Just returned from WDW and FP+ stinks

BTW, could it happen and has it? Of course it has. Anything is possible. People cancel, glitch in the system, etc. But you seem to be speaking like you have a conversation on a Saturday afternoon in July about going out to dinner, and you just call Disney Dining and tell them you want a table at 'Ohana at 5:00 and get it without any issue, whenever you want.

Sorry, but I don't buy that.

She used those examples as place she could get into tonight - she acknowledged maybe those places weren't possible all the time.

But it seems that she lives there, so I do believe she can probably get in quite a few good places on the same/next day, even in July. Perhaps to her, Ohana isn't a place she wants to go!
 
She used those examples as place she could get into tonight - she acknowledged maybe those places weren't possible all the time.

But it seems that she lives there, so I do believe she can probably get in quite a few good places on the same/next day, even in July. Perhaps to her, Ohana isn't a place she wants to go!

That's my point. Absolutely, I'm sure there are a bunch of places you can get into tonight, or any night this week. It's slow season. During busy season, I just don't think it's that simple.
 
Now that there is a credit card guarantee for all TS meals, it is much more likely that you can get a last minute reservation. I know people who did it several times over Christmas.

I was discussing that with someone at lunch today. I hope that ends up being the case. There are many nights during our trips that we just decide we want to go someplace else. Especially at Epcot.
 

She used those examples as place she could get into tonight - she acknowledged maybe those places weren't possible all the time.

But it seems that she lives there, so I do believe she can probably get in quite a few good places on the same/next day, even in July. Perhaps to her, Ohana isn't a place she wants to go!

I used those since you used them as places you need to book 6 months in advance. Of course we also aren't super picky and will look to see what is available and go there... but those are all VERY often available day of. Just saying... booking 6 months out OR eating QS for every meal aren't the only two options.

Chef Mickey's and Ohana's aren't on our priority list as we pay OOP and those are expensive options.
 
We DISers really need to agree on a sarcasm font.

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A picture is worth a thousand words. :)
 
That's my point. Absolutely, I'm sure there are a bunch of places you can get into tonight, or any night this week. It's slow season. During busy season, I just don't think it's that simple.

Well, I would imagine you would have to be pretty flexible with where and what times.

We're going late October - two of us, and probably won't make many ADR's at all. We'll just see what's open that day, we can eat later or even at the bar.
Epcot has the two small plates places, I think in Italy and Morocco?
I'm not worried. :)
 
To the OP - sorry that you had a bad trip. Maybe your next trip will be better. :goodvibes
 
Well, that's kind of the major problem with all these doom & gloom threads.

Unfortunately, this isn't a doom and gloom thread. Instead of being an "I think I'm going to hate FP+" thread, it is an "I just returned and I hated FP+" thread. These are the ones that Disney needs to be wary of. Note the total absence of cheerleaders here promising that things won't be all that bad, and might even be better than before. When a person comes back and reports on their actual experience, we don't need exaggeration or hyperbole to carry the day. (And no offense to anyone, but we don't really need a debate about ADRs either.)

I think that the OP's experience is typical in many respects.

  • Fact: People who knew how to maximize FP- aren't going to ride "headliner" attractions as often with FP+.
  • Fact: When rides such as PoTC use one of the two queues for FP+ return and funnel all SB people into the other queue, the SB queue is going to be longer in length and spill out into areas that it never spilled into before.
    What is unknown is: Will that make the wait any longer? If PoTC is not a ride that many people will use up a FP+ on, then the FP return line will have few people cutting off the SB line, so while the SB line is longer in length, your actual wait time might not change. Another one of this ilk is Maelstrom. By "tiering" that one with Soarin', Test Track and Illuminations, it is hard to imagine that too many people are going to use up a valuable FP+ for that ride. So everyone will ride SB. And the SB line will be bigger. But if you aren't getting cut off by FP returners, you might actually have a shorter wait. Too soon to tell.

Fewer headliner attractions and lines of longer length are two things that are real, are here to stay (unless there are more changes) and are impacting the way certain people tour. These are also things that don't bother others in the least. One camp is not going to convince the other camp that they are right.
 
It's also the last week of January.

Try doing that in July when unfortunately, is the only time my family can go. There are definitely some places we can get last minute. But of the ones I listed, not a chance. Believe me, I wish I didn't know what I was talking about, but during busy season, you have to make ADR's in advance. Do you have to make them 6 months in advance? Not all of them. That's me. I get nervous about that stuff. But for some, if you want to go at a specific time, yeah, you have to do it. I can't tell you how many times we've been shut out of 'Ohana whether it be day of, or a couple months in advance.

I am confused. Do you go in the Winter or July or both?

Well you know Disney looks at the stuff anyways, but absolutely - It would be VERY interesting to see that data.

Obviously, I am nobody, but I am the biggest Disney fan I know, and this is the 1st winter in 10 years that I'm not going. And it wasn't because I couldn't go.
 
