Just back from DVC tour- got some juicy tidbits (rumors)

[snowbunny]

In Jambo, the standards will be pool view as the parking lot view rooms will all be value villas.

I do not think this is correct...there will be Jambo parking lot view standards and value savannah view rooms. The difference in points at Jambo is based on the size not the view.

 

[disneynutz]

I should think that if the Contemporary thing was just rumor, DVC would deny it outright. Maybe true or not but why keep it a secret if not true?

Because it creates a DVC buzz. The more speculation and talk, the more sales.

 

[highoctane]

Welcome Home Mr. Man. I always like to here exciting news about DVC. It is my first time share but I love it.

Don't let all of the negative comments burst your excitement. Congratulations

 

[Mr Man]

Welcome Home Mr. Man. I always like to here exciting news about DVC. It is my first time share but I love it.

Don't let all of the negative comments burst your excitement. Congratulations

Thanks for the welcome.

There is no comment out there that could dim my enthusiasm for DVC (other than, a notice that I used up all my points and have to wait a full year to go back).

Actually, I have gleaned a lot of useful info from this thread. This DVC is turning into a full-time obsession for me........ This is an improvement, as my last obsession involved dirt bikes/ATV's & boats. A lot more expense, a lot less Disney.

Regards,

 

[AKV707]

Thanks for the welcome.

There is no comment out there that could dim my enthusiasm for DVC (other than, a notice that I used up all my points and have to wait a full year to go back).

Actually, I have gleaned a lot of useful info from this thread. This DVC is turning into a full-time obsession for me........ This is an improvement, as my last obsession involved dirt bikes/ATV's & boats. A lot more expense, a lot less Disney.

Regards,

My sentiments exactly. There are days when I feel like work is the thing that fills in the time between DVC trips!

home!

 

[Mississippian]

Because it creates a DVC buzz. The more speculation and talk, the more sales.

Speculation about a future VCR does nothing to help DVC sales. It tends to cause people to hesitate before purchasing at AKV and SSR. But if Disney comes out and lies and says there is no Contemporary resort in the works and there really is, then all the purchasers at the other resorts would have a legal cause of action.

If Disney was certain there would be no DVC resort at the Contemporary, they would announce it, as the knowledge that it is there is not helping sales at all.

 

[nuts]

Speculation about a future VCR does nothing to help DVC sales. It tends to cause people to hesitate before purchasing at AKV and SSR. But if Disney comes out and lies and says there is no Contemporary resort in the works and there really is, then all the purchasers at the other resorts would have a legal cause of action.

If Disney was certain there would be no DVC resort at the Contemporary, they would announce it, as the knowledge that it is there is not helping sales at all.

Nope...Disney has NEVER denied or acknowledge rumors. This is true for most corporations. Rumors were flying on STOL for awhile...no comment from Disney. Rumors have been flying on Hawaii for a long time. No comment from Disney. They are not going to box themselves into a corner.

 

[disneynutz]

Speculation about a future VCR does nothing to help DVC sales. It tends to cause people to hesitate before purchasing at AKV and SSR. But if Disney comes out and lies and says there is no Contemporary resort in the works and there really is, then all the purchasers at the other resorts would have a legal cause of action.

If Disney was certain there would be no DVC resort at the Contemporary, they would announce it, as the knowledge that it is there is not helping sales at all.

There is no logic when it comes to people and how they spend their money. I was talking to a DVC Member earlier this week at WDW and they just bought SSR. Their reasoning was that DVD is keeping Contemporary a secret. As soon as it's announced a lot of people will buy there and SSR will be less crowded? He also told me that the Contemporary will be very expensive which will raise the value of his SSR purchase?

 

[Mr Man]

There is no logic when it comes to people and how they spend their money. I was talking to a DVC Member earlier this week at WDW and they just bought SSR. Their reasoning was that DVD is keeping Contemporary a secret. As soon as it's announced a lot of people will buy there and SSR will be less crowded? He also told me that the Contemporary will be very expensive which will raise the value of his SSR purchase?

Disneynutz,

That was you? Just kidding.

I dunno about crowding at SSR. When I was there last week, I saw 8 people total roaming the resort. It looked like a ghost town (the strategy is working Mr Man.....keep it up).....

 

[tjkraz]

Speculation about a future VCR does nothing to help DVC sales. It tends to cause people to hesitate before purchasing at AKV and SSR. But if Disney comes out and lies and says there is no Contemporary resort in the works and there really is, then all the purchasers at the other resorts would have a legal cause of action.

If Disney was certain there would be no DVC resort at the Contemporary, they would announce it, as the knowledge that it is there is not helping sales at all.

You could turn that argument on its head and it would still be valid. I suspect there are people so convinced that CRV is happening that they are buying now presumedly to save money. The rumor mill also helps the situation. With so many people (CMs, other resort guests, message board regulars) making a de facto assertion that it will be CRV, Disney can just let people make decisions under that assumption even if completely untrue.

