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[declansdad]

Alabama’s governor signed an executive order allowing school administrators to carry, it’s a start. They have to meet certain criteria but people are trying and that’s a move in the right direction.

Are these administrators trained in using a weapon in a crisis situation?

 

[luvsJack]

Alabama’s governor signed an executive order allowing school administrators to carry, it’s a start. They have to meet certain criteria but people are trying and that’s a move in the right direction.

I think all states should follow suit. Training and background checks of course.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

I think all states should follow suit. Training and background checks of course.

I this is a terrible idea! Have you seen the studies on police shooting accuracy rates (people who, you know, have training)? They are LOW. Yet you think arming administrators is a good plan?
I can see it now - a school district sued for millions after one of their employees kills a student.

 

[luvsJack]

I this is a terrible idea! Have you seen the studies on police shooting accuracy rates (people who, you know, have training)? They are LOW. Yet you think arming administrators is a good plan?
I can see it now - a school district sued for millions after one of their employees kills a student.

It has already stopped a school shooter in Pearl, MS, before Columbine. And others have been stopped by an armed person.

Not sure of the problem with the accuracy rates, maybe an officer can explain? Every cop I know goes to the range and practices or is further trained or whatever it is they do there. There is a range by dh’s work and officers come from all over to shoot. A former officer has a range down the road from me that he teaches and trains those who want a concealed carry.

A lot of administrators here are former military so they have that training too.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I this is a terrible idea! Have you seen the studies on police shooting accuracy rates (people who, you know, have training)? They are LOW. Yet you think arming administrators is a good plan?
I can see it now - a school district sued for millions after one of their employees kills a student.

I think it’s more about taking the bullseye off schools. Right now, they are viewed as a “soft target” where a shooter can fire (and reload) with no resistance whatsoever. Altering that perspective may be the most important thing we can do to reduce these shootings.

 

[luvsJack]

I think it’s more about taking the bullseye off schools. Right now, they are viewed as a “soft target” where a shooter can fire (and reload) with no resistance whatsoever. Altering that perspective may be the most important thing we can do to reduce these shootings.

Exactly. They would no longer just be sitting ducks. There would be reason to give these shooters pause.

 

[UncleMike101]

It has already stopped a school shooter in Pearl, MS, before Columbine. And others have been stopped by an armed person.

Not sure of the problem with the accuracy rates, maybe an officer can explain? Every cop I know goes to the range and practices or is further trained or whatever it is they do there. There is a range by dh’s work and officers come from all over to shoot. A former officer has a range down the road from me that he teaches and trains those who want a concealed carry.

A lot of administrators here are former military so they have that training too.

Unfortunately there are a number of Officers working on the streets who look at their sidearm as nothing more a counterbalance weight for the gear on the opposite side of their duty belt and they don't give a rats behind how good they are with it as long as they pass the minimum qualification course.
Those are usually the types who aspire to be a career "desk driver" and look at their time on the streets as an unfortunate part of their career.
Some Departments have taken measures to force those unmotivated types to improve their skills set.
The use of "surprise" moving targets and the use of targets with a smaller score area are making those with a lackadaisical attitude towards qualification pay more attention to improvement.
The rules are if you don't qualify on the tougher combat course, you can't carry a sidearm, and by default if you can't carry a sidearm you can't be an Officer.
The other factor in OIS situations is that many Officers haven't learned how to channel their adrenaline rush's into a useful tool instead of a debilitating shock to their system which often causes them to spray shots wildly in the hope of hitting their target eventually..
One often sees more experienced Officers follow the advice of Wyatt Earp which most often results in minimal danger to anyone but the bad guy.
Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything. In a gun fight... You need to take your time in a hurry.”
-- Wyatt Earp

 

[luvsJack]

Unfortunately there are a number of Officers working on the streets who look at their sidearm as nothing more a counterbalance weight for the gear on the opposite side of their duty belt and they don't give a rats behind how good they are with it as long as they pass the minimum qualification course.
Those are usually the types who aspire to be a career "desk driver" and look at their time on the streets as an unfortunate part of their career.
Some Departments have taken measures to force those unmotivated types to improve their skills set.
The use of "surprise" moving targets and the use of targets with a smaller score area are making those with a lackadaisical attitude towards qualification pay more attention to improvement.
The rules are if you don't qualify on the tougher combat course, you can't carry a sidearm, and by default if you can't carry a sidearm you can't be an Officer.
The other factor in OIS situations is that many Officers haven't learned how to channel their adrenaline rush's into a useful tool instead of a debilitating shock to their system which often causes them to spray shots wildly in the hope of hitting their target eventually..
One often sees more experienced Officers follow the advice of Wyatt Earp which most often results in minimal danger to anyone but the bad guy.
Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything. In a gun fight... You need to take your time in a hurry.”
-- Wyatt Earp

So it’s not lack of available training, it’s lack of being motivated to be better.

