Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[C.Ann]

I thought she had locks on the bedroom door.

Must have been cranky after having nobody show up at her booth the other day. Accusing a person of doing something that hasn't even been done yet? This is ridiculous -- there are so many people in that house, including the 8 kids, that there is no way of knowing who took it even if she had accidentally left the door unlocked.

And what could be in her diary that we haven't already heard about from one side or the other.

I agree with your take on this.. Considering Kate's so organized and such a control freak, I find it extremely difficult to believe that she just left her diary laying around on her nightstand.. Please! She "asked" the kids and they said "no" - so we're 100% sure that it was Jon?? Shoot - I keep my own extremely boring journals, but I don't just leave them lying all over the place.. They're private - so they're kept in a private location..

If true and he did steal it (not saying he did just commenting on the possibility)--

that would make him a disgusting pig not worthy of sympathy ever again.

How can one be a good father and due something so cruel to his children's mother????

I just can't imagine.


I hope it isn't true--but then....where's the diary if Kate cannot find it?

It doesnt' matter what is in the diary--but noone should ever steal someone's private thoughts.

I live my life a pretty open book, but the things I have written down are for therapy and not meant to be published. It would be humiliating.

A "disgusting pig" with no proof to back up this "story"? Yes - you said "if", but whenever Jon is accused of doing anything at all he is automatically "guilty until proven innocent".. There is always the "possibility" - which rarely seems to be the case when the tables are turned..

Why does this never apply to Kate? Seriously.. No one believes that she is having an affair with her body guard, because there's no "proof" (not even the mention of a "possibility") - well, where is the "proof" that Jon stole this diary and plans on publishing it??

Although I'm quoting you, this is more about the "general" you's.. I used your post as an example because it was the first one I saw that kind of leans towards the mind set that I have mentioned above.. Nothing personal..

 

[madge]

That brings an interesting thought to my mind....

While I don't justify Kate's behavior towards Jon in that it was "right" or "correct" for her to do what she did, I could kind of understand it b/c Jon's demeaner had suggested a level of immaturity (in my observations, others may disagree) and that surely can get frustrating for a partner who may not understand those differences.


The thought that I had--well Jon has several years and more life experience than Hailey--perhaps in their relationship, she is behaving with a level of immaturity that Jon doesn't get.

Almost sounds like--his mantrums with Hailey, may be like Kate's tantrums with Jon.

I NEVER thought Kate "abused" Jon in the true sense of abuse. I think the term was used in a watered down manner to describe Kate's mean reactions to her husband. Some people are less patient than others--by a little...or by a landslide.

What I think we may have just witnessed (or heard about ) a role reversal for Jon. He is now reacting to Hailey as Kate did to him. At least that is what it sounds like.

(and for some to suggest it is learned--usually it is youth victims of abuse who "learn" to abuse later in life. It is not usually an adult who then takes it out on another adult.)

It truly is a shame--but I just found that very interesting.

that is very interesting!

 

[madge]

watching Ellen ... Kate is coming on now ...

 

[redrosesix]

Can you explain what you meant then?

Simply this -- I'm quite sure we haven't heard about everything that happened to end the marriage (either in Oct. or when Kate filed for divorce), who thought who was having an affair, how the kids REALLY are handling everything. Yes, they yap a lot to the press, but I'm sure there are a lot of things that haven't been said. And then it's also been posted time and time again that J & K have dirt on each other that they haven't talked about.

Soooo...I do wonder what would be in her diary that hasn't already been said by one side or the other.

Actually, the more I think about it, I don't want to know. TMI!

 

[madge]

OMG ... Ellen doesn't know anything about the JK8 story and Kate is her guest. I find that kind of funny.

When did the reason for the show become collecting memories for the children? Has it always been that way? (curious about that, not snarky)

We must go forward, we can't go back (drink #1! LOL!)

The show has been positive for her and the kids (drink #2)

The interview was edited. It was a little choppy in spots.... which has nothing to do with anything. Just an observation.

Hypocrytical to be sitting on a talk show complaining about your spouse talking and claiming that you're the one keeping your mouth shut and home making dinner.