As for any perceived lost sales...they will still be there. I suspect there are people who are delaying add-on purchases elsewhere while waiting to see what comes of CRV. And if it ends up being a non-DVC structure, well lookie there--prices have gone up by $6-8 per point since construction work started at the Contemporary. Guess they'll have to pay more for their AKV or GCV add-on than they would have 2 years ago. Boo-hoo for Disney!

 

[Chuck S]

Speculation about a future VCR does nothing to help DVC sales. It tends to cause people to hesitate before purchasing at AKV and SSR. But if Disney comes out and lies and says there is no Contemporary resort in the works and there really is, then all the purchasers at the other resorts would have a legal cause of action.

If Disney was certain there would be no DVC resort at the Contemporary, they would announce it, as the knowledge that it is there is not helping sales at all.

I disagree that an announcement would be cause for legal action. There have been several DVCs "officially" announced and never built. Colorado, Eagle Pines, Newport Beach (now a Marriott timeshare), New York City...

 

[sjdisneywedding]

In the past? Nope.

Regarding the walking path from AKV to DAK, in my mind the acid test is this: What does Disney have to gain by doing it? I don't see any particularly obvious gains, to be honest.

AKV will sell-out with or without a walking path. Some may argue that demand for the AKL cash rooms would increase, but given the long distance I don't see that as a given. Bus service could not be discontinued so there is no savings in that regard.

The most likely scenario, IMO, would be if Disney has plans for more enhancements in that area.

The Lodge has been open for 5+ years now, often struggling to fill the massive structure, yet they didn't decide to try a walking path. I can't see them reconfiguring DAK backstage areas, building and protecting (add guest traffic to a secluded area and it's a security liability waiting to happen) a 1+ mile path just as a warm fuzzy for DVC members.

Gains are not always obvious or monetary. A walking path from the lodge to the park is a benefit, pure and simple.


Whats a 1/2 mile walk 10 minutes? max. you dont think a large amount fo people will take advantage of that. I think a HUGE amount of people will take that path

Maybe it was already being considered as a way to help take away that remote feeling of the AKL and now that dvc is there the costs can be shared making the entire thought a better option now.

 

[tjkraz]

Whats a 1/2 mile walk 10 minutes? max. you dont think a large amount fo people will take advantage of that. I think a HUGE amount of people will take that path

A straight-line path from Kidani to DAK is around .75 miles. Figure around a mile to follow a natural path around the terrain and existing roads & infrastructure. At a leisure walking pace of 2 mph, it would be about a 30 minute trip on foot. From Jambo, it would be even longer.

Most of the land is unsuitable in its present state and there are many DAK backstage areas on that side of the park. Personally I don't see it happening, but if it does the bragging rights are yours.

 

[AKV707]

A straight-line path from Kidani to DAK is around .75 miles. Figure around a mile to follow a natural path around the terrain and existing roads & infrastructure. At a leisure walking pace of 2 mph, it would be about a 30 minute trip on foot. From Jambo, it would be even longer.

Most of the land is unsuitable in its present state and there are many DAK backstage areas on that side of the park. Personally I don't see it happening, but if it does the bragging rights are yours.

Well a 30 minute walk every day is recommended by many people. At least that will give us some place to walk at AKV!

 

[sjdisneywedding]

A straight-line path from Kidani to DAK is around .75 miles. Figure around a mile to follow a natural path around the terrain and existing roads & infrastructure. At a leisure walking pace of 2 mph, it would be about a 30 minute trip on foot. From Jambo, it would be even longer.

Most of the land is unsuitable in its present state and there are many DAK backstage areas on that side of the park. Personally I don't see it happening, but if it does the bragging rights are yours.

sounds goot to me,

but...its actually about 3000 ft or just barely over 1/2 mile direct line, but even if the path were 1 mile I still say 15 minutes to 20 minutes tops. Probably owuld not be any further than walking from Spaceship earth to the American Adventire pavillion. certainly more than doable

2 miles per hour walking is fairly slow, any slower and you would not even be moving

The land is always in an unsuitable state, cant worry about that, we are talking about a path not a major hwy.

 

[DebbieB]

I disagree that an announcement would be cause for legal action. There have been several DVCs "officially" announced and never built. Colorado, Eagle Pines, Newport Beach (now a Marriott timeshare), New York City...

When I bought BWV in 1999, VWL was already announced and I believe under contruction. There was a clause in the contract saying there is no guarantee that VWL would be completed or be part of DVC.

 

[tjkraz]

but...its actually about 3000 ft or just barely over 1/2 mile direct line, but even if the path were 1 mile I still say 15 minutes to 20 minutes tops. Probably owuld not be any further than walking from Spaceship earth to the American Adventire pavillion. certainly more than doable

According to Caskbill's posts, BWV lobby to International Gateway is .36 miles. I just don't see people doing cartwheels over the ability to walk 3x that distance to a theme park.

And if that's from the nearest point at Kidani, what about the people who are staying in the opposite end of the resort? Talk about your looooooooong hallways.

What about people staying at Jambo house? It's been mentioned here that Jambo to Kidani--lobby to lobby--is .5 mile. Are people going to walk 1.5 miles from Jambo to DAK?

