Just back tonight..without express pass..bummer

[Cool-Beans]

I guess all of the unruly kids at Cedar Point are vacationing from Florida.

No, they all live in Cleveland. We have far less class here in Ohio than those in Michigan, obviously.

Off to teach my parakeets to say, "doofus."

 

[lindalinda]

^ I am not blaming the parks for the rudeness of their child guests... I am blaming the actions as a direct results of the parental/adult supervision which was apparent much more at WDW than US/IOA.

^^ No i haven't had the joy and you better believe I would be just as upset with them... Case being during my trip last 2 weeks... It was the groups at US/IOA that sucked and hence my original and continuing complaint.

why is there no yawn smiley? if ever there was need, its now

 

[brivers222]

Why do you all insist on making this a state war? People from all over visit all the parks... Never ONCE did I blame it on the Floridia residents or Ohio residents. The two of you seem to want to bring up that issue which is silly all by itself.

but if you want to go there Michigan does rule all

 

[flatline]

No i haven't had the joy and you better believe I would be just as upset with them... Case being during my trip last 2 weeks... It was the groups at US/IOA that sucked and hence my original and continuing complaint.

then go to the source with your continued complaint. Universal is just a venue, not the source of your frustration. the schools set the chaperone levels, not the theme parks.

and my state is sacred.

 

[flatline]

No, they all live in Cleveland. We have far less class here in Ohio than those in Michigan, obviously.

Off to teach my parakeets to say, "doofus."

they should know that one by now.

 

[brivers222]

I don't need to complain to any source, I won't have to deal with them for a few years now. Sorry to insist that there were some unruly kids at your parks... I will go hit the bong shortly so that I get that warm fuzzy feeling of those line jumping cutiepies that others seem to have. There are trouble makers at every park, why is calling out my most recent experience so wrong? It wasn't as if US/IOA was untouchable, was it?

BTW isn't Line jumping against the rules at US/IOA? Doesn't that mean that US/IOA is not enforcing their own rules and thus should be blamed. Not to mention, I can't imagine that they don't have a set of rules for the behavior of large groups while in their parks... Then again since nothing was done to stop it they must not.

 

[lindalinda]

I don't need to complain to any source, I won't have to deal with them for a few years now. Sorry to insist that there were some unruly kids at your parks... I will go hit the bong shortly so that I get that warm fuzzy feeling of those line jumping cutiepies that others seem to have. There are trouble makers at every park, why is calling out my most recent experience so wrong? It wasn't as if US/IOA was untouchable, was it?

not at all. I believe its your insistence that for some reason WDW is immune to these probs, which is patently absurd, and frankly, laughable.

 

[brivers222]

I am not insisting anything about WDW... I AM insisting that the Adult guidence was visiable at Disney and NOT at Universal... Thus making the teen groups at Universal much more unruly. It is what it is... Had Universal had more visible adult supervision for their obviously attemped organized groups (see the hundreds of same colored shirts) I would be saying the exact opposite.

Example (a said 2 week in May 2006)...

Theme park A: no adult supervision kids line jumping and acting like *****

Theme park B: adult supervision and kids were acting as civilized human beings sharing the park peacefully with other visitors.

Which theme park was better at that given time?

 

[flatline]

I am not insisting anything about WDW... I AM insisting that the Adult guidence was visiable at Disney and NOT at Universal... Thus making the teen groups at Universal much more unruly. It is what it is... Had Universal had more visible adult supervision I would be saying the exact opposite.

once again, blame the group. WDW doesn't place CM's inside the queues to prevent line jumping, neither does Universal. if someone jumps in front of you at any queue, it's your fault for allowing it to happen. Universal has as adequate supervision as any WDW park. you're focusing the blame on the wrong individuals.

 

[brivers222]

Then why make a point to have rule in their code of conduct... once again do they, cause if not next time I am there I am so not wasting money on FOTL passes when all i have to do is look ahead for an opening. Its not my fault for allowing it to happen when they jumped in 8 people in front of us in eye sight of a worker running the ride.

 

[flatline]

Then why make a point to have rule in their code of conduct... once again do they, cause if not next time I am there I am so not wasting money on FOTL passes when all i have to do is look ahead for an opening. Its not my fault for allowing it to happen when they jumped in 8 people in front of us in eye sight of a worker running the ride.

if that happened to me, I'd be the first to call the ride op out on it. especially if it was a problem with the Express Pass line. then I'd get their name and go to guest relations with my concern.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I don't need to complain to any source, I won't have to deal with them for a few years now. Sorry to insist that there were some unruly kids at your parks... I will go hit the bong shortly so that I get that warm fuzzy feeling of those line jumping cutiepies that others seem to have. There are trouble makers at every park, why is calling out my most recent experience so wrong? It wasn't as if US/IOA was untouchable, was it?