 

[redrosesix]

OMG ... Ellen doesn't know anything about the JK8 story and Kate is her guest. I find that kind of funny.

When did the reason for the show become collecting memories for the children? Has it always been that way?

We must go forward, we can't go back (drink #1! LOL!)

The show has been positive for her and the kids (drink #2)

The interview was edited. It was a little choppy in spots.

Hypocrytical to be sitting on a talk show complaining about your spouse talking and claiming that you're the one keeping your mouth shut and home making dinner.

My thoughts exactly.

I actually got stuck on that when I first viewed the video on the Ellen website, so I had to go back and re-watch it so I could see what I missed.

 

[C.Ann]

I gave the accusations against Jon about as much credence as him saying Kate had taken his wedding ring. Without video footage, there is no way of knowing.

And then there's always the "source" to be considered..

OMG ... Ellen doesn't know anything about the JK8 story and Kate is her guest. I find that kind of funny.

When did the reason for the show become collecting memories for the children? Has it always been that way? (curious about that, not snarky)

We must go forward, we can't go back (drink #1! LOL!)

The show has been positive for her and the kids (drink #2)

The interview was edited. It was a little choppy in spots.... which has nothing to do with anything. Just an observation.

Hypocrytical to be sitting on a talk show complaining about your spouse talking and claiming that you're the one keeping your mouth shut and home making dinner.

Didn't watch this, but my DD and DGD watch it every day.. I'm sure my DD will have something to say to me about it later on.. LOL

DGD was over Kate a long time ago - wanted to know if she ever does anything except whine.. Yes - even 11 yr. olds notice..

 

[madge]

there was a part 2 to the interview... but it was as unremarkable as the first half. Ellen didn't know anything about Kate, asked a few questions, Kate answered them... ho hum. From what I had already read about it, I wasn't exactly sure what to expect... but it was as I thought earlier: same, same, same. LOL

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

OMG ... Ellen doesn't know anything about the JK8 story and Kate is her guest. I find that kind of funny.

When did the reason for the show become collecting memories for the children? Has it always been that way? (curious about that, not snarky)

Sort of. In the beginning they said they liked to vidoe tape a lot and did so with the twins. They didn't have time with the sextuplets (so to speak--my 3rd is barely documented, so I kind of believe them on that one. ). And agreed to do the show so that they would be able to document the sextuplets when they ordinarily could not.

So--sort of, yes the show was about collecting memories (via taping the kids moments).

Of course it evolved into an lucrative revenue stream for the family. (the lawsuit indicates that based on the popularity of the show, they did negotiate for more money. I don't think we are privvy to what they were paid originally though.)

 

[DMRick]

It would all be so much guessing. We could have easily said that maybe what Hailey is seeing is what Kate put up for for years, but Jon was able to hide it during taping. Maybe Kate didn't hide how she treated him back.

Not at all saying that that is how or why she treated him with so little respect, but if we are guessing, that could be another guess.

Right now, on the Roloff's, TLC could easily start showing Amy as a complaining wife...if we didn't see what she is dealing with. Just show her husband when he's at his best, and show Amy when she's complaining about and to him. Viola..the newest K & J show.

Just sayin...it's so easy because of editing to make it whatever TLC and the rag mags say. They may have left out a lot of what Hailey said (am I actually sticking up for Hailey?) She may have said, because Kate abused Jon, Jon is afraid that if he says anything harsh, he is abusing me. And it was posted to say, Jon is abusing me.

That brings an interesting thought to my mind....

While I don't justify Kate's behavior towards Jon in that it was "right" or "correct" for her to do what she did, I could kind of understand it b/c Jon's demeaner had suggested a level of immaturity (in my observations, others may disagree) and that surely can get frustrating for a partner who may not understand those differences.


The thought that I had--well Jon has several years and more life experience than Hailey--perhaps in their relationship, she is behaving with a level of immaturity that Jon doesn't get.

Almost sounds like--his mantrums with Hailey, may be like Kate's tantrums with Jon.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And then there's always the "source" to be considered..

True--but she also accused him of taking money--which the judge agreed he did. (people don't usually have to return what is rightfully theirs.)

Likely we'll never know what happened to the diary as there really isn't a paper trail to find out.

