Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I didn't say she did anything to Jon -- I said no matter what Kate did it was somehow all Jon's fault. And I don't agree with that opinion.

Do you seriously think there was any chance they were going to get back together after Kate filed for divorce.

It's always possible, but it really depends on the parties and their willingness to reconcile. It's only impossible if either party chooses to make it so.

Until the divorce is finalized--it is always possible.

I recall the movie "Fools Rush In". This was based on a true story--and *spoiler alert*, the divorce became final when it went uncontested and the parties were indeed divorce. However, they did remarry and of course went on to write a movie about it.

I have no idea their current status as it is irrelevant in terms of what we are discussing. And that is--it ain't over....until it's over...and even then....that depends.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm sad Jon didn't go back to PA for Nana Janet's funeral. I hope Kate went. If someone is close enough for your children to call them Nana, you go to their funeral.

I don't think it fair to hold anyone to any standard of what they should and should not do when someone passes.

While one maybe "should" do something--there is no obligation and it isn't up to us to dictate.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wonder if he were really being honest would he say that he was better off now than he was this time last year? Did getting rid of Kate and the show make everything all better in his life? Could he stand there and say that his actions of late were all done "for the children"? He has become the laughing stock of the world. He has shamed and disgraced himself and his family and that won't go away or be forgotten. I'm also afraid that in his "hate for Kate" he has probably damaged her so much that she won't be able to get a decent job...even as a nurse...I hope that Jon and Kevin and Jodi (and I won't mention the others in this terrible mess as they are all just there for the brush with fame that it could bring them) are all happy now...the Gosselins truly stand to lose it all....and like it or not this will not be good for the kids...

I would say it reallly depends.

If there was volatility in the marraige off camera, he may indeed feel he is better off. To him--being out of the relationship would make him better off.

(I'm speaking in presumption/assumption of why he might have said that. I don't really know for sure and obviously can't speak for him.)

 

[talulabelle]

I wonder if he were really being honest would he say that he was better off now than he was this time last year? Did getting rid of Kate and the show make everything all better in his life? Could he stand there and say that his actions of late were all done "for the children"? He has become the laughing stock of the world. He has shamed and disgraced himself and his family and that won't go away or be forgotten. I'm also afraid that in his "hate for Kate" he has probably damaged her so much that she won't be able to get a decent job...even as a nurse...I hope that Jon and Kevin and Jodi (and I won't mention the others in this terrible mess as they are all just there for the brush with fame that it could bring them) are all happy now...the Gosselins truly stand to lose it all....and like it or not this will not be good for the kids...

You're afraid that Jon has damaged Kate to the point she won't be able to get a decent job? You don't think Kate has done any damage to herself?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

"I don't want to ruin things with Hailey like I did with Kate. We just need to slow things down."

Hmmm....that's an interesting confession.

If Kate was so evil--why would Jon confess that he doesn't want to ruin his current relationship like he did with Kate?

 

[madge]

Hmmm....that's an interesting confession.

If Kate was so evil--why would Jon confess that he doesn't want to ruin his current relationship like he did with Kate?

maybe he means in the media spotlight, in general?

I'm not sure there's a hidden confession in there.... but there may be, who knows? I think Jon is just dim and has spent the last 6-8 months listening to whoever is giving him advice... and that was probably something someone said to him right before he gave his statement.

 

[DMRick]

Flowers would be nice. But you are right..they don't need either of them there.

re. the funeral-if i were a member of her family i probably would have requested they not attend. noone mourning the passing of a loved one needs the media circus that follows both of them whereever they travel.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

maybe he means in the media spotlight, in general?

I'm not sure there's a hidden confession in there.... but there may be, who knows? I think Jon is just dim and has spent the last 6-8 months listening to whoever is giving him advice... and that was probably something someone said to him right before he gave his statement.

I would have presumed he was referring to his "marital relationship".

I mean--does anyone really compare romantic relationships with friendships?

Maybe he did...

 

[kidshop]

I would have presumed he was referring to his "marital relationship".

I mean--does anyone really compare romantic relationships with friendships?

Maybe he did...

Yeah, I think so. It said he wants Kate to forgive him for his actions the last few months. (taking the money, associating with toxic people, and dating extremely publicly before the divorce is final). He seems to fail at everything he does, but he does try to make it right again. I think the marriage has been over so long for him, it's not in his thought process anymore. The public perception is still that this ended in June, and an affair with Hailey caused Jon to leave Kate.

 

[DMRick]

Maybe Kate could play herself in the movie:

http://www.popeater.com/2009/10/30/jon-and-kate-plus-8-movie/

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Maybe Kate could play herself in the movie:

http://www.popeater.com/2009/10/30/jon-and-kate-plus-8-movie/

I doubt it--the movie would be much more scintillating as an unauthorized biolgraphy and noway would Kate willingly portray herself in a movie that purposes to make her look "Bad".



