge Bowl but more related to horses - epidemiology, reproduction, anatomy, disciplines, breeds, disease, you name it) in 2006, and she was the individual high point. There was a lot of snow that year, I think. She loved it up there.

We're from Mississippi, and we don't see much of that snow you're talking about. Although by now, I'd be ready to see it go (much as I love it in small doses ).

 

[ElizaB39]

I would say french manicure for her nails, toes too if she has open toed shoes. Hair could be long and straight, think Gwyneth Paltrow and this year's Oscars.

Makeup, the bare minimum, slightly colored gloss, shiny or glittery powder over a light base, simple eyeliner if she insists (the goth thing right?).

Sandy, thanks for asking...

Middle school drama continues. We talked again last night. She has been told it is in her "best interests" not to sit at their lunch table . One of the guys that "travels" from lunch table to lunch table told her that (nicely she said he is a friend of everyone). The first day they (the girls) told her there wasn't room for her at her regular table she shot back with a spirited, "I know there is room because Alice and Barb (names changed to protect the innocent, well, okay I will fess up, I don't know their names!) are out sick today", and then she turned around with her nose a bit up in the air and walked away. There are plenty of people for her to sit with and socialize with and noone else is on the bandwagon but the three original ones.

My DH has talked with her too, but has admitted to me, "the girl stuff, I just don't get it". I told him he doesn't have to, just to love and support her etc. Of course he already does this. He asked her if she still wanted to be friends with them and she said, "no, not if they don't want to be friends with me." She is not clamoring to get "back in their good graces."

She just doesn't "get" the drama, she never has. She doesn't participate in it either (disclaimer: from what I know at this time). Earlier this year she was friends with two girls who had a "fight", she stayed friends with both of them. None of her friends "understood" it, and even an older sister of a friend asked her how she could be friends with both girls. In her eyes, there just isn't an issue and she finds it perfectly logical to be friends with many people and not to get involved with their drama. I had to explain to her that most girls didn't think or feel this way, at least at her age.

She just is a different thinker, that is how I explain it to her...

I love this kid so much, she is just great. I hate that she has to go through this, but I know it will teach and bring her empathy, at least that is my hope.

 

[FINFAN]

Thanks for the awesome beauty suggestions all! This is truly a group effort! I'll run them by DD and see what she's up for..one more question..
Do you guys order the picture packages that they charge an arm/leg for? Since Art Guy has 2 families, the only package we he offered that covers more than 2 5x7's or 8x10's runs as a 2 pose package with a tag of 65.... but more than willing to do it as he has picked up the ticket cost, DD is paying for the Limo for them herself, so we realy are not getting hammered too badly, at least not compared to some stories I have heard.
OOOOOhhhh, amybe if DD went with the burgundy nails and then a burgundy/garnet type crystal for the choker? O.K. back to pictures...the only thing is DD says the line for pictures can be up to an hour long and no way do they want to miss an hour of the dance for that. I agree as 1/2 of our wedding reception was sucked up on pictures...and we even told the photographer to only take candids..yeah right! Anyway, I think I will fill out the form, have thecheck in there a if they are going to take pictures, and if they have time, or choose to, great, if not, kind of a bummer but it's ok.....or are pictures a mandatory thing? I would like them for his family(s) but feel it is really up to the kids...any thoughts?


Pam

 

[horseshowmom]

ElizaB39 - Tell your DD that she isn't alone. Mine was the same way at that age and still is. She never got involved in that junk but was a victim of it from time to time. There were people that she had known from a fairly young age that she wound up parting company with (it amazes her that people would want to be friends with people who act like that). As your DD is seeing, you don't want to be friends with people like that because they aren't your friends to start with.

DD still runs into it even in college from time to time. There's a girl in her classes who is very smart, but that seems to be all that she has (her parents don't seem to be too concerned about her life, and she has very few friends because she's soooo superior about her grades). She tries to give DD a hard time (DD has a 4.0, and this girl's GPA is just a fraction below that, and it seems to really get under her skin that DD has a higher GPA), but DD just feels sorry for her.

Tell your DD that it will get better. Just to stay true to who she is and to try to look at them through "clear" glasses. They really think they're something special, but they're failing as far as their progress in the human race.

 

[ElizaB39]

ElizaB39 - Tell your DD that she isn't alone. Mine was the same way at that age and still is. She never got involved in that junk but was a victim of it from time to time. There were people that she had known from a fairly young age that she wound up parting company with (it amazes her that people would want to be friends with people who act like that). As your DD is seeing, you don't want to be friends with people like that because they aren't your friends to start with.

DD still runs into it even in college from time to time. There's a girl in her classes who is very smart, but that seems to be all that she has (her parents don't seem to be too concerned about her life, and she has very few friends because she's soooo superior about her grades). She tries to give DD a hard time (DD has a 4.0, and this girl's GPA is just a fraction below that, and it seems to really get under her skin that DD has a higher GPA), but DD just feels sorry for her.

Tell your DD that it will get better. Just to stay true to who she is and to try to look at them through "clear" glasses. They really think they're something special, but they're failing as far as their progress in the human race.