But I'm not one to believe that it was a fabricated accusation just for the sake of making it up.

Like all else--innocent until proven guilty. We can't prove Jon took it, but we can't prove that Kate is lying about it either.

 

[madge]

Sort of. In the beginning they said they liked to vidoe tape a lot and did so with the twins. They didn't have time with the sextuplets (so to speak--my 3rd is barely documented, so I kind of believe them on that one. ). And agreed to do the show so that they would be able to document the sextuplets when they ordinarily could not.

So--sort of, yes the show was about collecting memories (via taping the kids moments).

Of course it evolved into an lucrative revenue stream for the family. (the lawsuit indicates that based on the popularity of the show, they did negotiate for more money. I don't think we are privvy to what they were paid originally though.)

now that you mention it, I think I do have some vague recollection of Kate mentioning memories on the show... I just always thought their reasoning was the money. That's what they've said as the reason more than anything else, isn't it?

funny thing about kids & pictures. I have 3 kids... ironically, it's my 3rd child that has the most pictures because I started taking photography classes when she was little. but I totally get having less _____ (take your pic) of the 3rd child than the first two. LOL

 

[PixieDust32]

Just watched Kate on Ellen, wow! All those magazines!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It would all be so much guessing. We could have easily said that maybe what Hailey is seeing is what Kate put up for for years, but Jon was able to hide it during taping. Maybe Kate didn't hide how she treated him back.

Not at all saying that that is how or why she treated him with so little respect, but if we are guessing, that could be another guess.

Right now, on the Roloff's, TLC could easily start showing Amy as a complaining wife...if we didn't see what she is dealing with. Just show her husband when he's at his best, and show Amy when she's complaining about and to him. Viola..the newest K & J show.

Just sayin...it's so easy because of editing to make it whatever TLC and the rag mags say. They may have left out a lot of what Hailey said (am I actually sticking up for Hailey?) She may have said, because Kate abused Jon, Jon is afraid that if he says anything harsh, he is abusing me. And it was posted to say, Jon is abusing me.

Unless she request a retraction for what she told them, we can only go by the published words.

She said, Jon is emotionally abusive.

I know tabloids will get very twisty with words for attention grabbing headlines--then you read the story with the words somewhat in context and it isn't that way at all.

People, while not the epitome of fine journalism, doesn't usually play that game.

Can't see how they created mantrums and yelling at her.

I have to say--I gotta take it as it is with Hailey being a little too care-free with her words and either misinterpreting Jon due to her own immaturity-or sufering from foot in mouth disease, which--as someone said--is going to get her a lovely conversation later on this evening.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

New article on Jon on People.com with quotes from Hailey. Per Hailey, Jon is emotionally abusive! But she's not going to leave him.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20315943,00.html

But she may not get a straight answer. "Sometimes he has trouble with the truth," she says, "and he will dance and dance around his lies. He's like Jekyll and Hyde. But I still love him."

Good grief Jon has horrible judgment in people. Why in the world would she heap more crap on him right now if she loves him? True or not, why do this?

And if even half of what she says is true, why is she staying with him???

She wants to be famous.



As far as the diary...I hope whoever took it does not make it public. Those are the kind of details, I don't want to know about.

 

[redrosesix]

It would all be so much guessing. We could have easily said that maybe what Hailey is seeing is what Kate put up for for years, but Jon was able to hide it during taping. Maybe Kate didn't hide how she treated him back.

Not at all saying that that is how or why she treated him with so little respect, but if we are guessing, that could be another guess.

Right now, on the Roloff's, TLC could easily start showing Amy as a complaining wife...if we didn't see what she is dealing with. Just show her husband when he's at his best, and show Amy when she's complaining about and to him. Viola..the newest K & J show.

Just sayin...it's so easy because of editing to make it whatever TLC and the rag mags say. They may have left out a lot of what Hailey said (am I actually sticking up for Hailey?) She may have said, because Kate abused Jon, Jon is afraid that if he says anything harsh, he is abusing me. And it was posted to say, Jon is abusing me.

Dang -- I was all ready for that stupid relationship to be over, and then you went a ruined the moment.

