Juicy AKV's Rumor.....

[3DisneyKids]

I closed in MAy of last year before construction was really even started never mind 80% completed

I just thing this is a way to justife his dream of a crv

Please realize that there are MANY folks on these boards who know DVC inside and out...to the letter of the POS. They know it far better than even MS folks. If you read my post above, you will see why you were able to purchase in May.

 

[spiceycat]

70% of the exterior building (not internal).

since the AKV was being done in a completely building - they could start selling immediately.

OKW and SSR were one building at a time - until more than 70% of the resort was done - then it was the resort (I think)

now back to CR.

don't know - wish they would tell us - but they won't. Hope and wishing it will be a CRV. but with Disney who knows.

really, really wish Disney would annouced it. but that annoucement is surpose to be in May.

 

[3DisneyKids]

Thanks for correcting me, Pat. I knew it was 70%...just forgot to mention that it is 70% of the exterior.

 

[DBorges]

70% of the exterior building (not internal).

since the AKV was being done in a completely building - they could start selling immediately.makes so sort of sence!

OKW and SSR were one building at a time - until more than 70% of the resort was done - then it was the resort (I think) what about beach club???

now back to CR.

don't know - wish they would tell us - but they won't. Hope and wishing it will be a CRV. but with Disney who knows.

really, really wish Disney would annouced it. but that annoucement is surpose to be in May.

Really i have not heard that either??

 

[DBorges]

78 % is phase 1

There is not a diffrence other then from a sales point in AKV points it is what it is.

Jambo House/ KIDANI are one in the same as far a points and contracts ..

It would be way to hard to seperate the place in to diffrent points.

It is merly how they sell it phase 1 phase 2

Per a coversation with sales they are 78% sold out of phase 1

Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this).

With AKV...Jambo House was DONE and all they had to do was retro-fit rooms, thus they easily made the 70% completion rule to sell there.

And no...AKV is nowhere near 78% sold out. MAYBE Jambo house is 78%....but the lion's share of the resort will be at Kidani and they are just getting ready to sell there now. Like SSR, Kidani will have separate phases/buildings, thus once each building is at 70%, they can begin to sell there.

Hope this helps.

 

[3DisneyKids]

78 % is phase 1

There is not a diffrence other then from a sales point in AKV points it is what it is.

Jambo House/ KIDANI are one in the same as far a points and contracts ..

It would be way to hard to seperate the place in to diffrent points.

It is merly how they sell it phase 1 phase 2

Per a coversation with sales they are 78% sold out of phase 1

No argument...as I said, Jambo may well be 78% sold....there are not many rooms there. LisaS calcualted the number of points total for sale in Jambo and it is a small amount, respectively, so sure, I can believe that they may be at 78% at this time.

My point is that all DVCers "own" part of a particular unit. Right now, the only units that have been sold/are selling are in Jambo because they are not legally allowed to sell Kidani. If you check your deed, you will note that you own a percentage of a certine "Unit #." It means nothing, as we can stay wherever we want.

But your initial comment contested the fact that resorts have to be substantially completed before sales begin. Pat and I have both explained why you (and others, myself included) were able to purchase AKV seemingly before construction began.

 

[drag n' fly]

If this rumour is true I will be mighty glad AKV is my home resort

 

[DBorges]

"Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this)."


I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..

 

[3DisneyKids]

"Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this)."


I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..

No, there is nothing that says "Jambo House." never said there was. There IS, however, a UNIT # listed in your paperwork.

We are off topic and I am done explaining this. Happy New Year!

 

[JsMom2]

Pat and I have both explained why you (and others, myself included) were able to purchase AKV seemingly before construction began.

Thanks for the information. It's good to know. (I'm sure the rest of us understood! )

If they add concierge to Kidani, I just hope they are all Savannah View. I booked a 1BR Concierge at Jambo for next September, but changed it when I found out I wasn't guaranteed a Savannah View.

I'd mainly booked concierge because of the safari. When I'm "at home" I really don't want daily mousekeeping.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I'm confused by this statement as well since we also bought at AKV and nothing was constructed either!

Can someone explain how Disney got around the law for AKV? Tiger

There were rehabed units "built" in teh original building of AKL.

 

[3DisneyKids]

Thanks for the information. It's good to know. (I'm sure the rest of us understood! )

If they add concierge to Kidani, I just hope they are all Savannah View. I booked a 1BR Concierge at Jambo for next September, but changed it when I found out I wasn't guaranteed a Savannah View.

