laptop for college how much to we need

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Planning on giving DD a laptop for Christmas as she will be off to college next year. Every time I ask her what she wants she smiles and says a MAC. I think a MAC is a WANT and not a NEED.

Does anyone have any recommendation or guidance on this subject.
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:) Nothing wrong with a MAC if that is what she wants. I would check the school where she is going. In some cases they can get discounts for students. I also do believe a week or two before school begins there is a tax free time if buying computers. Also...If you buy from a company like newegg, circuit city or someplace that does not have a brick and mortar store in your state you will not have to pay sales tax or you can just take a quick trip into Delaware. Should not be more then a hour each way... I have never been a MAC person and you can get a very nice middle of the road PC laptop for a third what a MAC would cost. But... if her heart is set on a MAC then i would swing by their website, go to their educational section (they don't really make you prove it) and see what it costs. If you go dell you can also go to their educational section but they require an email address that ends in .edu. So she should wait until she in enrolled and the school should give her an email address that will end in .edu. No matter what you do, don't get it now. Wait until nearly the last minute. With the economy as it is, prices are likely to go down a little more (although probably not too much with a MAC) as time progresses on. If you go PC get one with at least 4 gigs of memory. That will dictate you are middle of the road or better. MACs...i have no idea. You may consider a high end netbook. They are super light to carry around, do anything a laptop can do and generally have amazing battery life.
 
Mac is a want.. not a need....;) My older DD just graduated with her BA, she used a Dell 4GB memory & 500 GB Hard Drive... had more than enough room & was fast enough for what she needed. My younger DD is still in going for her AA, she has a Toshiba 3GB memory & 320 GB Hard Drive.. fast enough and enough memory for what she is doing.. The Dell was $500 and the Toshiba was under $400... I also have the same Toshiba.. and I love it.. we got her the Toshiba when she was in her last year of high school actually and did not have to get her another for college. It will be 2 years old this Nov. She has used it for one year of college already.. and this year, one of her books is an e-book.. and so far so good...
 
Please don't assume that a MAC is always a want...it CAN in fact be a need.

My daughter is majoring in Graphic Design and the MAC is considered a standard workhorse in the design world. Based on recommendations and information from the college she attends, we got her a MacBookPro when she graduated from high school in 2009. We got educational pricing and also purchased the AppleCare warranty.

The machine has been a workhorse for her, never once crashing or getting 'infected' with anything. Battery life has been superb for over two years (just now starting to diminish, but under her warranty it will be replaced if needed before June of 2012).

The AppleCare has paid for itself. She required a CD-drive replacement (she uses it constantly) and was taken care of in less than two days. While they had it, they recommended replacing the hard drive and that too was done under warranty. We didn't pay a dime.
 

I think Christmas is way to early for making this purchase. I would wait until you know more specifics as to what she needs for college (i.e. as a PP mentioned - a Mac is appropriate for some majors, and a PC perfect for others.) You really need to know what is recommended by the college she will be attending.
 
Please don't assume that a MAC is always a want...it CAN in fact be a need.

My daughter is majoring in Graphic Design and the MAC is considered a standard workhorse in the design world. Based on recommendations and information from the college she attends, we got her a MacBookPro when she graduated from high school in 2009. We got educational pricing and also purchased the AppleCare warranty.

The machine has been a workhorse for her, never once crashing or getting 'infected' with anything. Battery life has been superb for over two years (just now starting to diminish, but under her warranty it will be replaced if needed before June of 2012).

The AppleCare has paid for itself. She required a CD-drive replacement (she uses it constantly) and was taken care of in less than two days. While they had it, they recommended replacing the hard drive and that too was done under warranty. We didn't pay a dime.

It doesn't sound like it has been a workhorse. You have had a CD drive fail and a hard drive was likely to fail in under 2 years? So much for those quality built Macs huh?

The one thing to note is any myth that Macs are better in the graphics world hasn't been true in years. In fact, Adobe has been giving new features to Windows first, and the Adobe packages are the industry standard. I would actually be concerned as Adobe has all but threatened to quit supporting Macs in recent years due to constant mistreatment from Apple. Adobe and Apple definitely do not get along, and even Apple's own high end video product is widely regarded as absolute junk by those in the industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxKYuF9pENQ
 
I swear by Apple products. As I sit here and type on my almost 4 year old macbook and think about how I replaced my dell at this time in its life (and had already replaced the hard drive 1 year into owning it). My battery life isn't what it used to be, but with a four year old battery, can I really complain? Its better than my fiancee's lap top battery has ever been.