I remember when they made the movie about hte Dilley sextuplets. The couple was very excited that real life soap opera stars and husband and wife portrayed them. (Melissa Reeves from DAys of our Lives and Scott Reeves--though I Don't know what soap he was on.) They got a big kick out of that.

 

[wdwmom0f3]

I wonder if he were really being honest would he say that he was better off now than he was this time last year? Did getting rid of Kate and the show make everything all better in his life? Could he stand there and say that his actions of late were all done "for the children"? He has become the laughing stock of the world. He has shamed and disgraced himself and his family and that won't go away or be forgotten. I'm also afraid that in his "hate for Kate" he has probably damaged her so much that she won't be able to get a decent job...even as a nurse...I hope that Jon and Kevin and Jodi (and I won't mention the others in this terrible mess as they are all just there for the brush with fame that it could bring them) are all happy now...the Gosselins truly stand to lose it all....and like it or not this will not be good for the kids...

Who knows what that man is thinking? I felt sorry for him last year because I truly thought he wanted away from the show and from everyone being up in his business all of the time. That is what he said, that is NOT what he has done. He loves the attention and he loves the fame and money. He is wanting another show, right? Just a show with out Kate and one that he can party on.

 

[barkley]

i don't have much hope it will happen but i would like to see jon totaly uninvolved with anyone for a significant period of time.

he is just one of those guys who strikes me as the type that kind of morphs/defaults into whatever it is that his girlfriend/wife/s.o. is into (or wants him to be). kate has said stuff in the past about how she changed him from kind of a wild style guy into what she wanted for a husband (when they showed the old videos of them early in their marriage it made me think of 'breakfast club' and the molly ringwald character hooking up with the judd neilson one. kate with the poofy bubblegum pop kind of look, jon with a bit edgier but tamed down edgie look), jon's complained that he changed into something he was'nt during the course of the show, then he hooks up with haley and his demeanor and manner of dress changes yet again.

i think he needs to figure himself out and get comfortable in his own skin before he can be sucessful in an adult relationship (and sorry dude but haley is such the poster child for 'mid life crisis low end pick up dating'-she's just managed to hang around longer than most of this type).

i'de love to know what his relationship history was like pre-kate. we know he hooked up with kate while he was still dating someone else so he's obviously not had an excellent track record with fidelity. gotta wonder if he's one of the guys who could'nt man up enuf to end a relationship on his own-and would hook up with another girl knowing it would end it-badly but quckly. could be that's been what he's tried to do to hayley via these other women but i think in her case she's going to be hard to shake (i honest to god would'nt be surprised if once the divorce is final to hear he's run off and married someone that he's just met and hayley will only know she's been dumped when one of the tabloids calls her to ask her reaction to it).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

he is just one of those guys who strikes me as the type that kind of morphs/defaults into whatever it is that his girlfriend/wife/s.o. is into (or wants him to be).

My mom does this.

Though I'm only old enough to know how she morphed for husband #4 and #5.

#4, she morphed into a redneck lovin', pickup truck lovin', stock car racing & home remodeling junkie. Complete with favorite race car drivers and everything and attending auto races and camping in the infield.

#5, she moprhed into "biker babe" and football fan.

I'm sure she enjoys the interests that she has--but when a relationship ends, those interest that existsed b/c of the partner, get dropped in favor of what the next partner enjoys.

 

[barkley]

I doubt it--the movie would be much more scintillating as an unauthorized biolgraphy and noway would Kate willingly portray herself in a movie that purposes to make her look "Bad".



I remember when they made the movie about hte Dilley sextuplets. The couple was very excited that real life soap opera stars and husband and wife portrayed them. (Melissa Reeves from DAys of our Lives and Scott Reeves--though I Don't know what soap he was on.) They got a big kick out of that.

but then did'nt they (and the rest of the family) get upset at the way the maternal grandmother was portrayed? i saw that movie a year or so ago for the first time and i have to say it was'nt terribly flattering to either grandmother (but esp. the mom's mom).

 

[redrosesix]

re. the funeral-if i were a member of her family i probably would have requested they not attend. noone mourning the passing of a loved one needs the media circus that follows both of them whereever they travel.

Ohh, yes. None of that circus would be happening at a funeral of one of my family members.

Flowers would be nice. But you are right..they don't need either of them there.

I agree (again ) Flowers, one from each of the kids The most important thing is that they express their condolescences, in whatever way is respectful of the family.

Hailey & that school teacher were in the picture before she filed. There is a mandatory waiting period before the divorce can be final for a reason. It is not over to its over.

How did she shame him?

