Just back from 1st OKW visit - awesome villa but.....

jcodespoti · Mar 27, 2001

I for one enjoy rich humor or there lack of. I feel that I don't have to defend my purchase and add ons at BWV. I love the BWV for. For me and my wife its perfect. I also like OKW.. for different reasons but I still like it. Both are sold out so somebody else out there likes them to

Joe in CT

Mickies'Girl · Mar 27, 2001

Well said Joe. I also like my home resort BWV and I did recieve a "Welcome Home" on my last visit. We had a wonderful view of Space Ship Earth, you couldn't ask for a better view.

Geubux · Mar 27, 2001

I'm sorry richyams. (kiss and makeup). I agree with the earlier post that half the problem is probably our mood when we get to checkin. After driving 14 hours, nothing is right for me. But, after being there 5 days, everything is just zip-a-dee-doo-dah great! Thanks for all the good CM's who do put up with us. Hope the 90% good rub off on the grouches, like me!!!!

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zurgswife · Mar 27, 2001

Haven't you ever heard size doesn't matter its how you use it......

I use and enjoy my smaller (2bdrm villas on family visits of course and Grand villas well they are way over rated for my tastes) more then I think I would every use or enjoy either at OKW.

Personally I just enjoy, cherish being able to take my family on lovely vacations to WDW. And BWV's, well they suit me and mine just fine.

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Donna · Mar 27, 2001

Not room 2018 and 2020. My "preferred" view was of a tree, the patio door was jammed - would not close, pencil writings all over the bedroom doors, stained carpet, wet carpet, footprints on the walls, unfinished kitchen table, sticky countertops-would not wipe up, 11 cigarette burns in the bathroom. This was AFTER dealing with the rudest CM at check in i've EVER had in all my years of going to disney -including pre-dvc. I still can't believe i cut my OKW stay to 4 days to try out the BW and paid more points for so much less space. I am STILL hearing from my husband "why did we EVER do that?" Now we just say, it's a nice place to visit, but we wouldn't want to stay there. yes, it was based on that one time visit but i've read this and talked to fellow members in person who have had very similar experiences. I won't be taking that chance again. Points are too precious to use there. donna

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baileybrad · Mar 27, 2001

well there are just 11 more folks to track down who had a lousy time at a DVC resort. Still pretty a good percentage of happy customers. And yes everyone is happy for those of you who love and defend your home resorts but you all do understand that all of the resorts are great and unique in their own way.

MinnieMe2 · Mar 27, 2001

You stole my come back -- LOL. I agree with everything you said. It shouldn't matter all that much which resort you CHOOSE to stay at. It's just being there that matters. VWL will suit us just fine, and we feel fortunate that we'll finally have some space to spread out in!

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Lisa F · Mar 27, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Compounded by the 1.2 mile hike to the room from check in, made me happy I didn't own in a nasty hotel. It did have its good points...I got to tip a valet every time I left or entered the hotel. I drive everywhere and the marathon to the room was enough to make the valet worthwhile.
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I'll bet that hike was uphill, both ways, in the snow and dark of night as well.

Hmmm, when you say "nasty" do you mean: disgustingly filthy? physically repugnant? Indecent? Obscene? Mean? Tawdry? Extremely hazardous or harmful? Causing severe pain or suffering? (I really love dictionaries

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Just in case you were wondering why people reacted badly to your comments, it might be your "nasty" tone in implying that people who buy at the boardwalk are idiots because of:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Then to think that owners there are paying 25% higher dues, 25-100% higher points per night and all this for tiny rooms with no dining area, man, am I glad BWV didn't open first, I might have bought there and regretted it my whole life.
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Since you enjoy quotes so much, I figured I'd reply with a few of my own:

There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
-Benjamin Disraeli

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
Aaron Levenstein

Numbers are like people; torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

and, my husband's personal favorite:

You use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>OKW on the other hand, is just as perfect as perfect gets. Friendly CMs, plenty of activities for the kids, luxurios, spacious units and a great view from just about every room.
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Hm... "perfect"... do you mean "being entirely without fault or defect?" I'm guessing that this isn't quite true either, judging from the post of the person who originated this thread.

Just some food for thought!

Lisa

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-Le Corbusier

[This message was edited by Lisa F on 03-27-01 at 09:02 PM.]

sconstantz · Mar 27, 2001

Rich, aren't you glad that others really like BWV so they stay there? I mean, wouldn't it be a shame if all DVC'rs wanted to stay at OKW and you couldn't get a ressie and were forced to go there? Just wondering....
shellyÃÂ

AnnK · Mar 27, 2001

Lisa,
What a great post!( I honestly don't expect any reply to that!)