Thank you for the kind words! They really do help and I do know that his will go one from time to time throughout her entire life. I do hope she is able to withstand the pressure, well, of all of it.

 

[horseshowmom]

FINFAN - I don't know whether you've got a good digital camera or not, but if you do, that may solve your problem.

DD was very blessed in her horse show career and won lots of awards (class, circuit, and overall show). That means lots of pictures (they set up a place with the professional photographer that has the sign/banner, decorations, year, etc.). Since these 8"x10" pictures go for $39 each (just for the one 8"x10" ), it could run into some real money fast.

We acquired a good digital camera and took our own pictures (they would let you use the set up). I only bought the professional pictures for the very highest awards (and still took my own). Honestly, most of the time ours were as good as theirs. Any minor imperfections can be edited out. Once we started doing it, we loved it (you get whatever size pictures you want).

While you wouldn't have access to the prom sign, you can edit your pictures yourself and add what you want (name of function and the year) across the top or bottom of the picture.

 

[FINFAN]

ElizaB39... I feel for your DD...Ds (12) tells me all the time how mean kids are at school, he plays mediator all the time. Just be there for your awesome DD and keep doing what you are, these girls are not friends, but it is so hard to be excluded...especially if you are the nice one! Yhet are probably threatened by her, y'know? I tell my kids when they are going thru grief w/someone..that isn't it a shame that this may be that persons shining moment? And they're wasting it on being mean, bossy, unkind...whatever is going on...that their ( my kids) moment will be a special one, that they have theor whole life to live and put this mess in the learning box. O.K. They think I am lame, but they get it what I mean...and some kids are jerky just to hear their own voice. I sure hope that your DD hangs in there!


Pam

 

[Sandy V.]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I haven't responded to their posts because my power keeps going on and off. Was off for an hour just after lunchtime. This spring storm has really caused a mess. We've got 10-12 inches of heavy wet stuff around here.

Must finish some work, but I WILL be back!!!

 

[Sandy V.]

We've taken BF with us twice - to Destin last July and to Orlando last December. He's as easy to have around as anybody we've ever come across. Absolutely, no problem. He had a ball at Disney (had never been).

His mother is like the one you talked about. We were laughing one time about if we ever had a problem that BF needed to remember that DH has a shotgun . He said, "Oh, that would be just the start. Then I'd have to deal with my mother! " They raise quarter horses, so she's used to handling horses lots bigger than him, and he knows what she does with studs who get too antsy! I have to add here, that he's definitely NOT a "mama's boy", but it's nice to see a young man who has a deep affection and respect for his parents.

. . .

DD's team won the National Horse Bowl competition in Denver (similar to Knowledge Bowl but more related to horses - epidemiology, reproduction, anatomy, disciplines, breeds, disease, you name it) in 2006, and she was the individual high point. There was a lot of snow that year, I think. She loved it up there.

We're from Mississippi, and we don't see much of that snow you're talking about. Although by now, I'd be ready to see it go (much as I love it in small doses ).

Boyfriend was a lot of fun on the vacation UNTIL he jumped this handrail in Boston and I had to tell him, "You know, the last thing I want to do is call your parents from a Boston hospital explaining how you smashed your face in. So please don't do that anymore."

His mother sounds like your DD's BF's mother. He also isn't a "mama's boy", but she does indulge him when he comes home and makes him every single favorite food that he's been craving.

Congratulations to your DD on her National Horse Bowl wins. Sounds like a great team AND individual accomplishment. Was that at the Western Stock Show? I've never been but would like to go some day.

I wish I was in Mississippi right now. At least there wouldn't be 10 inches or more of snow on the ground. I went out over the lunch hour to go to the grocery story - BIG mistake. The roads were still unplowed, I got tailgated going there and back (idiot drivers; you can't stop as quickly on this stuff) and when I got home, the garage door wouldn't open because the power was out. 2 hours later, things finally got back to "normal" (as normal as we are!) around here.

 

[horseshowmom]

Yep, it's part of the Western Stock Show. DD said it was really neat. She said she'd never seen a llama trail class before but that it was pretty entertaining! I think they stayed at the Renaissance in Denver.

Glad BF didn't injure himself. That would have been bad. The only thing we had to worry about in Destin was the sharks . For some reason, they had picked up in sighting frequency (which was a little bit disconcerting ).

You're welcome to come on down (as long as the pollen count won't kill you - it may get me before it's over ). We're in the 70's today, and everything is green. I think our winter is over, but you can never be sure here. One February, the temps had been warm for several days, and kids came to school in shorts. The National Weather Service warned that a winter storm was started our way, we had to dismiss school at around 11:30 a.m., and by 5 that afternoon, there was ice covering the roads.

