Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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Come on guys, give Kate a break. She really is trying to give her kids the best that she can. They live in a beautiful home. They go to top-notch schools. Why does everybody try to shame her for this? She is doing her best to keep on providing for them in this fashion. Is there any parent out there who would deliberately choose the lower road for their children? How do you know that filming three days a week was hurting the kids? I never saw it...and don't start yelling about them losing their privacy...by virtue of the fact that there are six of them there will never be privacy...Kate is right... the stories will continue so she needs to control them and at the same time provide for her family...her efforts are a lot less detrimental to the family than those of Jon...personally, I'm going to cast my vote for Kate & 8...
 
I watched the show this evening,
the thing that bothered me the most:
she sort of gasped and said, "how can I go back and be a nurse with 8 kids".
The interviewer should have said, "if you want to make it work-anything is possible."
And, sorry 1 more thing-she still can't admit or say, when they seperated.
She admitted that she realized the marriage was over, while flying in an airplane.

I watched most of the interview this morning...

she says that she can't make ends meet as a nurse ... then she later says she'll do whatever it takes.

what I don't understand, and hope that someone can answer for me... how is it that Kate is a single mom? She isn't. She's a divorced mom, with an involved father... she's not doing this on her own, which is what I think of when I hear the phrase "single mom".
 
She said in her mind it was most of the time

I heard she thinks she is selfless too, it her mind. I call myself selfless all the time, everyone I know thinks I'm selfless, I am the most selfless person on earth. ;)

Maybe if she says it enough we will all believe it too. This is exactly why I dislike Jon less... he is not so delusional about himself. He is awful, but he is does not put on airs, he admits he is awful.
 

I'm curious what she thought she was going to do when she knew she was having sextuplets and didn't have the TLC show yet? Wouldn't they have thought they would have to make it on a nurse's and an IT's salaries?

What she means is she can't live the lifestyle she likes on regular salaries.

Here you go - sell the million dollar house and go back and live in the other house. Take the kids out of the ridiculously expensive private schools and put them in public schools. No more flying out to California for spa days. Harsh, I know, but hey Kate most people DO live that way!

I agree 100%. I've also wondered what she thought they were going to do before they were ever given the show and all the $ that comes along with it.
 
I'm curious what she thought she was going to do when she knew she was having sextuplets and didn't have the TLC show yet? Wouldn't they have thought they would have to make it on a nurse's and an IT's salaries?

What she means is she can't live the lifestyle she likes on regular salaries.

Here you go - sell the million dollar house and go back and live in the other house. Take the kids out of the ridiculously expensive private schools and put them in public schools. No more flying out to California for spa days. Harsh, I know, but hey Kate most people DO live that way!


i've thought this as well, but then kate is on the record saying that she believes that since medical science makes it possible for women to have this many children society is obligated to support them-so maybe her mindset was that if they could'nt support them it was no worry-you, i, and all the other u.s. taxpaying dis'rs would:sad2::mad:

the one thing i would disagree on is the issue with the private school-if she were going to work outside the home such that she required child care until say 6 p.m. m-f, the entirety of those kid's private school tuition might result in a tremendous cost savings. the reason i say this is because with many christian type private schools (not the high end elite but i don't think that's the type the gosselins have used) each additional child in a family receives a discounted tuition, and by you hit the 4th child their tuition can be as much as 50% less than a singleton (with 8 kids you could be paying little more than you were paying for 5). those private schools can have far fewer days off than the public during the traditional school year, and can start and end their school years much earlier and later. then you have the added advantage of before school and afterschool programs that can be pennies per hour as compared to traditional daycare. on top of that you can have summer programs that start one week after regular school ends with only one week between their ending and the school year resuming.

this was a HUGE draw for the private schools in the area we lived in-parents crunched the numbers and found that because before/after school care (and for the days off, breaks) was very expensive they saved money sending their kids the private route. then IF a person was a member of the church that their kid's school was affiliated with they could see an additional huge savings, and they might qualify for substantial additional scholarships so they saved even more.

another advantage of those kids being in a private system is they could conceivably (depending on the school) remain forever on a shared campus-which means no dealing with different school scheduals (like i am this week and beyond-one kid gets out at noon on one campus w-f, one gets out at 12:25 t-f on another b/c of p/t conferences, one gets out at noon the tuesday before thanksgiving, the other at 12:25 the wednesday before thanksgiving, one has a 2 hour late start one day the other does not....) and just having one centralized location for parents or caregivers to pick-up from, communicate to.