I don't have the energy to argue with the first part of your post anymore -- nobody except Deanna's drug dealer brother has said that Jon was dating before Kate filed for divorce.

I feel she shamed him because, despite what they had scripted to tell the public on the divorce announcement show, she filed for divorce the day that it aired, stating that it was necessary to protect herself and her kids from Jon, and had already done an article for People basically blaming him for everything. Not only did both offer plenty of cricitism of his character, he looked pretty stupid not knowing that those things would take place when he did the taping for the show.

Of course, it didn't help that TLC then imposed a 45 day gag order (funny how Kate's People article got out before that was done ) so that no other version of what was happening could be put out there.

Yeah, I think so. It said he wants Kate to forgive him for his actions the last few months. (taking the money, associating with toxic people, and dating extremely publicly before the divorce is final). He seems to fail at everything he does, but he does try to make it right again. I think the marriage has been over so long for him, it's not in his thought process anymore. The public perception is still that this ended in June, and an affair with Hailey caused Jon to leave Kate.

I think you're absolutely right about this, the rest too.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

but then did'nt they (and the rest of the family) get upset at the way the maternal grandmother was portrayed? i saw that movie a year or so ago for the first time and i have to say it was'nt terribly flattering to either grandmother (but esp. the mom's mom).

I don't know--I was only bringing it up to say that she didn't play herself and their portrayal of them as a couple was flattering. In the particular interview I had watched, it may have been before the screened it. They never mentioned the portrayals of the grandma's.

I do recall in interviews also--that they felt the grandma's to be overbearing.

 

[madge]

I would have presumed he was referring to his "marital relationship".

I mean--does anyone really compare romantic relationships with friendships?

Maybe he did...

Honestly, I have no idea.

As one would expect, there is a media circus surrounding Jon's comments from last night and Kate's show tonight. I can't even begin to keep up with it today, nor do I really want to. It's all just words. blah, blah, blah ... same, same, same.

 

[redrosesix]

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/11/80392/

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Jon Gosselin sat down Sunday night at West Side Synagogue in New York. The two discussed "The Ethical Challenges and Moral Responsibility of Celebrity," according to This World, the hosting organization.

ET spoke to the two keynote speakers after the event. Rabbi Shmuley explained why he and Jon used this platform to spread their message. He said, "For Jon Gosselin to courageously and boldly take responsibility for his actions and admit that many of them contravene many [facets] of his own internal value system and to apologize for them was not only courageous, it was phenomenal progress and I hope that it will inspire other husbands in the same situation to do the same thing."

The spiritual advisor said, "When you have eight children, they require a lot of time at the best of times. And if they're going through some of the worst of times, I think that the kids really need that priority."

Jon wanted to come forth to let people know that "I'm a human being and I'm not to be treated as a character ... I want to let the world know that I am going to change, but my actions will speak louder than words."

The dad of eight felt it "was the righteous thing to do" to come clean. He found the experience "seemed to open up the doors to my emotions, which is a rarity because I don't talk about my emotions too much."

Jon made his relationship status with Hailey Glassman clear, saying, "We're going on a break, but we still talk to each other every single day ... We will always be best friends, but we're just going on a break to settle things in our families' lives." Watch ET Monday night to hear what Hailey has to say about their tumultuous romance.
Posted November 02, 2009 5:16:00 AM

 

[barkley]

i wonder if kate (and tlc and whomever else is in her corner) did'nt take a page from debbie reynolds and her p.r. machine in handling this whole situation.

when eddie fisher hooked up with elizabeth taylor the whole world was treated to debbie reynolds being portrayed as the poor, betrayed wife-left at home to support the children while eddie and liz lived a wild life. eddie fisher was drug through the mud to the extent it pretty much ruined his career.

decades later it was revealed that fisher and reynolds had been living a sham marriage for a LONG time, and that it was only by virtue of an unplanned additional child AND pressure (including financial) from their studios that wanted to continue cashing in on their 'perfect all american couple/family' schtick that they had carried on the charade as long as they did. both had outside the marriage relationships but when fisher's with liz taylor could'nt escape the media finding out the studios decided to cut their losses and salvage what they could-so they opted to go with debbie reynolds and make her look the absolute innocent party.

now eddie fisher was no winner, and jon's got his issues-but i don't think it would be far fetched at all to believe it is as jon has said from day one, that the marriage was essentialy over but kate and tlc wanted to continue marketing it and the family so it continued for a period of time-jon might have even agreed to it, but when he got caught bar hopping and hanging out with women other than his wife tlc decided to try and salvage the franchise by bolstering kate's image and completly trashing jon's (though he does help them quite a bit). the timing of the divorce, the people article (obviously done ahead of kate's supposed decision to file but held for release), the softening of kate's image and more episodes that flatter her in the 'mother/protector' role-it's just too scripted.