Kerry and Bush supporters. A question for y'all.

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
Kendra, you basically proved *my* point, and for that I thank you.

The accounts of Carter in Haiti I presented were remarkably rosy.

The accounts of Carter in Haiti you presented were remarkably dim.

Now, both accounts, as we know, were based in fact.

Both accounts, as mentioned above, drew markedly different conclusions.

You've based your assumptions on Clinton's feelings towards Carter on the accounts of Carter's activities that held negative OPINION; and just now, above, attempted to prove your assumtion by posting yet another OPINION regarding how former presidents are "supposed" to act.

And, just to be clear here, I fully respect your right to have an opinion, and would defend that right no matter what. However, I'll say it again--and I'll keep on saying it, despite however many more opinions you toss out--opinions are NOT facts. We are NOT obligated to agree with your opinion, nor are we obligated to accept sources that repeat that opinion as fact.

Just FYI, speaking from personal experience, several Clinton Administration officials were rather exasperated with Carter in regards to Haiti. I have no idea whether that extended to Clinton himself... and it certainly was not anger or hatred, just deep frustration with the Carter working against the administration's policies.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by GaryAdams


if you havnt read the book how can you know if its true or not, and how can you make a judgement?

Well, since the book is simply a more detailed description of the lies they are telling, I don't know why I would need to read it to find out if it were true or not.

Tell ya what.....The moon is made of cheese.

Now, I'm going to write a book on that "fact". You pay me $40 for the book so that you can read my detailed explanation for why the moon is made of cheese.

If you don't you can't really call me a liar, now can you???

What a brilliant idea! I'm going to be rich and all I have to do is lie a little bit!

 

[GaryAdams]

ironic how some people believe 1 side but not the other?


i guess until they read the book they have no value in any conversation about it?

oh wait,as long as their guy says something it has to be "true",dont ever question their guy.hes the only one who is right.
he has never changed his story about anything?






guess its ok to "flip-flop" on things like having to see a movie but then not having to read a book?

 

[peachgirl]

Book or no book, would you like to discuss the lies this man told that were finally uncovered today?

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[GaryAdams]

have you read the book?

let me know when you have,then we can then have a discussion on it, until then your really uninformed.

 

[peachgirl]

I didn't think so.



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[jrydberg]

This is like deja vu all over again

One does not need to have read the book/seen the movie to have a substantive discussion about the issues raised. That's my position with Farenheit 9/11 and that's my position with the book.

 

[GaryAdams]

jrydberg, at 1 time i would have agreed with you 100%, but it seems not to long ago a few people were so insistent that unless you had seen f/911 you couldnt have a view on the movie.

funny how these same people are now calling some writers of a book liars without even reading the book.

i guess its only ok to be that way when it attempts to help their cause?

 

[Viking]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Well, since the book is simply a more detailed description of the lies they are telling, I don't know why I would need to read it to find out if it were true or not.

Tell ya what.....The moon is made of cheese.

Now, I'm going to write a book on that "fact". You pay me $40 for the book so that you can read my detailed explanation for why the moon is made of cheese.

If you don't you can't really call me a liar, now can you???

What a brilliant idea! I'm going to be rich and all I have to do is lie a little bit!

Excuse me, but your book needs some correction: It's GREEN cheese
And don't forget to put lots of pictures in it, too much text could put a strain on them

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Viking
Excuse me, but your book needs some correction: It's GREEN cheese
And don't forget to put lots of pictures in it, too much text could put a strain on them

Hey! Don't be exposing any secrets!!

If they want to know the color of the cheese that the moon is really made of, they'll have to buy my book!

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[wvrevy]

Originally posted by GaryAdams
jrydberg, at 1 time i would have agreed with you 100%, but it seems not to long ago a few people were so insistent that unless you had seen f/911 you couldnt have a view on the movie.

funny how these same people are now calling some writers of a book liars without even reading the book.

i guess its only ok to be that way when it attempts to help their cause?

Gary, I'm more than willing to discuss either the movie OR the book, or ignore both and simply look at the facts of each. They stand on their own, be they in book form or on film.

I think you're just scared to address the FACT that yet another lie was exposed, so you try to ignore it by complaining that "you didn't read the book" As if I need to read 1000 pages when the 20 I did read contained about a lie per page

Nice "debate" tactic, though...lol

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by GaryAdams
funny how its always the other guys who are lying?

perhaps we should take a line from some people and say,

"how can you know if you havnt read the book?"

some people sure liked to toss that around about a little film not to long ago?

if you havnt read the book how can you know if its true or not, and how can you make a judgement?

Seems to me there is a difference between a bunch of people, none of whom have read the book, discussing it, and a group of people discussing a movie, half of whom have seen the movie. But as wvrevy said, nice try at digressing. Transparent, but a good try nevertheless.