Unfortunately, this isn't a doom and gloom thread. Instead of being an "I think I'm going to hate FP+" thread, it is an "I just returned and I hated FP+" thread. These are the ones that Disney needs to be wary of. Note the total absence of cheerleaders here promising that things won't be all that bad, and might even be better than before. When a person comes back and reports on their actual experience, we don't need exaggeration or hyperbole to carry the day. (And no offense to anyone, but we don't really need a debate about ADRs either.)

I think that the OP's experience is typical in many respects.

  • Fact: People who knew how to maximize FP- aren't going to ride "headliner" attractions as often with FP+.
  • Fact: When rides such as PoTC use one of the two queues for FP+ return and funnel all SB people into the other queue, the SB queue is going to be longer in length and spill out into areas that it never spilled into before.
    What is unknown is: Will that make the wait any longer? If PoTC is not a ride that many people will use up a FP+ on, then the FP return line will have few people cutting off the SB line, so while the SB line is longer in length, your actual wait time might not change. Another one of this ilk is Maelstrom. By "tiering" that one with Soarin', Test Track and Illuminations, it is hard to imagine that too many people are going to use up a valuable FP+ for that ride. So everyone will ride SB. And the SB line will be bigger. But if you aren't gettig cut off by FP returners, you might actually have a shorter wait. Too soon to tell.

Fewer headliner attractions and lines of longer length are two things that are real, are here to stay (unless there are more changes) and are impacting the way certain people tour. These are also things that don't bother others in the least. One camp is not going to convince the other camp that they are right.

My apologies sir.
 
BTW, could it happen and has it? Of course it has. Anything is possible. People cancel, glitch in the system, etc. But you seem to be speaking like you have a conversation on a Saturday afternoon in July about going out to dinner, and you just call Disney Dining and tell them you want a table at 'Ohana at 5:00 and get it without any issue, whenever you want.

Sorry, but I don't buy that.

Just like people dont buy that you will have to eat cheeseburgers & hot dogs if you dont make ADRs 180 days in advance.
 
Well, that's kind of the major problem with all these doom & gloom threads.

Maybe I'm wrong but I did not view this thread as a doom and gloom thread. True, there are some comments that were a little muddy. Thanks to the original poster for their comments.

Many people travel during the busy (real busy) times. Due to work, school, etc., that is our time to visit. The FP- system was a actually a wonderful system IMO. Many many people did not know it nor did they use it to their advantage. Count me in the I don't like the "new & improved" FP+ system. The limit of 3 FP+, the tier system, lack of being pick same ride more than once and the hopper issue make me long for the old system.

Again, this is my opinion. Each is entitled to their own.

:)
 
Unfortunately, this isn't a doom and gloom thread. Instead of being an "I think I'm going to hate FP+" thread, it is an "I just returned and I hated FP+" thread. These are the ones that Disney needs to be wary of. Note the total absence of cheerleaders here promising that things won't be all that bad, and might even be better than before. When a person comes back and reports on their actual experience, we don't need exaggeration or hyperbole to carry the day. (And no offense to anyone, but we don't really need a debate about ADRs either.)

I think that the OP's experience is typical in many respects.

  • Fact: People who knew how to maximize FP- aren't going to ride "headliner" attractions as often with FP+.
  • Fact: When rides such as PoTC use one of the two queues for FP+ return and funnel all SB people into the other queue, the SB queue is going to be longer in length and spill out into areas that it never spilled into before.
    What is unknown is: Will that make the wait any longer? If PoTC is not a ride that many people wil use up a FP+ on, then the FP return line will have few people cutting off the SB line, so while the SB line is longer in length, you actual wait time might not change. Too soon to tell.

Fewer headliner attractions and lines of longer length are two things that are real, are here to stay (unless there are more changes) and are impacting the way certain people tour. These are also things that don't bother others in the least. One camp is not going to convince the other camp that they are right.

While I agree with you on most points, I also think that the OP could have replied to one of several FP+ threads already made. These posts are taking over this site to the point that it is making it difficult to help people when they have planning questions. I would love it if the mods made a separate forum for FP+ so the TP&S can get back to what it was.
 
Well, I would imagine you would have to be pretty flexible with where and what times.

We're going late October - two of us, and probably won't make many ADR's at all. We'll just see what's open that day, we can eat later or even at the bar.
Epcot has the two small plates places, I think in Italy and Morocco?
I'm not worried. :)

You should be fine... except at Epcot.... food and wine make it busy. If you are flexible of time and place... you will get SOMETHING. We don't like China TS or Morocco TS (though haven't tried since new).

But there are also great CS in Epcot and well... food and wine carts.

We definitely are NEVER sitting around thinking "Hey, let's go to Ohana's at 5:00!" any time of year. BUT we do say ~ "Hey, let's go eat at WDW tonight!" and get on the computer and see what and where... and it isn't usually in the morning... it is usually before we get in the car to leave.
 
While I agree with you on most points, I also think that the OP could have replied to one of several FP+ threads already made. These posts are taking over this site to the point that it is making it difficult to help people when they have planning questions. I would love it if the mods made a separate forum for FP+ so the TP&S can get back to what it was.

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