Yes, a Mac is a want and not a need, but they pay for themselves over time. Plus, if you do have any issues, you don't have to fight with them to fix it. I've had small issues here and there and I've never had to give up my computer for more than 24 hours.
 
I would like to add, that I have never (knock on wood) had to ship back the Dell or the Toshiba for anything..They never crashed.. nor have they gotten any viruses.. they are used for both class and pleasure. They upload their pictures (tons of them) from their camera's and phones to them. They do all their homework & reports, they are taken to and from class. My one daughter with the BA majored in Communication's and my younger who is still in is going for her general AA and then going into the X-ray program.. no graphic designs.. but lots of reports..
 
I think Christmas is way to early for making this purchase. I would wait until you know more specifics as to what she needs for college (i.e. as a PP mentioned - a Mac is appropriate for some majors, and a PC perfect for others.) You really need to know what is recommended by the college she will be attending.

I agree with this. Definately wait until you know for sure where she is going and what will be needed there. Maybe give it to her as a graduation gift.
 
I got a great price on a Dell laptop directly from Dell around President's Day. They offered some great "holiday" pricing. Sign up for their e-mails. They have sales all the time.

Make sure you get one with a built in camera so you can Skype her at school.
 
It doesn't sound like it has been a workhorse. You have had a CD drive fail and a hard drive was likely to fail in under 2 years? So much for those quality built Macs huh?

The one thing to note is any myth that Macs are better in the graphics world hasn't been true in years. In fact, Adobe has been giving new features to Windows first, and the Adobe packages are the industry standard. I would actually be concerned as Adobe has all but threatened to quit supporting Macs in recent years due to constant mistreatment from Apple. Adobe and Apple definitely do not get along, and even Apple's own high end video product is widely regarded as absolute junk by those in the industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxKYuF9pENQ

Yes...I would definitely consider it a workhorse.

It is used HOURS every single day...between her personal use and school use it probably has been used the equivalent of double the time for most computers.

Requiring replacement of a a CD bay and hard drive really isn't all that unusual. Hard drives do NOT last forever...we went through three on our Dell that was only five years old. The more they spin and get used, the more life they use. In a graphics-heavy environment that my daughter's MAC is subject to the drive gets a ton of use.

I don't really agree with the idea that Adobe and Apple don't get along. My daughter owns and uses the entire Creative Suite and has had zero issues with it.
 
I don't really agree with the idea that Adobe and Apple don't get along. My daughter owns and uses the entire Creative Suite and has had zero issues with it.

You are just not well versed in software development. Go to google. type adobe and apple. Google will auto finish your thought with suggestions of war, feud, and conflict. If you go back to the days when Apple was the graphics king, thanks entirely to Adobe and Postscript, you will see how the relationship soured when Apple came out with a competing product TrueType. Apple screwed Adobe later, doing what Apple does and keeping things secret until the last second, and removed support for a certain way of developing software for Macs. Adobe wasn't about to re-write millions of lines of code, and so they didn't release a very important update for Photoshop for Macs. Adobe also went public with the reason why, and the long standing hatred developers have with Apple's treatment of developers came to a boil. (And also embarrassed Apple as Photoshop wouldn't support 64 bit like it did on Windows)

Along comes Flash, and Apple goes out and says it is the primary reason Macs crash, and they won't allow such crap on their iPhones. The real reason is Apple refuses to allow Adobe access to low level libraries, so Adobe won't put flash on iPhones. Apple invents a tale that HTML5 is the reason, and they are blocking Flash for your own good. (So nice of them to decide what we should do on the internet)

Adobe has no love for Apple. With Apple releasing competitors to Adobe products every year, it is only a matter of time before Adobe dumps Apple.

