Lacrosse- Question for those who know...

Mermaid02

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My 14 year old niece got kicked out of a lacrosse game last week- seems she was being too rough. If that is the case, she should have been removed no question. The referee said to my sister in law after ejecting my niece- "Is she an athlete?" My sil said "yes, she plays a sport every season" and he said, "Well, Lacrosse is a game of FINESSE."

I don't know much about any sport other than baseball, but I thought Lacrosse was a pretty rough and physical game :confused3 I was just confused by the "finesse" part...
 
Well I played Lacrosse from 6 grade to 12 grade. Went to many Lacrosse camps and I am going to stay that it can be rough but nothing like what mens Lacrosse is. You are allowed to check the others teams sticks to release the ball but you are not allowed to have contact with them. Yes, if you happen to run into each other than that is understandable but you can not do it on purpose and get away with it. I have had bruised ribs, bruised finger to the point it blew up like a small balloon, got wacked in the eye so that I had a black eye and my stick was broken. So yes it can be a physical game but you just have to watch how physical you get. I am sorry your niece got thrown from the game. Seems a little harsh to mean. I wish her luck.
 
Well I played Lacrosse from 6 grade to 12 grade. Went to many Lacrosse camps and I am going to stay that it can be rough but nothing like what mens Lacrosse is. You are allowed to check the others teams sticks to release the ball but you are not allowed to have contact with them. Yes, if you happen to run into each other than that is understandable but you can not do it on purpose and get away with it. I have had bruised ribs, bruised finger to the point it blew up like a small balloon, got wacked in the eye so that I had a black eye and my stick was broken. So yes it can be a physical game but you just have to watch how physical you get. I am sorry your niece got thrown from the game. Seems a little harsh to mean. I wish her luck.

Sounds rough to me! Holy cow!

I have no problem with her being tossed from the game- I just thought the description of a game of "finesse" was odd.
 
Sounds rough to me! Holy cow!

I have no problem with her being tossed from the game- I just thought the description of a game of "finesse" was odd.

"Finesse" is an odd word describe Lacrosse. The things that happened to me while playing Lacrosse were accidents. Well at least I hope they did not mean to do them. My eye happened bc the other girl was going to check my stick and completely missed. Finger same thing. My bruised ribs is bc the ball was on the ground and I went to get it and a member of the other team stepped on my stick by accident and I was still following thru bc I was running and since her foot was on my stick I could not go anywhere. So the stick went into my ribs and snapped at the topped. Boy was I upset. Not that my ribs were hurting but bc my stick that I had since 6 grade broke and I was in 9 grade at the time.
 

Sounds like she was being a bit of an "ogre" rather than utilizing skill (stick/ball control etc..). That's what I would interpret it as just from the comment. What did she actually do that ot her ejected?
 
My DD (11 years old) has been playing lacrosse for 2 years now. I am by no means an expert...but I think maybe it was a little bit of a dig at your niece? Like, she was being too rough? It's hard...different refs have different concepts of what should and should not be allowed.
 
Sounds like she was being a bit of an "ogre" rather than utilizing skill (stick/ball control etc..). That's what I would interpret it as just from the comment. What did she actually do that ot her ejected?

I have no idea exactly what she did- I only heard this from my inlaws. "Ogre" makes me chuckle though- she's about 5'5" and weighs MAYBE 110. It is her first year playing. A friend of mine was here earlier though and said Lacrosse is rough- she said "finesse" is not a word that describes Lacrosse. :confused3
 
I was a three sport athlete in HS. I was on the cross country team, the ski team and the lacrosse team. I also played softball, tennis and field hockey recreationally. By far, for me at least, lacrosse was the most dangerous.

It didn't help that there were huge school rivalries, either. We were all very aggressive in that the sticks were weapons along with our bodies. Often, if we were going down, we'd make sure the other team was as well.

Our school was also known for having a very strong yet very agressive offense and midfield (and I was one of them as a third home and a-wing) and often, we were attacked more than our teammates.

I think lacrosse is one of the more dangerous sports for women, there's a reason why it's required to wear a mouth guard and goggles. But with that, it makes it by far the most fun sport as well.

OP, along with others here, I think the ref was just taking a jab at your niece. To be honest, lacrosse isn't a game for finesse... at least not on the competitive level. Of course though... if she did use her stick to bash a girl like a baseball bat then maybe she shouldn't be playing lax :goodvibes.

ETA: Of all the dirty things I've seen done in a game, no one has ever been removed like your niece so I'm curious as to what actually happened.
 
I have no idea exactly what she did- I only heard this from my inlaws. "Ogre" makes me chuckle though- she's about 5'5" and weighs MAYBE 110. It is her first year playing. A friend of mine was here earlier though and said Lacrosse is rough- she said "finesse" is not a word that describes Lacrosse. :confused3

Well if she was clubbing players with her stick then Shrek it is, no?

Either way, I am not passing judgement...just trying to figure out what he could possibly have been implying.


fi·nesse
   /fɪˈnɛss/ Show Spelled [fi-ness] Show IPA noun, verb, -nessed, -ness·ing.
–noun
1.
extreme delicacy or subtlety in action, performance, skill, discrimination, taste, etc.
2.
skill in handling a difficult or highly sensitive situation; adroit and artful management: exceptional diplomatic finesse.
3.
a trick, artifice, or stratagem.
4.
Bridge, Whist . an attempt to win a trick with a card while holding a higher card not in sequence with it, in the hope that the card or cards between will not be played.

