Let the gutter politics begin!!

[DawnCt1]

Your feelings for obama, and the right wing attack points you write are scary!!!

You clearly are bothered by this man, and have spent a good portion of your time looking into and memorizing right wing propaganda.

I wonder if you have spent as much time looking onto Mccain.....If i post the rolling stine article on mccain, does it make it correct???

I don't have to "memorize'. I remember what I read.

 

[Goofyluver]

She recited his biography. Which of those facts were wrong?

No...she stated her beliefs about a candidate and placed her spin on his life story. Even down to the reason he joined a church...to launch himself into Washington.

Good read.

I'll stick to my original post on this thread.

Negative campaining such as Sarah Palin's statements today are a tactic used in desperation.

"Things aren't going my way...so I'm going to take pot shots."

Apparently...some on this thread are taking their examples directly from the candidate they're supporting.

But, keep it up. It's really working on me. I'm feeling a change in my vote cometh.

 

[corndog]

Even down to the reason he joined a church...to launch himself into Washington.

Obama himself has said this in trying to separate himself from Reverend Wright.

 

[joviroxx]

Negative campaining such as Sarah Palin's statements today are a tactic used in desperation.

.

So what was it when Obama put out an ad about McCain not even being able to use email?

 

[Goofyluver]

Obama himself has said this in trying to separate himself from Reverend Wright.

Link. I've been looking...can't seem to find where he states that he joined a church for the purpose of launching himself to Washington.

So what was it when Obama put out an ad about McCain not even being able to use email?

If you look back...I also stated I hated negative campaigning by ANY candidate.

My post was in response to a hate-filled spew against Barack Obama.

 

[bsnyder]

But you then claimed that my opinions were based on some supposed "memo", correct? That I couldn't have thought these things on my own, from my own experiences? Therefore making the assumption that I'm just another "brainwashed Obama-bot"?

I've stated it before and obviously I'll have to say it again: I voted Republican until the 2000 election, except for the one stupid year I thought a 3rd party would actually make it into the White House; therefore throwing my vote away on Perot.

If McCain had won the nomination in 2000, would I have voted for him? I don't know and I probably never will. I know I wasn't enthralled with Al Gore---Bill's Clinton's behavior in the White House soured me on the whole ticket. But seeing George Bush's methods in securing the nomination caused me to vote for Gore with my nose plugged. Watching Bush in the White House ever since has pushed me more towards the Democratic ticket since then.

But obviously I could never have any respect for John McCain, because I don't have a brain of my own, do I?

Brianne, here was the way I reacted to your post: As soon as McCain started gaining some traction (this first occured after Obama's triumphant European tour), the media started pushing the storyline that the way that McCain was campaigning was somehow dishonest, or beneath him. The media does this storyline thing all the time - surely you see it and hear it when you read or watch the news - they all coalese around a common narrative - there is a herd mentality quality to our MSM. This particular narrative is just one of many, about all candidates, that occurs during an election.

Now, I think you'd agree that many people do in fact base their opinions on these storylines. We even have a phrase to describe it - "the conventional wisdom".

You say you didn't arrive at your opinon that way. Good for you. I truly mean that, and as you said, I have no basis for doubting it.

I re-read my original post, and I think the biggest problem is that I was way too snarky. I apologize for that - I really do try not to resort to sarcasm, but I admit that I fall short of the standards I myself like to see in arguing politics here on the DIS.

But I do stand by my assertion that I think the media narrative is disengenous - that they could care less about McCain's "honor", the only reason they had any fondness for him before now is because he lost and because he's given Conservatives fits in the past. Now that he's the GOP nominee, they'll work to defeat him in any disengenous fashion they can come up with.

 

[joviroxx]

If you look back...I also stated I hated negative campaigning by ANY candidate.

My post was in response to a hate-filled spew against Barack Obama.

I realize you said that. Probably should have been more clear and posted as a question., If you think negative campaigning like Palin's comment was a tactic and shows desperation, was Obama's ad the same thing?

Obama has consistently claimed he is above negative ads but the past has shown he doesn't try to win on his policies but by attacking others. Not to say McCain or anyone else isn't the same. I just find it hypocritical to say that on McCain/Palin's side its deperation, negative and gutter politics, but with Obama it's just what?

 

[bsnyder]

If you look back...I also stated I hated negative campaigning by ANY candidate.

I'll take you at your word - I know that many people do. I'm not one of them. Politics is a rough sport - and Presidential politics is the mother of all rough sports.

However, I will point out that most Democrats were furious when Obama slipped in the polls and McCain went ahead and were demanding that he "take the gloves off". And he did, with his own blistering ads.

Right now, he has the lead. If that changes at any time between now and election day (or even if the race starts to tighten), most of the same people and reporters who are decrying "gutter poltiics" will cheer Obama on when he sits down in that gutter too. They will simply want him to win.