BTW isn't Line jumping against the rules at US/IOA? Doesn't that mean that US/IOA is not enforcing their own rules and thus should be blamed. Not to mention, I can't imagine that they don't have a set of rules for the behavior of large groups while in their parks... Then again since nothing was done to stop it they must not.

I read through this whole thread, & it really seems that you are saying WDW & UO had something to do with the behavior of the children visiting their parks. If only the children at UO had the same amount of supervision, right? I'm a bit confused. Was it WDW employees who were chaperoning these kids? If not, how could they possibly have had anything to do with the behavior of the children? FWIW, my DS(14)'s school requires that they have 1 adult for every 4 children, when they visit the theme parks. It appears this wasn't the case at any of the parks. That's the school's rule, & has absolutely nothing to do with the parks. To say you encountered a bunch of rude, unsupervised kids at UO, is a legitimate complaint. To say that the kids at WDW were much better behaved, because they were more heavily chaperoned also makes sense. To imply that this was the case, because of the park they were in, makes no sense at all. Unless of course, the chaperones were WDW & UO employees. Your experience could have been the complete opposite on any given day. I agree you're blaming the wrong people, & if you really thought about it, you'd probably be able to see that.

 

[brivers222]

To say you encountered a bunch of rude, unsupervised kids at UO, is a legitimate complaint. To say that the kids at WDW were much better behaved, because they were more heavily chaperoned also makes sense. To imply that this was the case, because of the park they were in, makes no sense at all. Unless of course, the chaperones were WDW & UO employees. Your experience could have been the complete opposite on any given day. I agree you're blaming the wrong people, & if you really thought about it, you'd probably be able to see that.

Obviously you didn't read the entire thread because I have been saying this exact same thing all along... I can't help which park had the "unsupervised" children... nor can I help that on this given trip it is was the fact that UO was the park I encountered out of the two with the roudy kids. I am not impling that it was because of the park they were in other than stating the fact as to which park they were in when it happened...Others are turning this into a UO/WDW debate, I was and still am merely pointing to the facts of my immediate vacation experience I just had. So how is that blaming the wrong people? your yourself said it was a legitimate case above, no?

I was not making a blanket statement for ALL SEASON at UO and WDW just merely my tiny 2week vacation down there, and I have said that countless times... And as you stated above with your examples of Legitiment cases, that is EXACTLY what I have been saying. On this past trip UO had the more roudy kids, that is my only experience with UO and therefore I am basing my experiences of UO soley on my only trip I have ever been there, doing otherwise would be foolish. I will take you word that UO is not always that bad, but a few sour apples spoil the entire sack. For me that entire sack has been my most recent trip 2 weeks ago

Sure WDW has its fair share of idiotic vistors lord knows I ran into some during my trip... HOWEVER, the complaint I had was with the Tour Groups and their leaders control (or lack there of) over them. Just so happened that during my trip it was UO that had the roudy tour groups I ran into.... I am not making assumptions as I went to WDW and UO on my last trip, I am merely stating the fact of which park they were in... I guess it sucks that it happened to be the beloved UO, but well it did happen there so I am stating that exact fact.

Just as a point of reference, here is one of my original posts about this subject:

While they were numerous at Disney world for the most part they were better behaved at least the ones I saw (apart from those Make a wish group from canada...)

The Purple shirts from US/IOA Bramblewood schools I believe were line cutting, cussing and overall just acting way out of line. The thing I noticed most about the US/IOA groups was that they were far less adult supervised as the ones at WDW.

Seems pretty consistant with your legitimate cases to me

 

[goofy!]

Obviously you didn't read the entire thread because I have been saying this exact same thing all along... I can't help which park had the "unsupervised" children... nor can I help that on this given trip it is was the fact that UO was the park I encountered out of the two with the roudy kids. I am not impling that it was because of the park they were in other than stating the fact as to which park they were in when it happened...Others are turning this into a UO/WDW debate, I was and still am merely pointing to the facts of my immediate vacation experience I just had. So how is that blaming the wrong people? your yourself said it was a legitimate case above, no?

I was not making a blanket statement for ALL SEASON at UO and WDW just merely my tiny 2week vacation down there, and I have said that countless times... And as you stated above with your examples of Legitiment cases, that is EXACTLY what I have been saying. On this past trip UO had the more roudy kids, that is my only experience with UO and therefore I am basing my experiences of UO soley on my only trip I have ever been there, doing otherwise would be foolish. I will take you word that UO is not always that bad, but a few sour apples spoil the entire sack. For me that entire sack has been my most recent trip 2 weeks ago

Sure WDW has its fair share of idiotic vistors lord knows I ran into some during my trip... HOWEVER, the complaint I had was with the Tour Groups and their leaders control (or lack there of) over them. Just so happened that during my trip it was UO that had the roudy tour groups I ran into.... I am not making assumptions as I went to WDW and UO on my last trip, I am merely stating the fact of which park they were in... I guess it sucks that it happened to be the beloved UO, but well it did happen there so I am stating that exact fact.