This has nothing to do with which laptop to get, but I just hate when people try to make the bogus claim that Macs are better for graphics and other "creative" applications. That hasn't been true for a long time, and when CS4 came out showed that Windows had moved ahead. (Apple finally caught up with the next release 2 years later) The Conan video further shows how Apple's own attempts in this area are laughable. Go ahead and buy a Mac, just don't do it because someone told you they are "better for graphics students" or more secure. If Apple was really doing anything amazing that Windows wasn't, Apple wouldn't be sitting at the bottom with only 3% market share.
 
She is not planning to study graphic design and it seems the want for a mac is more of a status symbol thing. She hasn't given any reason why she wants a mac over a PC. I have looked at them and they are at least 2Xs as much as a PC.

Our main focus is helping her graduate with the least amount of dept possible. The last few years I felt like we were throwing good money after bad buying "stuff" to put under the tree, thought getting the laptop out of the way now instead of next summer when the big school bills become a reality would be a good idea.

I also wonder how big of a screen to look at, for my old eyes the bigger the better but if she needs to take it to class would a big screen equal more weight??
 
Well that is very generous of you to put a minimum $1K present under the tree for a teenager. If she has her heart set on a Mac and doesn't really need one then give her a gift card to the Apple store for maybe $200 this year for Christmas and tell all your friends and family that she is saving for a computer. She can then save up all her GC's for this big purchase. Sometimes when a kid finds out that this one gift will be all she gets, her tune may chang on "needing" a Mac.

When in college I wanted a very expensive bracelet ($600) and for every occasion for almost a year I only got GCs to the jeweler. I don't think my parents thought I had the patience to save up for it, but it worked out great in the end. They stopped buying me useless gifts and I got one great piece of jewelry that I still love to this day.
 
...I also wonder how big of a screen to look at, for my old eyes the bigger the better but if she needs to take it to class would a big screen equal more weight??

Yes, a bigger screen will be heavier. My son got a 17" Inspiron and he loves it. I got him the backpack case for it and he can carry it that way. I also got him an eight hour spare battery, so he can use it all day without plugging it in if he needs to.
 
I also wonder how big of a screen to look at, for my old eyes the bigger the better but if she needs to take it to class would a big screen equal more weight??
Unless your kid is really into gaming I would go with the smallest screen you can afford. They will be carrying it all day and those big screens are HEAVY! I love the 14.1' Inspirons from Dell.
 
We have Sony Vaio's and they have never crashed. Mine is 5 years old. I know little about what's good, etc. I know how to turn it on and how to use word and excel which are the two things I need to know at my work. I've had my job for over 20 plus years and it was not so computer oriented when I started. Mostly I work with email and very simple spreadsheets and documents.

I work on dells at work- my desk has a brand new dell desktop model and I have a brand new dell laptop for my field work which the paper I had to sign says replacement value 2500, but kind of hate them compared to our Sony Vaios.

I probably would'nt spend big bucks on a laptop such as a Mac - I'd buy something she can use now. My kids have had their own personal computers since age 10 - with parental supervison of course. They are all adults now. It's a tool. We started them with desktops and moved on to laptops. In high school they were the kids helping the teachers muddle through computer classes. In college my one daughter landed a data entry job for a few hours a week which gives her spending money and a tuition break because she was so proficient in various programs. And a lot of the speed comes from her video game aptitude.....

Good luck to your daughter in college!
 
I've been an adjunct instructor at a major research university for 4 years now. So, I've seen quite a few laptops over the years. I agree you should wait until closer to the start of school. Odds are your DD doesn't know or isn't very sure what she will be majoring in yet. Many undergrads change their major the first year. So, unless she knows she'll be majoring in something that is going to require a certain machine, you're really looking for something for her to get started, do homework on, and go to class with.

Here's some things you should think about:
size: There are a couple components to this one. A bigger screen means more weight. Odds are she won't be carrying just the computer. She'll probably have at least a couple of books and a personal item (i.e. a purse and/or umbrella) also. That weight adds up. Her dorm room probably will not be right beside the building she has class in. There are parts of the campus I'm on that it can take almost 10 minutes at a brisk walk to reach.

Also important to consider about size is what kind of desks are in the classrooms. Universities usually have the following set ups: lecture halls with the VERY small fold out desks, a chair with a small fold out desk attached, a chair with an average sized table top attached, or tables. You need to consider what is at the school she'll be attending. Big screen laptops are VERY clumsy on the small desks. I've seen more than one hit the floor, and it's NEVER pretty.