 

[tasha99]

Both sides participate in negative campaigning because it works. I don't see how the McCain campaign getting "tougher" is any different from Obama's taking their gloves off (seems like he's claimed he'd do that several times.) There's no story here, just a bunch of wasted outrage.

 

[lsyorke]

Coincidentally, when he was a student in NYC he lived two blocks from Bill Ayers but they didn't know each other?

Had to comment on this one....yeah, everyone that lives within two blocks of each other in NYC are best friends! Do you know how many people live in a two block radius in NYC????

That is the most ridiculous statement I've seen so far!!

 

[Goofyluver]

Brianne, here was the way I reacted to your post: As soon as McCain started gaining some traction (this first occured after Obama's triumphant European tour), the media started pushing the storyline that the way that McCain was campaigning was somehow dishonest, or beneath him. The media does this storyline thing all the time - surely you see it and hear it when you read or watch the news - they all coalese around a common narrative - there is a herd mentality quality to our MSM. This particular narrative is just one of many, about all candidates, that occurs during an election.

Now, I think you'd agree that many people do in fact base their opinions on these storylines. We even have a phrase to describe it - "the conventional wisdom".

You say you didn't arrive at your opinon that way. Good for you. I truly mean that, and as you said, I have no basis for doubting it.

I re-read my original post, and I think the biggest problem is that I was way too snarky. I apologize for that - I really do try not to resort to sarcasm, but I admit that I fall short of the standards I myself like to see in arguing politics here on the DIS.

But I do stand by my assertion that I think the media narrative is disengenous - that they could care less about McCain's "honor", the only reason they had any fondness for him before now is because he lost and because he's given Conservatives fits in the past. Now that he's the GOP nominee, they'll work to defeat him in any disengenous fashion they can come up with.

I'm going to agree with many points in your post.

1. Many people do in fact base their opinions on storylines heard through the media...without doing research on a subject for themselves. The problem lies with those that only do research that supports their established opinion...and do not pay attention to research that may provide statements that in fact disprove their initial beliefs. Another problem lies with those that take purely speculatory "news" pieces as "truth".

2. I'm going to agree with the media narrative being disengenuous...towards BOTH Obama and McCain...depending on where you get your news. We all see it. We all know where to go if you want to see "support" for your candidate...or "criticism" of the other candidate.

I'm hoping that people can see through that as well...and develop their opinions based on fact...and not spin. But, we all know that doesn't always happen.

3. I will disagree with you on the media not seeing McCain's "honor". I think that many of us, myself included, see what an honorable man John McCain is. I respect him more than I can ever say for the sacrifice he has given to this country. However, I cannot give him my vote because we have too many differences in our beliefs.

I think your statement on the media not seeing the "honor" in McCain can also be said for Barack Obama. This man has dedicated his life to making a difference in other's lives. You may not see it that way. But, many of us do. But, to pretend that the street only travels in one direction is not being mindful of reality.

 

[Brianne]

Brianne, here was the way I reacted to your post: As soon as McCain started gaining some traction (this first occured after Obama's triumphant European tour), the media started pushing the storyline that the way that McCain was campaigning was somehow dishonest, or beneath him. The media does this storyline thing all the time - surely you see it and hear it when you read or watch the news - they all coalese around a common narrative - there is a herd mentality quality to our MSM. This particular narrative is just one of many, about all candidates, that occurs during an election.

Now, I think you'd agree that many people do in fact base their opinions on these storylines. We even have a phrase to describe it - "the conventional wisdom".

You say you didn't arrive at your opinon that way. Good for you. I truly mean that, and as you said, I have no basis for doubting it.

I re-read my original post, and I think the biggest problem is that I was way too snarky. I apologize for that - I really do try not to resort to sarcasm, but I admit that I fall short of the standards I myself like to see in arguing politics here on the DIS.

But I do stand by my assertion that I think the media narrative is disengenous - that they could care less about McCain's "honor", the only reason they had any fondness for him before now is because he lost and because he's given Conservatives fits in the past. Now that he's the GOP nominee, they'll work to defeat him in any disengenous fashion they can come up with.

Apology accepted.

I can't stomach watching the news, and as for getting the news online, you have to dig through a lot of crap to get to anything that has a kernel of truth in it any more.

I'll read just about anything as long as it at least attempts to keep from going into rabid frothing-at-the-mouth writing. That goes for Red State as much as it does Daily KOS, Washington Post vs Washington Times, CNN, LA Times, and so on. As long as the writing isn't screaming and spouting off a bunch of nonsense, I'm willing to think it through.

I honestly did not start really looking at either candidate for the longest time; being registered undeclared, I cannot vote in the primaries. I liked John Edwards, at least until the recent information about him came out. But I'm never going to vote for someone without knowing my facts first and then basing my opinion on what I've researched. I think if more people did that, the world might be a more sane place. For now in the 24/7 news cycle where you find out even when a person sneezed, I don't have a lot of hope of that happening.