I'd mainly booked concierge because of the safari. When I'm "at home" I really don't want daily mousekeeping.

I agree....we are planning to book concierge next fall (yikes! I am already in the window...I better get on it!) but the non-guaranteed Savavannah view is puzzling. I would think that this would be one of the main guarantees of CL rooms. Yeah, I know that CL is really about service and amenities as opposed to room location, but still, when the view is the main feature of AKL... ....I find it puzzling that it is not a gurantee.

Count me in as one who is excited about the possibility of CL at Kidani! They already have the point structure in place for Jambo House...so when they go to sell points for Kidani, they could just make sure that the points work out so there are CL rooms available. Since Kidani is new construction and not retro-fit, I would think it would be easier to make sure that all CL rooms are also savannah view. Here's hoping!

 

[RobDoc]

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I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..

There is definitely a difference between the two phases. They are completely different structures.

Your unit ownership is physically located in Jambo House - and was a unit which was completed in May, 2007 - which is the reason you closed at that time. The final unit(s) in Jambo House will be completed this month and those members will close at that time (if any of those "units" have been sold by the end of this month).

At this time, no sales have been made for any if the Kidani "units" and those sales will not begin until enough of the structure has been completed to satisfy the legal requirements.

SSR sales began about 9 months prior to the resort opening - and that was allowed because the first building reached the required state of completion. The first four buildings at SSR opened one per month beginning in May, 2004 - the final building opened a few months ago.

BCV was the same, where no sales began until enough of the structure was completed. VWL didn't begin any sales until after the resort had already opened.

Since AKV consists of some new construction (Kidani Village) and some villas created from renovated existing resort rooms (Jambo House), it had the luxury of being able to begin sales long before ground was broken for Kidani - but only about 3 months prior to completion of the first rooms to be renovated. Thus, that resort was able to begin sales far earlier than any other DVC resort to date. GCV may have a similar sales structure. KoOlina will be more like SSR since there is no existing resort to utilize.

Several DVC resorts have opened in phases - OKW had 3 phases (the third was for the final 3 buildings with elevators after the original Sales Center was torn down), VB had 2 phases (the 2nd never was built) and SSR had 3 phases and now AKV is opening in 2 phases with Phase 1 being the renovated rooms within the existing Jambo House structure. Even BWV had a 2nd phase. It originally opened as a one-phase resort, but had a second round of sales when the sales center was closed (and moved to SSR) - thus freeing up some space for more villas.

HH opened entirely even though it has multiple separate buildings, VWL opened completely after construction ended and BCV opened in one phase.

Within those "phases" there are several "units" which are declared into member inventory based on the sales. Thus, DVD has the ability to rent these villas thru CRO until the rooms are added to the sales inventory. Once declared into inventory, the villas are available for point reservations even if they have not yet been sold and are no longer available thru CRO as cash reservations.

 

[Chester's Mum]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

The safari is why I 'd want to stay there. Not in the hotel long enough to make free snacks worth the extra cost in points.

 

[canda]

homer simpson says...."mmmmmmmmmaggggghh,,,,,,(drool) Free Snacks........mmmmmmmmggggggh......"

 

[SuzanneSLO]

The current AKV Declaration of Condominium limits the concierge units to Jambo House and limits the lounge to that location as well. If DVC add more conceirge units, they will undoubtedly do so before they begin selling any units in Kidani. This allows DVC the flexibility to amend the DoC without needing the consent of any members.

-- Suzanne

 

[GusMan]

The safari is why I 'd want to stay there. Not in the hotel long enough to make free snacks worth the extra cost in points.

A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

 

[SSRFred]

A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

I've done it once as a Cash customer and will do it again as a DVC member. The Sunrise Safari is a wonderful experience. As for concierge on points, the daily mousekeeping(~$30/day) is worth it if that matters to you.

 

[kgc07]

A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

The answer depends on the person you are asking. Some people would say no, they want to use the least ammount of points possible. Others, like us, have stayed concierge level in hotels in the past and love that AKV offers the concierge level. Other than the safari, the loungs offers small snacks during the day and pre-vacation planning services.

 

[JimVL]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

I would book for the safaris. I would enjoy the other benefits, but I wouldn't use the extra points just for the other concierge benefits.