Richyams · Mar 27, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hmmm, when you say "nasty" do you mean: disgustingly filthy? physically repugnant? Indecent? Obscene? Mean? Tawdry? Extremely hazardous or harmful? Causing severe pain or suffering? (I really love dictionaries ).

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Nasty as in extreme pain and suffering. Why should I suffer through a hotel like atmosphere when OKW is right around the corner.

I am not sure if they tilt the building or what, but those endless hallways certinly seemed uphill both ways, that added to the pain. I don't even give my honest feelings on this board, I realize that many people actually like staying at BWV. I really disliked my stay there alot more than I let on.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Just in case you were wondering why people reacted badly to your comments, it might be your "nasty" tone in implying that people who buy at the boardwalk are idiots because of:

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Then to think that owners there are paying 25% higher dues, 25-100% higher points per night and all this for tiny rooms with no dining area, man, am I glad BWV didn't open first, I might have bought there and regretted it my whole life.

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Sorry, this time I didn't add, "Many people believe the location, proximity to parks and the Boardwalk area itself makes dealing with the tiny rooms, high dues and high point schedule worth while."

I will remember to do that in the future.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hm... "perfect"... do you mean "being entirely without fault or defect?" I'm guessing that this isn't quite true either, judging from the post of the person who originated this thread.

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I mean perfect in every way, for us.

In my first post, I was giving my feelings about the resort to juxtapose the original posters....it amazes me that so many missed that.

Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????

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nydizfan · Mar 27, 2001

Hey rich. Some people just get mad when others dont agree with their decsion(sp) . I agree okw is much better if for nothing else but to be able to park right at your front door. When people get angry, there vision must get clouded. dave

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mickey7861 · Mar 27, 2001

The corridors at the BW are beautiful. When I went to see a friends 1 Bdr that's what convinced me that the Disney magic was really there. Just thinking of the "wooden" walkway carpet and seagrass on the wallpaper makes me long for WDW. If I could find this wallpaper at home I would put it up in my hallway, just a bit of Dis at home. I've also stayed in rooms at WL and Contemp. and walked at lot longer to my room. I think all the DVC resorts are great and luckily they're all different. If they were all alike what would be the point?

HorizonsFan · Mar 27, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????[/quote]

"The needs of many far outweigh the needs of the few"
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Dave

ripleysmom · Mar 27, 2001

Lisa, you are my hero!!!

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Tigger1 · Mar 27, 2001

I am considering buying more points at OKW so I can use them at Vero, pay lower dues, hehe.

Actually, I will buy at Vero to get the 11 month window. The one experience I have had at Vero the CMs were very good. Elevators to get up to the 3rd floor and parking in the basement. A wonderful place to relax. This is my favorite Disney resort. One of Disneys best kept secrets.

I also love to spend time at OKW. I did get a CM that was rude. Twice in one trip. If she is still there in May, I will wait in line for the next CM, hehe.

My DF loves OKW and has no desire to try anything else. Once he leaves though (has to return early for work), The Children and I will try out BWV. I love the atmosphere at BW. We may only go to the park one day and enjoy the resort the other days.

Then there is VWL, well I do not have enough points to add a few days there but if I did, mmmmm

After reading particular post, I am glad I can enjoy all the wonderful things Disney has to offer.

Think positive and enjoy your vacations.

Tigger

Lisa F · Mar 28, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Nasty as in extreme pain and suffering. Why should I suffer through a hotel like atmosphere when OKW is right around the corner.

I am not sure if they tilt the building or what, but those endless hallways certinly seemed uphill both ways, that added to the pain. I don't even give my honest feelings on this board, I realize that many people actually like staying at BWV. I really disliked my stay there alot more than I let on.
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I've really been trying to respond to this without making any personal attacks on your character, but I'm not sure I can. What kind of "character" would equate staying at a "hotel" (as you call it) with "pain and suffering"? There are so many people in the world who know what real pain and suffering is that it embarasses me that, for whatever reason, you feel like equating your stay at a place that most of the people in this country can't even afford with disease, war and other real horrors that cause real pain and suffering.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In my first post, I was giving my feelings about the resort to juxtapose the original posters....it amazes me that so many missed that.
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I think what you miss, time and time again, is that the way to convince someone that something is good is not to convince them that everything else is bad.

If OKW is truly as wonderful as you say it is, then merely discussing the good points should be able to speak for themselves. Instead of saying what most others said, which is "you might want to give OKW another try, it was completely magical for us and here's why" you say, and I paraphrase, "you, and every other person who enjoys the BWV is a complete moron for enjoying it because staying there is the equivalent of having your hometown bombed." If I believed that you were typical of the OKW owner, your statements wouldn't make me want to give it a try again... your statements would make me want to avoid it like the plague because of what the neighbors are like.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I mean perfect in every way, for us. [/quote]

Ah, for you. Well that's quite a bit different now, isn't it?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????[/quote]

I would say that calling staying in the BWV "extreme pain and suffering" is an inappropriately scaled protest to BWV, yes. Thank you for admitting it. Though, just to clarify, you are not many. You are one. I need to go to work in a few, so feel free to get in the last word while I'm gone.

