JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[Sandy Cross]

But there's no reports of them since the murder -- with incredible public speculation about them 20 years after the case?

If they are very private people they would cover up the negative and concentrate on the positive.

 

[cabanafrau]

Wow you all are hilarious

When you share our theories elsewhere, please give credit to where you heard them.

 

[nugov2]

Friends of John and Patsy have said to them image was everything maybe they didn't want anyone to know that their son had emotional issues and we don't know that he hid it there could have been many incidents we know nothing about and they could have been escalating.

Image was everything so when they find their daughter dead at the hands of their son their mind immediately goes to mutilating their beloved daughter's body to cover for their son vs calling 911 and trying to help beloved daughter and getting their son much needed psychiatric help. Again, that doesn't add up.

 

[cabanafrau]

If they are very private people they would cover up the negative and concentrate on the positive.

My point is there are no reports of his violent outbursts since the murder, despite intense media and public speculation for two decades?

I gotta go and read up on that plausible explanation stuff again, clearly I'm missing something.

 

[Sandy Cross]

But you said they were your opinions, not accusations. Now they're not your opinions, they're theories you picked up elsewhere?

I said some of what I posted was my opinion and some of what I posted I heard elsewhere I never said anything I said was fact. I wanted to discuss the theories that are out there but for some reason everyone is taking everything personally I am learning nothing new here just spending all the time defending myself.

 

[sunshinehighway]

That was a theory I never said I agreed with it I posted several theories I have heard to get others opinions on them. You are all thinking what I posted was what I thought but I was posting theories I had heard there are many more I guess I won't post since you will attribute them to me also.

When most of your posts actually say that you believe x or think x, it's easy to think you are posting things you believe.
Why would you want to discuss such ridiculous things if you don't believe them? I can understand wanting to discuss various things even if you don't believe them but the things you are posting are just random and ridiculous. When people do post back, you just come back with something else that's your made up opinion. You can't have a discussion like that.

 

[cabanafrau]

I said some of what I posted was my opinion and some of what I posted I heard elsewhere I never said anything I said was fact. I wanted to discuss the theories that are out there but for some reason everyone is taking everything personally I am learning nothing new here just spending all the time defending myself.

I can't say with 100-percent conviction, but I think it's incredibly plausible that none of us here has personal, direct knowledge of the case. I don't know what "new" things you think anyone here is likely to reveal to you?

 

[Sandy Cross]

Between the ages of six and nine he had violent outbursts where he regularly bashed his sister over the head with golf clubs and a flashlight, but then he killed her and it....cured him? Did his violent outbursts just disappear. OMG! Do you think he killed Patsy, too? Cancer? No way. I think you are onto something. He killed his own mother! That's why John didn't stop him from going on Dr. Phil. He fears for his own life. Mystery solved!

Super Burke:
Scrawny 9 y/o by day, strongest boy in the world by night
Zero control over violent outbursts, complete control over his mouth
Able to kill with one single blow to the head and cover it up like a seasoned pro

If that's your opinion go for it

 

[LisaR]

Image was everything so when they find their daughter dead at the hands of their son their mind immediately goes to mutilating their beloved daughter's body to cover for their son vs calling 911 and trying to help beloved daughter and getting their son much needed psychiatric help. Again, that doesn't add up.

Exactly! A 9 y/o isn't going to be shipped off to Sing Sing. This family had the means (money, lawyers, connections) to get him into the best care possible that was the least detrimental. If the assumption was that this was an accident on the part of Burke and John and Patsy truly loved their children, they would seek out help for both of their children: 9-11 for JB and serious psychiatric counseling for Burke.

 

[nugov2]

And another thing....if Patsy and JR were so effective at coaching Burke to not say the wrong thing, why didn't they coach him about acting cool under interrogation. I mean wouldn't that have been important. By smiling and acting "weird" as people say, he is giving himself away. They had enough foresight to get dna, write a letter, stage a vilolent murder and even convince burke to never speak of the night in a way that would implicate them, but not enough foresight to coach him to act normal and not raise suspicion. Seems like a pretty big mistake for people who were capable of carrying out such a flawless coverup.