Macs are not invincible. A lot of students seem to have this illusion that because they have a mac they are immune to issues. I've heard more than once from someone having computer problems. But the one thing that strikes me is when they say, "That's the funny thing, I have a Mac." Like somehow the catastrophe should have never happened to them. It's a machine, and machines break. So, it's important to always back up your work on some sort of external drive (external hard drive, USB thumb drive, etc) no matter what you decide on.

What's she used to using? Your DD is going to be making a lot of adjustments those first few weeks. Struggling with an unfamiliar OS just compounds problems. Yes, Mac and PC OS are similar, but they are also very different. Instructors usually are not very sympathetic to "I don't know how to use my computer" excuses because it gets abused so much. (That's probably the third most used excuse behind the dead grandmother who really has not passed and food poisoning. I wish students wouldn't wish ill upon their elderly relatives because it undermines people who really have had a family tragedy, and it's a horrible thing to wish on someone, but that's another story.)

I would avoid getting her one of the very small netbooks (the ones that are about as tall as a paper coffee cup). I purchased one 2 years ago when I got stuck in a classroom with a projector but no computer (I use technology a lot in my lectures). I only spent about $300 on it. I don't regret the purchase at all. It serves the purpose I got it for; however, I would NEVER want it to be my only computer. I can't imagine typing papers on it.

Finally, everyone is going to have different issues with different companies. You'll hear people that swear by Dell, Mac, HP, Toshiba, etc. Personally, I'd never buy another Toshiba again, but I know people who love theirs. I'm a Dell person, but my DH is a build-his-own person. My office mate on campus is a Mac person. Different people swear by different brands. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring.

Hope this helps.
 
She is not planning to study graphic design and it seems the want for a mac is more of a status symbol thing. She hasn't given any reason why she wants a mac over a PC. I have looked at them and they are at least 2Xs as much as a PC.

Our main focus is helping her graduate with the least amount of dept possible. The last few years I felt like we were throwing good money after bad buying "stuff" to put under the tree, thought getting the laptop out of the way now instead of next summer when the big school bills become a reality would be a good idea.

I also wonder how big of a screen to look at, for my old eyes the bigger the better but if she needs to take it to class would a big screen equal more weight??
My daughter bought a 17" laptop last year and loves it. But I do agree with PP's about the weight issue plus books, binders, etc. It does add extra weight. There is also the issue of back packs/messenger bags. Not all will accomodate a 17" laptop plus extra stuff. I went looking last week for something because my daughter could only find back packs/messenger bags that would accommodate 16" laptops or smaller. I found some at a local office supply place. The messenger bags were a minimum of $50 and the back packs started at $80. Just something to keep in mind.


Well that is very generous of you to put a minimum $1K present under the tree for a teenager. If she has her heart set on a Mac and doesn't really need one then give her a gift card to the Apple store for maybe $200 this year for Christmas and tell all your friends and family that she is saving for a computer. She can then save up all her GC's for this big purchase. Sometimes when a kid finds out that this one gift will be all she gets, her tune may chang on "needing" a Mac.

When in college I wanted a very expensive bracelet ($600) and for every occasion for almost a year I only got GCs to the jeweler. I don't think my parents thought I had the patience to save up for it, but it worked out great in the end. They stopped buying me useless gifts and I got one great piece of jewelry that I still love to this day.
That is a great idea!!!
 
I also wonder how big of a screen to look at, for my old eyes the bigger the better but if she needs to take it to class would a big screen equal more weight??

Yes, a bigger screen will be heavier. My son got a 17" Inspiron and he loves it. I got him the backpack case for it and he can carry it that way. I also got him an eight hour spare battery, so he can use it all day without plugging it in if he needs to.

I bought DD19 a 17" screen for her high school grad gift. It's actually more of a problem. We had to pay a lot more for a bag big enough to carry it, it weighs a lot more, is more awkward to carry outside of the bag, and it's easier to break the screen. She wishes we had gotten her the 15.6".

Also, I found a phenomenal deal at Office Depot on Black Friday in November before she graduated in May. The motherboard failed almost a year after we bought it, but she had only been using it for 5 months, or so. When I reported it to Dell, we had about 10 days left on the 1 year warranty. It was fixed at no cost.
 


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