i think realisticly in this situation parent(s) need to sit down and crunch numbers-is daycare excessive such that it cancels out what one parent is making at work (and is the cost of working such that you spend more to do it than it results in bringing home???), is private school a necessity b/c of the care/schedual it provides or would you end up financialy ahead with one parent not working such that they would'nt need it? what are our expenses and how can we cut them back-are all the cars needed, can we downsize to less expensive ones? is the benefit of having a large home offset by the cost of maintaining it (and heating it, and paying taxes on it)-or does that size realy not matter b/c none of are ever realy together in it b/c we're always at work, kids are allways in daycare? can we end up saving in the long run by just selling our other home-even at a small loss, OR could we use that in the interim as the house the non custodial parent lives in during their non custodial time? do we REALY need to own a utah time share and pay those monthly maintainance fees and taxes?


i look to the families (large and small) that have had extreeme financial downturns that lived where we used to live and where we live now-i was'nt nescessarily privey to their situations but as an outsider you could see what was going on because they all seemed to follow a familiar pattern that seems absent in the entire gosselin 'poor us' scenario-

first the highend leased vehicals were returned to the dealerships and either not replaced (if they had sufficient cars for the household) or replaced with much less expensive ones,

then the expensive 'toys' were sold off (including the kids atv's which cost them to insure),

then the service staff they used stopped coming (the lawn guy, the pest control, the pool maintainance...), newspapers stopped getting delivered (they used the internet),

then the kids stopped doing the costly extracurriculars, mom's nails showed no more salon trips or a more 'home styled' maintainace standard,

as the kids were getting bigger and outgrowing things there was a marked absence of the brand name logos on their clothes (still well clothed just not the expensive brands),

you did'nt see mom with shopping bags from whole earth or the other trendy higher end grocery stores-she was still shopping but at the more mainstream less expensive places,

definatly did'nt see the sitter there anymore during the hours mom/dad were traditionaly off work but tended to do their own extracurriculars/errands that were easier w/o the kids.

the second to the last step was usualy a large garage sale with the non essentials being sold off, the last was a real estate sign on the front lawn.


the gosselins seem to continue aquiring or planning to aquire consumer goods absolutly of no neccessity to the support of their children (atvs as bday gifts, diamond rings to replace wedding rings, rental properties for adults who have an entirely vacant home at their disposal). if they are able to do this or perceive they can then there is nothing occuring income wise that could endanger the current support of those kids-and if they are worried about the future they could be proactive and address it NOW; the money they save today could go a long way in providing for the many tomorrows.
 
Jon tweeted this morning....

Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing.


6 little morsels???
 
Jon tweeted this morning....

Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing.


6 little morsels???
I thought he wanted to repair his relationship with Kate. Why does he tweet about her at all then? Some moral compass! It appears to only work when he wants it to. :rolleyes:
 
I just have to say on the Kate working issue...come on...lets get real here. If she can continue to get paid by TLC for tv work...even perhaps on her own and bring in a million dollars a year....

would any of you really give that up to work 60 hrs a week as a nurse making 60k (not sure how much just guessing) a year???? She can make 60k in a month with appearances and such.

I would think any of us would take the money and provide our families with a better life. private school, nice house, trips. why not??? besides what is so different than those of you who have decent jobs and a life in your home...would you give that up to go work at 7-11 as a cashier??? no you would try to maintain the life you have now. Her life is just on a different level.

would you all be happy if she really went back to nursing f/t and had to pay people to watch the kdis and lived in a trailer or something??? the other house was pricey too.

Life costs a lot. I am not saying I would make the choices Kate has but really there is no going back and she does need to make money to maintain the life these kids have had for 4-5 yrs now and who cares if she LIKES having nice house and things. we all do :rolleyes1

We all work to attain a better life....what ever that is for each person.
So why argue all day about her goign back to work in the reg world...its not going to happen. ;) besides she could write a tell all book before things got too bad :laughing:
 
because I'm in a less grouchy mood today ... I do have something positive to say about the interview ...