 

[FINFAN]

I love reading about the wonderful talents of your riders...DD is just into the basics really...more of a pleasure rider, but did do well in one show...came out with 8 ribbons and 2 Grand Champions for her class/events...I guess that was all she needed, maybe to see how she'd do...well that and the fact that we don't have our own horse!
We have a digital camera, but not that top of the limne...I think I will go with the package I mentioned, I will more than likely kick myself if I don't.
GUess I need to put Prama aside for the next 2 days....ACT testing I just HATE that her college hinges on these tests...her futire is literllay going to be a series of dots on paper...seriously, it blows my mind. DD got the paintball certificate, and drew a card. They are going to dinner at 5:30 ( early due to ACT again on Thursday) and I will miss meeting ArtGuys fols yet again in person as I wil be at DS track meet, unless they are rained out...unlike y'all in 'Rado, not snowed in, but rained out.
Another question...should we get Art Guys boutonierre at the same plac ehe ordered DD's from to make sure the colors match? His mom left me a message today that he chose a hand held nosegay of the deep red roses in the middle, surrounded by white roses and then a black ribbon on the handle. DD will LOVE it...she will just go nuts...so I was hoping to match the red if I went to the same place and asked them to do the orders togehter? Is that too forward? Here's the thing, he works there, at a store and there is a floral dept, so he would see it, but is that a big deal? It's just that e has put so much thought into his choice for DD I thin matching is fairly important.

Gotta go, let me know what you guys think!


Pam

 

[mandy200587]

OKay I'm just getting back to this thread but for anything hair or makeup or prom related I used promspot.com

For makeup keep it simple,don't go to heavy but not to light with the makeup either. You need just a bit of makeup for the pictures they take at prom. I know I remember having to deal with that stuff for yearbook.

When I did my hair mine was like Jessica Simpson's wedding hair style but not as fancy and had two butterfly clips that matched my dress. Check out your local salons for hair books, go to Claires or that and look at hair accessories.

 

[Sandy V.]

Middle school drama continues. We talked again last night. She has been told it is in her "best interests" not to sit at their lunch table . One of the guys that "travels" from lunch table to lunch table told her that (nicely she said he is a friend of everyone). The first day they (the girls) told her there wasn't room for her at her regular table she shot back with a spirited, "I know there is room because Alice and Barb (names changed to protect the innocent, well, okay I will fess up, I don't know their names!) are out sick today", and then she turned around with her nose a bit up in the air and walked away. There are plenty of people for her to sit with and socialize with and noone else is on the bandwagon but the three original ones.

My DH has talked with her too, but has admitted to me, "the girl stuff, I just don't get it". I told him he doesn't have to, just to love and support her etc. Of course he already does this. He asked her if she still wanted to be friends with them and she said, "no, not if they don't want to be friends with me." She is not clamoring to get "back in their good graces."

She just doesn't "get" the drama, she never has. She doesn't participate in it either (disclaimer: from what I know at this time). Earlier this year she was friends with two girls who had a "fight", she stayed friends with both of them. None of her friends "understood" it, and even an older sister of a friend asked her how she could be friends with both girls. In her eyes, there just isn't an issue and she finds it perfectly logical to be friends with many people and not to get involved with their drama. I had to explain to her that most girls didn't think or feel this way, at least at her age.

She just is a different thinker, that is how I explain it to her...

I love this kid so much, she is just great. I hate that she has to go through this, but I know it will teach and bring her empathy, at least that is my hope.

Sorry about the drama, although it sounds like your DD is handling the whole thing very well. My own DD ended up having a lot more guy friends than girl friends by the end of high school - she got so sick of some of the games that the girls played - and the backstabbing.

Just keep on hugging her and telling her that she's loved, and this too shall pass.

 

[Sandy V.]

Thanks for the awesome beauty suggestions all! This is truly a group effort! I'll run them by DD and see what she's up for..one more question..
Do you guys order the picture packages that they charge an arm/leg for? Since Art Guy has 2 families, the only package we he offered that covers more than 2 5x7's or 8x10's runs as a 2 pose package with a tag of 65.... but more than willing to do it as he has picked up the ticket cost, DD is paying for the Limo for them herself, so we realy are not getting hammered too badly, at least not compared to some stories I have heard.
OOOOOhhhh, amybe if DD went with the burgundy nails and then a burgundy/garnet type crystal for the choker? O.K. back to pictures...the only thing is DD says the line for pictures can be up to an hour long and no way do they want to miss an hour of the dance for that. I agree as 1/2 of our wedding reception was sucked up on pictures...and we even told the photographer to only take candids..yeah right! Anyway, I think I will fill out the form, have thecheck in there a if they are going to take pictures, and if they have time, or choose to, great, if not, kind of a bummer but it's ok.....or are pictures a mandatory thing? I would like them for his family(s) but feel it is really up to the kids...any thoughts?


Pam

You're welcome, Pam. Our school has never offered prom photo packages to the best of my knowledge. At least DD never bought any! We just used a good digital camera to take pictures at home beforehand and then made lots of copies and enlargements through walmart.com.

The burgandy choker could be very pretty with the dress!!

Good morning to all! After having no internet service all last night and having several of my typed messages lost before I hit "Submit Reply", it's good to be back.

 

[Sandy V.]

Mandy200587 - great suggestions and welcome to the thread!!