Lisa

Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination

"You employ stone, wood, and concrete, and with these materials you build house and palaces. That is construction. Ingenuity is at work. But suddenly, you touch my heart, you do me good. I am happy and I say 'This is beautiful.' That is architecture. Art enters in."
-Le Corbusier

[This message was edited by Lisa F on 03-28-01 at 07:25 AM.]

Richyams · Mar 28, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I've really been trying to respond to this without making any personal attacks on your character, but I'm not sure I can. What kind of "character" would equate staying at a "hotel" (as you call it) with "pain and suffering"? There are so many people in the world who know what real pain and suffering is that it embarasses me that, for whatever reason, you feel like equating your stay at a place that most of the people in this country can't even afford with disease, war and other real horrors that cause real pain and suffering. [/quote]

Who is at fault if they are going to need to resort to personal attacks?

Pain and suffering are relative things. I had to suffer through dinner last night without any chocolate milk.....is that an improper use of the word because it minimizes the suffering of the poor in china?

My left foot hurts. I have nerve oroblems in it that have caused a condition known as hammer toes. Long walks can be excrutiting. Those endless hallways cause me nasty pain.

Why did I need to justify my opinion? Because it is strongly held? Because it worries others? Sorry, I don't really feel that my opinion is less valid because it conflicts with yours.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think what you miss, time and time again, is that the way to convince someone that something is good is not to convince them that everything else is bad.

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Again, did you even read the first post in this thread? My post was in the same terms as that post. I believe that it effectively showed that there are people with the opposite opinion.....go back and read it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ah, for you. Well that's quite a bit different now, isn't it?

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Different???? Different from what? I never said that all people should have the same opinion....did I? As a matter of fact, wasn't my post to show that otheres have different opinions?

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Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????
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I would say that calling staying in the BWV "extreme pain and suffering" is an inappropriately scaled protest to BWV, yes. Thank you for admitting it. Though, just to clarify, you are not many. You are one. I need to go to work in a few, so feel free to get in the last word while I'm gone.

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Are you joking here? Do you not understand that "many" is the many that are BWV owners that are feeling so sensitive that they need to attack?

I could go on, but this is just an argument now. Unfortunately, people find it difficult to discuss the issues and not eachother.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

pentex · Mar 28, 2001

We seem to have trailed off the topic here, which I think may be due to overanalyzing words and even the use of a dictionary? Give me a break...we don't need reference materials to answer someone's question!

Treloarf, I feel terrible that you didn't have a great experience at OKW. We bought in at OKW in 1993 and have visited there every year since except for 2000 when we tried out BWV. I liked BWV and it is a very pretty hotel, but I could never compare it to the experiences we had at OKW. We all felt sad every time we passed OKW by on the road last year, wishing we were staying there instead.

There's not enough room to list all the special ways the OKW cast members have touched the lives of my children. As one quick example, my daughter's birthday fell during one visit and we mentioned it at OKW....all the people behind the reservation desks joined in and sang "Happy Birthday" to her, they gave her a special hat to wear around the resort and then every time the people driving the carts saw us, they drove us anywhere we wanted to go. The hat also earned her free ice cream, a free bike rental and lots of hugs and wishes from CM's she met along the way. When we got home to the room that evening, they had put a bunch of balloons with a card with a photo of the characters, and signed by Mickey Mouse.

Last year,at the BW it was also her birthday. She told the lady at check-in (who was very mechancial about everything to begin with) and she gave a half-smile and said, "That's wonderful". Never even said "Happy Birthday". My daughter also mentioned it to a CM in the hallway and he wished her a Happy Birthday and hurried on.

Like I said, that is just one quick example. I could fill this page with wonderful memories from the OKW. It is truly like a second home to us. Do I think Rich and the others are right about the bigger rooms, drive up parking, etc. making OKW a superior resort? You bet. But there is even more that makes it great for families...it's the atmosphere and the attitudes of the staff, and it's awful you didn't get to experience that. I highly recommend you try it out again because I know you love it.

We are booked for OKW once again for October of this year and even if I could get BWV for the same points and same size room, I would never do it. We tried it and it was nice, but we couldn't be more thrilled to be "going home" again.

CarolAnnC · Mar 28, 2001

The topic here is the OKW visit by a first time DVC member. We are all individuals and we all have our own individual experiences and opinions to share. I would like to remind everyone to respect everyone's opinions whether or not you agree with them. Personal attacks will not be tolerated on this board!

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