Kate did give a good answer when she was asked if she empathizes with Jon as a young dad of a lot of kids.
 
I watched most of the interview this morning...

she says that she can't make ends meet as a nurse ... then she later says she'll do whatever it takes.

what I don't understand, and hope that someone can answer for me... how is it that Kate is a single mom? She isn't. She's a divorced mom, with an involved father... she's not doing this on her own, which is what I think of when I hear the phrase "single mom".


i think it's kate's nature to see herself as this way.

when the show began we constantly heard her say that 'one person alone' could'nt care for the kids and she used that to justify jon quitting his job and being home with her-but then little by little it's come out that despite their claims that they had sent all the volunteers away there was still a presence-it might be with laundry help, it might be with some intermittant childcare but it still (in my mind) contributed to the care of the kids-i don't know that kate saw it that way though because she still seemed to focus on the 'we are doing this all alone' mantra.

she's also the kind of person that appears to be an 'all or nothing' type-it just seems that unless a person is 100% totaly on board with doing what she either wants them to do or feels they are obligated to do for her/kids then there's no middle ground for compromise and it's a total shut out. we heard her say over and over that certain members of the family did'nt want to participate in filming, but then we never heard any mention of interaction with these family members (and it would be normal if it was truly a 'reality' show of their lives for there to be a mention around the holidays of 'we got together with x and y last week', or 'we're doing catch up work this weekend b/c the kids spent last weekend playing with their cousins'-you never heard one of those kids chattering away about how they were going to go see this relative or that, how they had played with this friend or that-just seems so out of the norm esp. with younger kids who thrive on talking about this stuff). so for me it looked like she choose a very isolated family existence.

we've seen 'friends' periodically on the show and the friendships seemed very intense as compared to ones i've experienced (going to beth/bob's EVERY week for dinner, multiple mentions of beth in every episode and what they were doing together, how beth was watching the kids for them, how attached the kids were to them)-then *poof*, no mention of them, no references to them, it was like they were erased from their lives.

i have to wonder if kate is like a family member i have-he gets what he perceives as a slight or someone unknowingly/unintentionaly does something that somehow does'nt sit right right with him, and it's over. literaly decades of a relationship extinguished without a word. he has always perceived himself as alone despite what others did for him or were willing to-just his mind set and nothing will ever convince him otherwise.

so since 'jon' is'nt on 'team kate' it's conceivable to me that no matter what he may demonstrate as financial and emotional support to her and the kids she will always perceive herself as those kid's 'single parent'.
 
I just have to say on the Kate working issue...come on...lets get real here. If she can continue to get paid by TLC for tv work...even perhaps on her own and bring in a million dollars a year....

would any of you really give that up to work 60 hrs a week as a nurse making 60k (not sure how much just guessing) a year???? She can make 60k in a month with appearances and such.

I would think any of us would take the money and provide our families with a better life. private school, nice house, trips. why not??? besides what is so different than those of you who have decent jobs and a life in your home...would you give that up to go work at 7-11 as a cashier??? no you would try to maintain the life you have now. Her life is just on a different level.

would you all be happy if she really went back to nursing f/t and had to pay people to watch the kdis and lived in a trailer or something??? the other house was pricey too.

Life costs a lot. I am not saying I would make the choices Kate has but really there is no going back and she does need to make money to maintain the life these kids have had for 4-5 yrs now and who cares if she LIKES having nice house and things. we all do :rolleyes1

We all work to attain a better life....what ever that is for each person.
So why argue all day about her goign back to work in the reg world...its not going to happen. ;) besides she could write a tell all book before things got too bad :laughing:


Exactly! :thumbsup2
 
I watched most of the interview this morning...

she says that she can't make ends meet as a nurse ... then she later says she'll do whatever it takes.

what I don't understand, and hope that someone can answer for me... how is it that Kate is a single mom? She isn't. She's a divorced mom, with an involved father... she's not doing this on her own, which is what I think of when I hear the phrase "single mom".

I hope she means that she will work as a nurse if she has to. I also assume with the bills she has now, that they won't be able to be paid, so unless they sell one of the houses, get inexpensive apartments when not at the kids' house and scale way down, I could see them quickly slipping into debt. So, yes, a lot may have to change for the kids (their biggest change would prob be the school they attend)..especially if Jon is not working and helping with the bills. If TLC is no longer paying them, the income coming in would be from her speeches. I don't know if Jon is getting paid for whatever it is he does and if he is adding money to the checking account. At $15,000 a month, they may have a lot of money right now, but just like with many other celebs, it will quickly fade, and it will be as if they never had a show and savings.