Not to mention that people have been discussing the ad, which all have seen.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by spearenb

Ohhh, I don't know. I will go ask a V'Nam Vet and tell me what he thinks about it.

Okay, ask my husband a disabled Vietnam Vet, (USMC 1968-80). Okay, I'll ask him for you.

He said he doesn't fault Kerry for doing and saying what he did after the war. He respects and admires him for speaking out even if he didn't like it much at the time. He told me to tell you "John Kerry has my vote and the vote of many of the vets I know. He served his country honorably and volunteered for duty when he could have gotten out of it like W and his lot of chickenhawks. He knows the true cost of war. So do the families of the 1000 young Americans who are dead in the search for Saddam's WMD"

Oh and he said to say "You're welcome!"

 

[GaryAdams]

its kind of hard to discuss anything with you,
according to you only 6 guys served with Kerry,that in it self makes me think you have no clue as to what your talking about.


then again, you have choosen to not look at both sides, you only believe what you guy says.

seems like just yesterday we were discussing who writes the after-action reports,and then bam it pops up in peachgirls link today. seems they dont know who filled out the reports?

ironic isnt it?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by GaryAdams
its kind of hard to discuss anything with you,
according to you only 6 guys served with Kerry,that in it self makes me think you have no clue as to what your talking about.


then again, you have choosen to not look at both sides, you only believe what you guy says.

seems like just yesterday we were discussing who writes the after-action reports,and then bam it pops up in peachgirls link today. seems they dont know who filled out the reports?

ironic isnt it?

lol...Yeah, right...Kerry wrote this guy's medal recommendation...

Talk about reaching You just can't admit that these people are proven LIARS, can you

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by jrydberg
Just FYI, speaking from personal experience, several Clinton Administration officials were rather exasperated with Carter in regards to Haiti. I have no idea whether that extended to Clinton himself... and it certainly was not anger or hatred, just deep frustration with the Carter working against the administration's policies.

I actually don't doubt that they were, jrydberg. I'm not sure if you were following the other thread where this happened, but the point of contention is not *really* how Clinton and/or is admin feels about Carter; the point of contention was that the OP about the Clinton/Carter issue stating that it was a "commonly known fact that Clinton hates Carter" and claimed she could definitively prove it. She then theorized that it was because Carter purposely acted to undermine Clinton in Haiti, when no one really knows if that is the truth or not; all we know as fact is what Carter did in Haiti, and not specifically how Clinton feels about it or what Carter's intentions in regards to the Clinton administration were. She accused anyone of disagreeing with her of being blind to the facts, and I pointed out that they weren't disagreeing with the facts, they were disagreeing with the opinions about the facts. The articles I posted on this current thread were posted to show that there are opposing opinions about those same facts. But the OP continues to contend that she "proved" her theory about Clinton and Carter when what she really did was post opinions that agreed with her. The only way to definitively prove that Clinton hates him is for Clinton to say that he does--which he hasn't. I'm not saying he does or doesn't; just that we don't know whether he does or doesn't.

 

[jrydberg]

I try not to follow too much

But I guess my point's not all that different from yours. I don't know how Clinton himself felt about Carter (not that I particularly care). All that can really be said is there was some tension there.

 

[GaryAdams]

ironic how you cant answer the questions?

thats ok we both know how those reports are written,
its even kinda funny how you started to do a "flip-flop" yesterday after i called you out about how even the reviews you did are done.

and again, its ironic they we just discussed yesterday how maybe,just maybe reports can be made to make someone look better then they really are?


ironic how the medal recommendation requests are based on the after-action reports.


let me know how only 6 guys served with Kerry sometime.


feel free to keep tapdancing, those shoes look great on you.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Okay, ask my husband a disabled Vietnam Vet, (USMC 1968-80). Okay, I'll ask him for you.

He said he doesn't fault Kerry for doing and saying what he did after the war. He respects and admires him for speaking out even if he didn't like it much at the time. He told me to tell you "John Kerry has my vote and the vote of many of the vets I know. He served his country honorably and volunteered for duty when he could have gotten out of it like W and his lot of chickenhawks. He knows the true cost of war. So do the families of the 1000 young Americans who are dead in the search for Saddam's WMD"

Oh and he said to say "You're welcome!"

Another vet's wife here ( navy ) and he feels exactly the same way as your husband.

 

[Bobbles]

Originally posted by GaryAdams
ironic how you cant answer the questions?

thats ok we both know how those reports are written,
its even kinda funny how you started to do a "flip-flop" yesterday after i called you out about how even the reviews you did are done.

and again, its ironic they we just discussed yesterday how maybe,just maybe reports can be made to make someone look better then they really are?


ironic how the medal recommendation requests are based on the after-action reports.


let me know how only 6 guys served with Kerry sometime.


feel free to keep tapdancing, those shoes look great on you.

Does this mean that all the guys who were awarded medals at the same time Kerry did should have their medals questioned?