 

[Sandy Cross]

I can't say with 100-percent conviction, but I think it's incredibly plausible that none of us here has personal, direct knowledge of the case. I don't know what "new" things you think anyone here is likely to reveal to you?

I thought maybe you had heard different theories or had heard of new evidence that I hadn't heard.

 

[Sandy Cross]

And another thing....if Patsy and JR were so effective at coaching Burke to not say the wrong thing, why didn't they coach him about acting cool under interrogation. I mean wouldn't that have been important. By smiling and acting "weird" as people say, he is giving himself away. They had enough foresight to get dna, write a letter, stage a vilolent murder and even convince burke to never speak of the night in a way that would implicate them, but not enough foresight to coach him to act normal and not raise suspicion. Seems like a pretty big mistake for people who were capable of carrying out such a flawless coverup.

I have heard and again don't know for certain that John and Patsy were not cooperating with police in allowing them access to Burke and had to be forced to let police interview him.

 

[msjprincess]

And another thing....if Patsy and JR were so effective at coaching Burke to not say the wrong thing, why didn't they coach him about acting cool under interrogation. I mean wouldn't that have been important. By smiling and acting "weird" as people say, he is giving himself away. They had enough foresight to get dna, write a letter, stage a vilolent murder and even convince burke to never speak of the night in a way that would implicate them, but not enough foresight to coach him to act normal and not raise suspicion. Seems like a pretty big mistake for people who were capable of carrying out such a flawless coverup.

Well, these are the same people who went through all that trouble but left the murder weapon sitting on the kitchen counter.

 

[nugov2]

I said some of what I posted was my opinion and some of what I posted I heard elsewhere I never said anything I said was fact. I wanted to discuss the theories that are out there but for some reason everyone is taking everything personally I am learning nothing new here just spending all the time defending myself.

Here is a good way to start meaningful discussion. I watched the cbs special and have always felt it was burke. On that show they brought up the train tracks he played with matched the puncture marks, does anybody feel this is strong proof he did it? What other explanation is there for the marks if the stun gun doesn't make similar marks?

I thought maybe you had heard different theories or had heard of new evidence that I hadn't heard.

We have given you tons of credible evidence that it was an intruder you choose to not process that or even acknowledge that it does have merit. I have said that my feeling is an intruder but I don’t discount every piece of evidence against the Ramsey's. Some odd stuff did go down, but for me the evidence still points overwhelmingly to an intruder who knew JBR as a family friend or as an effective stalker.

I will say that for me the CBS special was similar to a TMZ report with far fetched theories and one sided facts, but the train track matching the marks is a head scratcher.

 

[Sandy Cross]

When most of your posts actually say that you believe x or think x, it's easy to think you are posting things you believe.
Why would you want to discuss such ridiculous things if you don't believe them? I can understand wanting to discuss various things even if you don't believe them but the things you are posting are just random and ridiculous. When people do post back, you just come back with something else that's your made up opinion. You can't have a discussion like that.

I don't believe everything I posted and I will try in future post to make it clear these are things I have heard or read but regardless no one should make fun of someone's opinion and act like their in a comedy club that's childish and rude and completely uncalled for you seem to be a big click who likes to bully people and I'm getting a clue that your pro Ramsey. I would think you would welcome some different opinions not attack them but there I go thinking again.

 

[cabanafrau]

I thought maybe you had heard different theories or had heard of new evidence that I hadn't heard.

The new(er) evidence that I've become aware of is DNA found which does not belong to the family and the revelations that several previously publicly accepted pieces of "evidence" were in fact fabrications of the police. You seem to have satisfied yourself the DNA was planted by John Ramsey and feel the police fabrications should be accepted as factual indications that the family must indeed be responsible, some way, somehow, any way, anyhow. I don't really know much more I could possibly tell you.

 

[nugov2]

I don't believe everything I posted and I will try in future post to make it clear these are things I have heard or read but regardless no one should make fun of someone's opinion and act like their in a comedy club that's childish and rude and completely uncalled for you seem to be a big click who likes to bully people and I'm getting a clue that your pro Ramsey. I would think you would welcome some different opinions not attack them but there I go thinking again.