Kate is a single mom and Jon is a single dad. Divorced, widowed, whatever. They are both (or will be shortly) single. I wonder who does the house management, makes doctor appointments, arranges speech therapy (if the two boys still get it), school open houses, grocery and meal planning, gardener and all the rest of the stuff that a house takes..she said she pays out the bills..I wonder if Jon has a part in this.

I thought that Kate was talking about early nursing care for the babies, when she gave that tirade about the government taking care of multiple births? Not that I agree, but I didn't think it was about welfare for the family. I don't think they were ever on welfare, even before the show started.
 
You'd be surprised.

I'm not sure if we ever heard that she was not a good nurse, have we?

You're right -- she may have been an excellent nurse. The fact that she apparently didn't get along with all of her co-workers really wouldn't make much difference in her aptitude.

I honestly don't remember, and don't have the interest to rewatch it to find out..but did she say most of the time, or more than Jon?

She said she was with the children the majority of the time, and Jon was with them sometimes.

But she also said that she and Jon don't have a formal custody agreement -- they take turns with custody to cover each others' commitments (but we already know that hasn't been working well all of the time)


ITA with Z on his review of the interview. Same as all of the others, just a nicer set. And a very, very serious tone throughout.

And I'm sure Jon will also work 12 hours on his off days, and they will share the cost of the house.

Of course, if Kate is working per diem, so she can work on her schedule (if the local hospital even has that available), getting health insurance might be a problem. And of course, I assume, just like hospitals around here, if soemone doesn't show up on the next shift, Kate would need to have a plan in mind (or Jon always available) to stay with the kids until she can leave work. Hopefully, whatever job Jon gets will have health insurance.
If they do downsize, it will be tougher for the kids to stay in the house and J & K switch places like they do now (in a smaller house). So one of them would have to have physical custody and a house, and each of them have a place that could fit all the kids when they have custody days. Hmm..I assume they would share the large van so they can get the kids to each house. So, that's at least three insured vehicles. So much easier to figure it out from my comfortable chair at home. I'm thinking not so easy for them to figure it out.

It's the outside help that is the deal breaker IMO -- if it's not covered by TLC, they will be paying at least 3 full-time salaries.

As for health insurance, I can't imagine they're covered by anyone now -- likely they already buy their own. The big house is a huge cost -- they could more than pay off their old house with the equity they have in the new house.

Having said all this, if they both agreed to let the kids stop filming, I'm sure they would find a way to make it work. The real problem is that Kate doesn't want the show to stop so why would she consider any other alternative to the lifestyle she has now?
 
I just have to say on the Kate working issue...come on...lets get real here. If she can continue to get paid by TLC for tv work...even perhaps on her own and bring in a million dollars a year....

would any of you really give that up to work 60 hrs a week as a nurse making 60k (not sure how much just guessing) a year???? She can make 60k in a month with appearances and such.

I would think any of us would take the money and provide our families with a better life. private school, nice house, trips. why not??? besides what is so different than those of you who have decent jobs and a life in your home...would you give that up to go work at 7-11 as a cashier??? no you would try to maintain the life you have now. Her life is just on a different level.

would you all be happy if she really went back to nursing f/t and had to pay people to watch the kdis and lived in a trailer or something??? the other house was pricey too.

Life costs a lot. I am not saying I would make the choices Kate has but really there is no going back and she does need to make money to maintain the life these kids have had for 4-5 yrs now and who cares if she LIKES having nice house and things. we all do :rolleyes1

We all work to attain a better life....what ever that is for each person.
So why argue all day about her goign back to work in the reg world...its not going to happen. ;) besides she could write a tell all book before things got too bad :laughing:

Finally...somebody on the this board agrees with me...:cool1::thumbsup2
 
Jon tweeted this morning....

Got up early this morning took Mady and Cara to the bus, Came home to then hug my other 6 little morsels.

I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE'S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she "didn't remember" who called it quits.. Hey at least she said "didn't remember" instead of lieing.


6 little morsels???