 

[UncleMike101]

So it’s not lack of available training, it’s lack of being motivated to be better.

Yes........
However the restraints placed on Departments by local Government leaders can also be a factor by making the acquisition of the necessary funds for proper training a nightmare for the Training Officer who often don't even have a suitable place to conduct their training.
My Departments range is used by over half a dozen other agencies who don't have facilities for firearms training.
Which is a good thing for them since they can channel their limited funds into the purchase of consumables used in the training exercises.
Once the training if available it's up to the individual Officers to motivate themselves toward improving their skills.

 

[luvsJack]

Yes........
However the restraints placed on Departments by local Government leaders can also be a factor by making the acquisition of the necessary funds for proper training a nightmare for the Training Officer who often don't even have a suitable place to conduct their training.
My Departments range is used by over half a dozen other agencies who don't have facilities for firearms training.
Which is a good thing for them since they can channel their limited funds into the purchase of consumables used in the training exercises.
Once the training if available it's up to the individual Officers to motivate themselves toward improving their skills.

So basically the studies don’t really mean squat. You have to look at the individual officers and whether they are doing what they need to and are provided with what they need to do it with.

I know the one close to dh’s work will have officers from all over the state. I guess their departments pay for their travel, etc as they arrive in their department vehicles. So that definitely upholds what you are saying.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Are these administrators trained in using a weapon in a crisis situation?

I believe they are suppose to pass a background check, mental examination, drug testing, trained by the sheriffs office and sworn in as a reserve sheriffs deputy. So I would say yes their seems to be training requirements.

 

[rickybobby]

No offense to those kids, but they really don’t know anything about the topic.

All your sponsors will now be boycotted.

 

[rickybobby]

Are these administrators trained in using a weapon in a crisis situation?

What other use would they be trained to use it for?

 

[rickybobby]

Perhaps we can do a mass hypnosis, and convince everyone we are in Canada. Problem solved!

 

[declansdad]

I believe they are suppose to pass a background check, mental examination, drug testing, trained by the sheriffs office and sworn in as a reserve sheriffs deputy. So I would say yes their seems to be training requirements.

What other use would they be trained to use it for?

There is a big difference between those things and being trained on how to react in a high pressure hostage/active shooter situation. Not many teachers or administrators would have that type of training, let along training that would include the use of a firearm in that type of situation.

 

[UncleMike101]

So basically the studies don’t really mean squat. You have to look at the individual officers and whether they are doing what they need to and are provided with what they need to do it with.

I know the one close to dh’s work will have officers from all over the state. I guess their departments pay for their travel, etc as they arrive in their department vehicles. So that definitely upholds what you are saying.

Exactly.....

 

[CdnCarrie]

We have gun amnesty day in our city today. Maybe that should be tried.

 

[rickybobby]

There is a big difference between those things and being trained on how to react in a high pressure hostage/active shooter situation. Not many teachers or administrators would have that type of training, let along training that would include the use of a firearm in that type of situation.

Let's face it. I can't say for sure how I will react in a real world, bullets flying environment. I will go out on a limb and say you also do not know how you will react under this pressure. So the answer is, no, can't do that. It is a continuing theme. Ideas are being conveyed, with people replying "I don't want my kids school to be like a prison". "It would take too long to go through metal detectors". "I want my teachers teaching, not playing soldier".
We already tried putting up signs saying "This is a gun free zone", and for some strange reason, it does not work. So how about some ideas other then "try again" from all the naysayers.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

There is a big difference between those things and being trained on how to react in a high pressure hostage/active shooter situation. Not many teachers or administrators would have that type of training, let along training that would include the use of a firearm in that type of situation.

Their suppose to train with the sheriffs deputies, not swat team members. Are you suggesting all police aren’t trained to deal with hostage/high stress situations, because we’re clearly ok with officers rushing to the scene.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Let's face it. I can't say for sure how I will react in a real world, bullets flying environment. I will go out on a limb and say you also do not know how you will react under this pressure. So the answer is, no, can't do that. It is a continuing theme. Ideas are being conveyed, with people replying "I don't want my kids school to be like a prison". "It would take too long to go through metal detectors". "I want my teachers teaching, not playing soldier".
We already tried putting up signs saying "This is a gun free zone", and for some strange reason, it does not work. So how about some ideas other then "try again" from all the naysayers.

Perhaps we need bigger signs.