Yes, you're right -- it could have been something said innocently and taken completely out of context (for which Jon will not choose to dump her )

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

now that you mention it, I think I do have some vague recollection of Kate mentioning memories on the show... I just always thought their reasoning was the money. That's what they've said as the reason more than anything else, isn't it?

Lately--yes, as to why they continued filming the show.

I didn't watch the Ellen interview so didn't hear the question--if it was Why did you agree to do the show? Then Kate's answer is "correct" in context.

If it was why did you keep doing the show? It's "accurate" but incomplete.

If it is "Why don't you want the show to end?" Then it is misleading b/c they have said on more than one occasion something related to it being their job and how they make money. But Kate has alluded to the fact that they did enjoy continuing to make memories in reference to the special things the show had them do.

The answer evolved--but how correct in context depends on Ellen's question to begin with.

**In the beginning, it wasn't anywhere near this lucrative and I think it was season two where the legal papers filed by TLC says they negotiated a signifcant increase in the episode fees. I could have the wrong season, but it was clear they negotiated a pay raise in response to the popularity of the show.

 

[DMRick]

As I said, I was just reponding to the person who was making guesses. Hailey prob did say that (and we'll see her on TV in person soon to see), but more the point I was making, is that unless we see an uncut version of the whole interview(s), we really can't tell what is real. And even when we see them saying it, it's hard to tell what is the truth and what is the perceived truth...which to the person talking, is very real. Lots of double speak with these two.

Unless she request a retraction for what she told them, we can only go by the published words.

She said, Jon is emotionally abusive.

I know tabloids will get very twisty with words for attention grabbing headlines--then you read the story with the words somewhat in context and it isn't that way at all.

People, while not the epitome of fine journalism, doesn't usually play that game.

Can't see how they created mantrums and yelling at her.

I have to say--I gotta take it as it is with Hailey being a little too care-free with her words and either misinterpreting Jon due to her own immaturity-or sufering from foot in mouth disease, which--as someone said--is going to get her a lovely conversation later on this evening.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Dang -- I was all ready for that stupid relationship to be over, and then you went a ruined the moment.

Yes, you're right -- it could have been something said innocently and taken completely out of context (for which Jon will not choose to dump her )

People isn't usually sneaky with peoples words and will adjust the quote with a ... if there is a gap in what they say or it is snipped.

But I am copying directly:

Hailey Glassman says her reality star boyfriend is emotionally abusive – and she's sick of it. "He'll call me and take his anger out on me," Glassman, 22, says in a two-part interview scheduled to air on The Insider beginning Thursday. "He has 'mantrums.' I shouldn't have to put up with being emotionally abused. I cry and say, 'Why are you so mean to me?' "

The first sentence of course is People's words based on what she said---but then in her latter statements...


#1--I don't think she is emotionally abused at all.

#2--her response that she says she says to him--is manipulative. Emotionally abused people do not respond in that manner, but 22 year old naive little girls might.

ALSO--this is going to air on INSIDER on Thursday---so set your TIVOs folks--if she says it on camera..it isn't out of context unless she purposes to mislead the public.


Can't see how People interpreted her words wrong if they are issuing a press release of an interview.

 

[madge]

Lately--yes, as to why they continued filming the show.

I didn't watch the Ellen interview so didn't hear the question--if it was Why did you agree to do the show? Then Kate's answer is "correct" in context.

If it was why did you keep doing the show? It's "accurate" but incomplete.

If it is "Why don't you want the show to end?" Then it is misleading b/c they have said on more than one occasion something related to it being their job and how they make money. But Kate has alluded to the fact that they did enjoy continuing to make memories in reference to the special things the show had them do.

The answer evolved--but how correct in context depends on Ellen's question to begin with.

**In the beginning, it wasn't anywhere near this lucrative and I think it was season two where the legal papers filed by TLC says they negotiated a signifcant increase in the episode fees. I could have the wrong season, but it was clear they negotiated a pay raise in response to the popularity of the show.

the question was how do you backpedal and go back to a life without the show? (not verbatim, but that was the general question)

the answer Kate gave was "we starting this cute little reality show, collecting memories...." and then it went on from there.