Forgive me, since I've never tweeted, but I thought you were limited to 140 characters? Even if the first one about his morsels (:)) is counted as a separate tweet, that last one seems really long.
 
I just have to say on the Kate working issue...come on...lets get real here. If she can continue to get paid by TLC for tv work...even perhaps on her own and bring in a million dollars a year....

would any of you really give that up to work 60 hrs a week as a nurse making 60k (not sure how much just guessing) a year???? She can make 60k in a month with appearances and such.

I would think any of us would take the money and provide our families with a better life. private school, nice house, trips. why not??? besides what is so different than those of you who have decent jobs and a life in your home...would you give that up to go work at 7-11 as a cashier??? no you would try to maintain the life you have now. Her life is just on a different level.

would you all be happy if she really went back to nursing f/t and had to pay people to watch the kdis and lived in a trailer or something??? the other house was pricey too.

Life costs a lot. I am not saying I would make the choices Kate has but really there is no going back and she does need to make money to maintain the life these kids have had for 4-5 yrs now and who cares if she LIKES having nice house and things. we all do :rolleyes1

We all work to attain a better life....what ever that is for each person.
So why argue all day about her goign back to work in the reg world...its not going to happen. ;) besides she could write a tell all book before things got too bad :laughing:

It's not the job. It's the refusal to admit that they are other ways to live than being on a TV show for large families. If they are not on TV they would not live in a box. There are ways to make it work, Kate does just not want to give up the life to which working her children has accustomed her to.

I do think Kate will cease to exist without a camera on her but her kids most certainly do not deserve life handed to them on a 'golden platter'. :rolleyes:

No one does.
 
The kids have a father. It isn't like she is a widow. She is divorced. Jon took care of the kids alone for many months before they hired help, he could do it again.

Isn't this where all the problems started? Kate was out doing the book stuff and Jon was taking care of the kids...not alone, they both said he had help when Kate was gone...and Jon didn't like it. Seems like this was when he started hitting the bars and whining about losing his twenties
 
I just have to say on the Kate working issue...come on...lets get real here. If she can continue to get paid by TLC for tv work...even perhaps on her own and bring in a million dollars a year....

would any of you really give that up to work 60 hrs a week as a nurse making 60k (not sure how much just guessing) a year???? She can make 60k in a month with appearances and such.

I would think any of us would take the money and provide our families with a better life. private school, nice house, trips. why not??? besides what is so different than those of you who have decent jobs and a life in your home...would you give that up to go work at 7-11 as a cashier??? no you would try to maintain the life you have now. Her life is just on a different level.

would you all be happy if she really went back to nursing f/t and had to pay people to watch the kdis and lived in a trailer or something??? the other house was pricey too.

Life costs a lot. I am not saying I would make the choices Kate has but really there is no going back and she does need to make money to maintain the life these kids have had for 4-5 yrs now and who cares if she LIKES having nice house and things. we all do :rolleyes1

We all work to attain a better life....what ever that is for each person.
So why argue all day about her goign back to work in the reg world...its not going to happen. ;) besides she could write a tell all book before things got too bad :laughing:


weather i liked it or not if circumstances were such that working at 7-11 was the only means of providing for my children i would do it-any income is superior to no income. children are not fed, clothed and housed on the good intentions or un-compensated career aspirations of any parent.

the gosselins despite periods of one parent moderate income employment and both being unemployed (and never finding it necessary to even apply for cash aide/foodstamps) prior to tlc stepping into the picture were never in what most would consider a dire financial situation. with what they have seemingly amassed to date it would be hard to fathom that IF THEY CHOOSE to return to their previous standard of living they would'nt be fine.


i don't know that i would consider a child's life bettered if their parent's job choice required private security to ensure their safety, involved paparzzi invading every moment of their lives, required measures at their school and house of worship to protect their welfare, and entailed the most intimate details of their private lives being splashed on the covers of newspapers, magazines and 24/7 television and internet.

the idea of kate or jon writing a 'tell all' book is vile and disgusting to me-no child needs to be privey to the intimate dirty details of the dissolution of their parent's marriage, and how their births played a key part in the stressors and financial demands that led up to it. that either parent would detail this out in print for financial gain or noteriety would indicate to me that these children's welfare is the last consideration in either of those parent's minds.
 
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