The disboards, but especially the community board is made up of very sarcastic people. Some peopl run on dunkin, I run on sarcasm. Certain attitudes in posts bring out that sarcasm and your posts have been full of them by you post containing flammatory accusations with no real evidence to back it up. For me I don’t feel you actually want to discuss but shoot down every theory because you feel differently, but offer no real evidence. I'd be happy to discuss it even if you strongly believe differently from me, if your posts were different.

ETA...I lied, I actually run on dunkin too and starbucks. Just depends which drive thru I'm passing that day.

 

[RitaE]

Here is a good way to start meaningful discussion. I watched the cbs special and have always felt it was burke. On that show they brought up the train tracks he played with matched the puncture marks, does anybody feel this is strong proof he did it? What other explanation is there for the marks if the stun gun doesn't make similar marks?



We have given you tons of credible evidence that it was an intruder you choose to not process that or even acknowledge that it does have merit. I have said that my feeling is an intruder but I don’t discount every piece of evidence against the Ramsey's. Some odd stuff did go down, but for me the evidence still points overwhelmingly to an intruder who knew JBR as a family friend or as an effective stalker.

I will say that for me the CBS special was similar to a TMZ report with far fetched theories and one sided facts, but the train track matching the marks is a head scratcher.

You'll have to forgive me because Human Biology and myself do not exactly get along, but from what I understood one of the Doctors was saying the marks could have been a "poke" from the train tracks made after death. He said that because of the the little white circle in the center of the marks?

If that is the case then I go back to trying to fit the events together.

Burke hits her with a flashlight
One of the parents designs a garrote to finish her off
but then they get queasy about touching her and poke her with a train track

Or does Burke step back in at that point and poke her?

Or are we going to assign the garrote to Burke?

Those are the questions I would have.


The things that bother me.

That note to me points to Patsy. I'm not sure exactly how, but I cannot shake the feeling she was involved in the composition. I'm interested in the reports of fecal smearing. There isn't much available there and I've never seen confirmation that it was attributable to Burke. I'd be interested in knowing more about that because if so I then have two kids showing common signs of psychological or sexual trauma.

None of that explains away the DNA though.

 

[Sandy Cross]

Here is a good way to start meaningful discussion. I watched the cbs special and have always felt it was burke. On that show they brought up the train tracks he played with matched the puncture marks, does anybody feel this is strong proof he did it? What other explanation is there for the marks if the stun gun doesn't make similar marks?



We have given you tons of credible evidence that it was an intruder you choose to not process that or even acknowledge that it does have merit. I have said that my feeling is an intruder but I don’t discount every piece of evidence against the Ramsey's. Some odd stuff did go down, but for me the evidence still points overwhelmingly to an intruder who knew JBR as a family friend or as an effective stalker.

I will say that for me the CBS special was similar to a TMZ report with far fetched theories and one sided facts, but the train track matching the marks is a head scratcher.

I am not totally discounting that it was an intruder but to me the evidence overwhelmingly points to the family. I admit that it's not impossible that someone got into the house and committed this crime it just seems to me they would have had to be there far to long and would have wrote a short ransom note without all the movie quotes and threats saying the same thing over and over that ransom note was overkill in my opinion. Also has anyone heard about the heart on her hand connection??

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't believe everything I posted and I will try in future post to make it clear these are things I have heard or read but regardless no one should make fun of someone's opinion and act like their in a comedy club that's childish and rude and completely uncalled for you seem to be a big click who likes to bully people and I'm getting a clue that your pro Ramsey. I would think you would welcome some different opinions not attack them but there I go thinking again.

When your claims have been responded to with factual information you responded by moving the parameters to suggest increasingly fantastical "explanations" to buttress your assertions or ignored any factual information or logical deductions about the implausibilities of what you asserted altogether. I get the clue you're anti Ramsey. I'd think you'd welcome different opinions if you were looking for a discussion or had a desire to learn new information or theories. You could have asked for theories suggesting the family did it. There have to be lots of them. Statistics suggest they should be the most likely suspects purely on the connection to the victim, absent all other evidence.