2 miles per hour walking is fairly slow, any slower and you would not even be moving

3 mph is considered aerobic, as in power walking. 2 - 2.5mph is an average adult pace.

The land is always in an unsuitable state, cant worry about that, we are talking about a path not a major hwy.

But in this case we aren't talking about slicing a path thru a forest--it's swampland.

Again, if it were part of a greater development effort in the area, I could see it. If they planned to put another resort in the vicinity and wanted to develop another resort complex like BC/YC/BW/Dolphin/Swan, I could see a path being part of the equation.

But until that happens, I don't see any great benefit. AKV is going to sell out regardless. A walking path wouldn't save any money because they still need to provide bus service--it's not like BWV/BCV where the proximity is close enough to eliminate the busses.

In today's Walt Disney Company, I can't see them spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a path that will have zero impact on the bottom line.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I disagree that an announcement would be cause for legal action. There have been several DVCs "officially" announced and never built. Colorado, Eagle Pines, Newport Beach (now a Marriott timeshare), New York City...

A slight correction... Disney Vacation Development announced only two DVC resorts that were never built: the Newport Beach location and the location at Eagle Pines Gold Course. In both cases, the DVC resorts were announced in good faith, but Disney subsequently did not proceed with them after all.

The timeshare component of the Market Square at Beaver Creek project and the lodging component at the Times Square ewalk entertainment/retail complex project were projects by outside developers. It was no secret that Disney was in talks with these developers, but Disney never officially announced DVC resorts at these locations. Ultimately, other lodging companies replaced Disney in these developments.

The four examples above all show why it makes sense for Disney Vacation Development to wait as long as possible to make announcements.

 

[Dean]

A slight correction... Disney Vacation Development announced only two DVC resorts that were never built: the Newport Beach location and the location at Eagle Pines Gold Course. In both cases, the DVC resorts were announced in good faith, but Disney subsequently did not proceed with them after all.

The timeshare component of the Market Square at Beaver Creek project and the lodging component at the Times Square ewalk entertainment/retail complex project were projects by outside developers. It was no secret that Disney was in talks with these developers, but Disney never officially announced DVC resorts at these locations. Ultimately, other lodging companies replaced Disney in these developments.

The four examples above all show why it makes sense for Disney Vacation Development to wait as long as possible to make announcements.

Add to that the fact that VB was scaled back from it's original plan.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

According to Caskbill's posts, BWV lobby to International Gateway is .36 miles. I just don't see people doing cartwheels over the ability to walk 3x that distance to a theme park.

And if that's from the nearest point at Kidani, what about the people who are staying in the opposite end of the resort? Talk about your looooooooong hallways.

What about people staying at Jambo house? It's been mentioned here that Jambo to Kidani--lobby to lobby--is .5 mile. Are people going to walk 1.5 miles from Jambo to DAK?



3 mph is considered aerobic, as in power walking. 2 - 2.5mph is an average adult pace.



But in this case we aren't talking about slicing a path thru a forest--it's swampland.

Again, if it were part of a greater development effort in the area, I could see it. If they planned to put another resort in the vicinity and wanted to develop another resort complex like BC/YC/BW/Dolphin/Swan, I could see a path being part of the equation.

But until that happens, I don't see any great benefit. AKV is going to sell out regardless. A walking path wouldn't save any money because they still need to provide bus service--it's not like BWV/BCV where the proximity is close enough to eliminate the busses.

In today's Walt Disney Company, I can't see them spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a path that will have zero impact on the bottom line.

you could be totally right, but I still cant agree with the reasoning as to why.

The walk: I still think its nothing much at all, you bring up BW to the IG being ..36 miles, well that gets you nowhere. Its about another 3/4 mile(at least) to Spaceship Earth so you are looking at over 1 1/4 miles to get to that area and people do that all the time. We have no idea where this possible path would dump guests maybe it would be better than getting dumped out front and having to then walk through the entire park. I mean serioulsy, just to get from the entrance of the AK to the Safari is about 1/3 of a mile.

The cost: I think whenever walking is an option as opposed to busses, its a huge advantage. HUGE. I am not saying it will save a penny in the long run. But a couple hundred thousand is peanuts especially divided between the AKL and the AKV.

I dont think the walking path would impact DVC sales at all, but it could help to fill the other AKL rooms with a little more frequency. Just a slight jump in occupancy can start to make a big difference.

Plus people LOVE to areas where they can take long walks or jogs. This would provide a perfect opportunity. Who knows could possibly be even made wide enough to provide a place for bike rental use. which is another great activity people like to see

AND who knows Disney could possibly reduce the time frame for the busses. Even scheduling the busses 5 extra minutes apart could possibly save thousands a year on expenses.

The land: you may be right, it may be complete swampland, I am not familiar with the area much, but you mentioned alot of backstage areas, where exactly are those? Are we talking built up backstages?

In any event, theres 101 ways to build in swampy areas nowadays. Who knows maybe even a raised walkway/boardwalk on piers type deal over the swamp in some areas if its too swampy. Similar to the HHI boardwalks