I try to keep emotion out of most of my postings in the political nature because I know it irritates the crap out of me when I see it. People screaming "OMG he SUCKS! She's stupid!"--- 99% of the time, I'll immediately skip the post. If you (generalized you!) can't talk about a subject as an adult, I don't feel the need to treat your post with the respect an adult deserves.

I'm not perfect; far from it, and I'll be the first to admit it. But I do try to give people respect & benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

I appreciate your explanation.

 

[Goofyluver]

I realize you said that. Probably should have been more clear and posted as a question., If you think negative campaigning like Palin's comment was a tactic and shows desperation, was Obama's ad the same thing?

Obama has consistently claimed he is above negative ads but the past has shown he doesn't try to win on his policies but by attacking others. Not to say McCain or anyone else isn't the same. I just find it hypocritical to say that on McCain/Palin's side its deperation, negative and gutter politics, but with Obama it's just what?

Gutter politics.

I'll take you at your word - I know that many people do. I'm not one of them. Politics is a rough sport - and Presidential politics is the mother of all rough sports.

However, I will point out that most Democrats were furious when Obama slipped in the polls and McCain went ahead and were demanding that he "take the gloves off". And he did, with his own blistering ads.

Right now, he has the lead. If that changes at any time between now and election day (or even if the race starts to tighten), most of the same people and reporters who are decrying "gutter poltiics" will cheer Obama on when he sits down in that gutter too. They will simply want him to win.

See above.

 

[Alaska DogCat]

It's all a shame.

 

[IDoDis]

All I can say is that the Republican party that used to be around (pre G.W. Bush) are a dying breed. However, the new Republican breed (Limbaugh, Hannity and their puppet followers) are out there and will stop at nothing to try and win an election, not based on issues or truth, but on dirty politics. When McCain started his campaign, he pledged to run a clean campaign and said he would only focus on the issues. Like many other things, he's lied about this, too. It worked for the Republicans in the last presidential campaign with the swift boating of Kerry, but the majority of the voters are wiser now.

I predict this lame attempt will backfire on McCain/Palin and will only make them sink deeper. It's desperate politics, but it's not going to work. They are on a sinking ship and looking for a life preserver. Well, the ship is sinking and they are going to go down with the ship.

 

[Auntie Ruth]

I may be the only one with this thought but here it is. Are we Americans or not? Hasn't all our leaders been Americans? Don't we all get up every morning thinking how great it is to live in a country made free and kept free by my our sons and daughters fathers and brothers and friends. Can someone possibly explain to me how this great nation would elect to lead our nation any man or woman who will not be honest enough to tell the people that they so ergently want to take control of 1.where they are truly from,2.where they are getting their money from,3.why their wife has such a dislike for Americans 4. and why for heavens sake can't they stand up to their opponents without using every underhanded means available to them with their money to destroy them ????????

 

[Alaska DogCat]

...When McCain started his campaign, he pledged to run a clean campaign and said he would only focus on the issues. Like many other things, he's lied about this, too. It worked for the Republicans in the last presidential campaign with the swift boating of Kerry, but the majority of the voters are wiser now.

I predict this lame attempt will backfire on McCain/Palin and will only make them sink deeper. It's desperate politics, but it's not going to work. They are on a sinking ship and looking for a life preserver. Well, the ship is sinking and they are going to go down with the ship.

There was a time when I felt either Obama or McCain would be good as president. As the campaign has went on, I find myself wondering what happened to McCain. I believe that he is about putting his country first, that he believes in his heart that his political philosophy is the best for America and that he is a man of honor.

However, I am disappointed by the tone the campaign is taking. I am very disappointed in his picking an unqualified person to be a heartbeat away from the presidency and her transformation into a far-right wing mouthpiece.

I hope we as a nation are smarter than this and whatever candidate each of us is voting for is not based on some hyperbole about the other side being evil or a terrorist or whatever buzz words they come up with in the next month. There's too much at stake.

 

[TLSnell1981]

All I can say is that the Republican party that used to be around (pre G.W. Bush) are a dying breed. However, the new Republican breed (Limbaugh, Hannity and their puppet followers) are out there and will stop at nothing to try and win an election, not based on issues or truth, but on dirty politics. When McCain started his campaign, he pledged to run a clean campaign and said he would only focus on the issues. Like many other things, he's lied about this, too. It worked for the Republicans in the last presidential campaign with the swift boating of Kerry, but the majority of the voters are wiser now.

I predict this lame attempt will backfire on McCain/Palin and will only make them sink deeper. It's desperate politics, but it's not going to work. They are on a sinking ship and looking for a life preserver. Well, the ship is sinking and they are going to go down with the ship.

I see you are laying this type of "politicking" on the republicans doorstep. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that democrats do this to. They laugh and brag about the "loud and in your face" brand of politics. Republicans are learning to fight back....thus Rush and Hannity. It no longer pays to be Mr/Mrs Nice Guy in politics. MSM will eat you alive.