Just as a point of reference, here is one of my original posts about this subject:



Seems pretty consistant with your legitimate cases to me

In your very first post on this matter, you stated that you would not return to UO for a very long time due to lack of control of the kids. You then went on to say that Disney had much better control.

Perhaps, you did not mean it this way, but this implies that Universal was to blame for the rowdy kids and that you would not return to Universal because of their lack of crowd control.

Here is your original post on the subject: (emphasis mine)

AMEN Horrible kids. I went to US/IOA for the first time ever because everyone said how cool it was compared to Disney World. Those kids were obnoxious and it is because of them that I have no intention on going back for a very long time. If I want rude kids on my vacation I will drive 2 hours to Cedar Point rather than 19 hours to Florida.

The waits were minimal at best 20mins per ride all day, we went on everything in 2 days... But the atmosphere and the unattended kids wrecked our first impression of the parks.

Again, by saying the kids wrecked your impression of the parks, as if it was Universal's fault for the kids.

Again, perhaps this is not what you meant, however, that is how it is being perceived by the others on this board.

 

[brivers222]

Ah yes I see, I take that back then what I meant to say that my experience with the roudy kids at UO have left a sour taste in my mouth and I don't plan on going back anytime soon, not to mention that because I get more of a thrill out of CP rides. I was hoping that was not the case, but CP just does more for the thrill ride aspect than UO... And that was what was given so much hype to me how thrilling the park was. So yeah CP spoiled me and the unfortuante encounter with some dumb kids tour groups put the nail in the coffin for the time being. I can't see myself driving 20 hours for a park that provides less thrills than one that is only 1-1/2 hour away. No offense to UO and none meant, they were just the unfortuante park I was in when the kids did act the way they did and sadly first impressions do hold a lasting impression.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

The thing I noticed most about the US/IOA groups was that they were far less adult supervised as the ones at WDW.

My explanation as stated above is there seemed to be much more Adult supervision to the childrens group at WDW 2 weeks ago...opposed to the LACK of adult supervision I witnessed with the groups I saw at US/IOA. The more adult supervision the less likely you will have kids behaving poorly (demonstrating why the kids at WDW acted in more acceptable way).

Disney, at least for the two weeks I was in florida, attracted a much more MONITORED group of tours. The kids were not allowed to run wild around the park... each grouping of 10 kids had at least 1 or 2 adults who kept them in line. Universal was the exact opposite. I would see and count up near 20 kids wandering around in their pretty little school / tour group shirts without a single adult near them.

Statements like these imply that you thought Disney had something to do with those groups behaving better. I was just pointing out that's not the case at all. This may not be what you meant, but it does come off that way.

As I mentioned earlier, I can see why you were unhappy with the groups. What I don't get is why you kept pointing out that the groups were more well behaved at WDW. Maybe they were on the days you were there, but you can't possibly think that was anything more than just dumb luck. If the kids at UO would have opted to go to MGM instead, they would have behaved just as badly there. IMHO, you had a legitimate gripe, until you started comparing the kids at one park vs. the other. This is where you lost me. The parks are irrevelant in this situation.

At any rate, I'm sorry the school allowed these kids to come to the parks unsupervised. You shouldn't have had to deal with that on vacation. The school needs reprimanding, & their policy needs to change or they need to stop field trips.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

Looks like we were posting at the same time. Sorry, you're trip to UO was less than what you were hoping. I can see how the thrill rides would have disappointed compared to CP. That looks like the best park for thrill seekers. UO is more of a park for young dare devils & thrill seekers past their prime. That makes it perfect for me.

 

[EBONYPRINCESS]

I for one can speak as an educator. In all fairness kids should definitely be monitored in public places mostly by those who are with them. I have seen teachers take a child whose behavior is out of control on a field trip undeservedly, and regret it . If a child cannot or will not behave at the school, there is no way, he or she would follow me to a theme park! However, if they were out of place, prehaps those who were in place may have needed to step in and speak with them or the "supervising adult". I tend to expect some misbehavior from children, but not rudeness. And apparently these children were way past excited, and did need to be alerted to get their behavior in check. I love working with youngsters and do not mind lovingly redirecting them from time to time. Yes, some may get offended and get an attitude, but at least they will learn that the world is not their own personal oyster and they are one of many pearls..I am even more disappointed by rude grown ups who don't know how to act properly in public (yeah, right ). Sometimes children simply model the behavior of the adults they are with day to day. The world belongs to us all, and if kindly and assertively suggesting someone think about what he or she is doing, helps to make it better..I don't mind the grief..