Seems like definitions 2 or 3 could apply to Lacrosse or any sport.
 
I can see where finesse would be appropriate. There is a difference between charging down opponents just because you can and strategically blocking them, etc. to advance your position. It is very similar to hockey. While they are both rough games, it still takes a certain amount of finesse and cognitive skill to do it right. If she was just out there plowing down players for the heck of it, the comment make perfect sense.
 
Girls and boys lacrosse although similar are 2 very different games. Both games require great skill development and proficiency in the areas of cradling, passing, catching, scooping, shooting, defense, and checking (girls can check sticks, boys can check sticks and perform body checks). The boys game is much more physical (body checks) and require the boys to wear the protective equipment of chest and elbow pads, helmets, mouthpieces and gloves. Girls must wear the protective equipment of mouth guards and googles. I like both types of games and I agree that the girls game requires great finesse. Since there is no body checking involved and only checking of the stick and the fact that the stick they use doesn't have a deep pocket like the boys sticks do, the athletes must have profound skill development. Boys do too but you can body check another to knock the ball out of the stick. Lacrosse is a great game and very exciting to watch essentially two different types of play between genders. Yes, and I would agree, injuries do happen by getting hit by a ball (hard, rubberized), stick checked and body checked.
 
I can see where finesse would be appropriate. There is a difference between charging down opponents just because you can and strategically blocking them, etc. to advance your position. It is very similar to hockey. While they are both rough games, it still takes a certain amount of finesse and cognitive skill to do it right. If she was just out there plowing down players for the heck of it, the comment make perfect sense.
::yes:: That's basically what I was thinking...using unnecessary aggression vs actual skill.

As far as refs...I've seen it all with soccer. Refs allowing kids to just about beat each other up out there, vs refs who card a kid who accidentally collides with another kid. Very frustrating.
 
I really don't know what happened like I said, I will however say that my niece is from an area that is known to be "rough" and they were playing in a town that is known to be on the snobby side. A lot of "snowflakes" in that town I'm sure. When I told my friend where they were playing she said, "Oh, someone's princes must have been bruised."

I find it hard to believe she would actually be clubbing players with her stick (she's my niece of course, so I don't want to think that)- her coach was not happy with the ejection and said it was completely over the top. I'm hoping my sister in law has video.
 
injuries do happen by getting hit by a ball (hard, rubberized), stick checked and body checked.
:thumbsup2:goodvibes

DS has been a goalie since 2nd grade. Sometimes I wonder if Social Services is going to come knocking due to the amount of bruising on that child's body. As a keeper, he wears as little protective gear as he can get away with (it restricts movement according to him) and gets bombarded with a rock hard ball whipped out of a stick at enormous speeds. And this is fun???

I really don't know what happened like I said, I will however say that my niece is from an area that is known to be "rough" and they were playing in a town that is known to be on the snobby side. A lot of "snowflakes" in that town I'm sure. When I told my friend where they were playing she said, "Oh, someone's princes must have been bruised."

I find it hard to believe she would actually be clubbing players with her stick (she's my niece of course, so I don't want to think that)- her coach was not happy with the ejection and said it was completely over the top. I'm hoping my sister in law has video.

We have many leagues/teams around town that are from wealthy parts of town, from prep schools, etc. I can guarantee you that does not make their kids "snowflakes." In fact, it seems to be exactly the opposite. Snowflakedness would not be tolerated by these competitive parents. I know plenty of parents that pay their kids every time they are put in the penalty box. Our league director (a pro lacrosse player) told parents during our preseason meeting to please shut up on the sidelines about hitting (we would be in the medium snobby category), that it really is a game of skill and finesse.

In our area, both girls and boys, it takes a lot to get a kid ejected no matter what part of town they are playing in. The refs are really into teaching the kids the game before they hit high school, so only if the aggressiveness is purposely blatant and after several warnings will a kid get ejected.

That said, there is little leniency for coaches or players that are deliberately trying to play dirty and hurting other kids. They are all kids after all.

Unfortunately, we have a few teams that would rather go out and play like thugs rather than actually even attempt to play the game of lacrosse. There really is skill involved in the game, not just slashing and hitting. And geography has nothing to do with it, you have good and bad coaches in all areas. It all depends on their philosophies and what they are teaching their players.

So, if your niece was playing around here, I would have to surmise that what she did was over the top and was pretty blatant, although your refs style may be quite different.

Or, since you said her coach likes to play rough, perhaps the refs were fed up with his coaching style and your niece was just the last straw and a point was being made to the coach. Her infraction could have been minor, but could have pushed the refs over the edge. She may not have even known what she did was not acceptable, especially if the coach likes to push the limits on penalties. I could definitely see a fed up ref saying something like "It is a game of finesse" in frustration with a coach encouraging kids to play dirty or rough.

The good thing is that it is just a game and I bet your niece will never commit whatever penalty that got her ejected again. By being taught that whatever she did was not acceptable, she will be a better lacrosse player next game. Spin it into the positive - she made a mistake, she payed her dues, and for it, she now knows the game that much better.
 
My son plays high schoold lacrosse. He's a senior. There's a pretty big difference between girls and boys lacrosse.
I was amazed that the girls didn't appear to wear any equipment. It's a much more "civilized" game that girls play..at least in my opinion.

Maybe that's more what the ref meant?
 








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