Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[3prettyprincesses]

I thought the same thing. whatever happened to the idea that if the kids didn't want to be filmed, then they didn't have to?

That's what J&K have always claimed. It's sounding more and more like the kids were working and not just playing as Kate likes to say. I can't imagine forcing those kids to do things for the camera. But it's the family job so I guess it's ok. The show is our life and our life is the show, that is so messed up.

 

[madge]

That's what J&K have always claimed. It's sounding more and more like the kids were working and not just playing as Kate likes to say. I can't imagine forcing those kids to do things for the camera. But it's the family job so I guess it's ok. The show is our life and our life is the show, that is so messed up.

I have a feeling, when it's all said and done ... we're going to know a lot more about the Gosselins than we ever wanted ... this thing is far from over.

 

[LoraJ]

I take that to mean that they want to do a show with just the girls, or just the boys. I still think they had the option not to be filmed. We have seen episodes without one or the other twin when they did not want to participate.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I take that to mean that they want to do a show with just the girls, or just the boys. I still think they had the option not to be filmed. We have seen episodes without one or the other twin when they did not want to participate.

That is how I read it as well and that TLC controls which parent is filming. Let's not forget that Jon has always maintained that the kids are only playing as well, that is not just a Kate thing.

 

[kidshop]

I'm just reading the petition against Jon right now and I already don't like where it says (paraphrase) 'he is not to issue press releases or make public statements about the show including his own family members without prior written permission'. This has probably already been discussed, but to me, that is selling your right to talk about your own family to TLC. Who in their right mind would sign something like that!?

And I would like to point out that Jon did refuse to film BEFORE the name change and 'firing', (sept 24), so that part was true!

They claim that 30,000 is significant monetary damages to them? it doesn't seem like very much to me.

There is no mention of the clause that allows to parents to cease filming if they wish to, but it must exist, b/c filming has ceased! They just say that for 5 years he has not felt filming was detrimental.

They are just mad b/c Jon took his 8 kids and went home! And I do think the name change may be a key point where Jon was not bound by the contract from that point. It doesn't really discuss where they can change the name, only that they decide who is filmed.

Tell me this show won't be found to be scripted and the kids working! You'll be the sorry ones TLC, I think it's all going to come out.

 

[C.Ann]

I'm just reading the petition against Jon right now and I already don't like where it says (paraphrase) 'he is not to issue press releases or make public statements about the show including his own family members without prior written permission'..

Did - or does - this apply to Kate as well?

It would seem to me that if TLC has to drag all of this into court, then they are pretty desperate and grasping at straws in order to be able to continue to film the kids.. It's retaliation against Jon - because they have no show without the kids.. If the kids weren't "working" - or the primary focus of the show - they would just go ahead with a new reality series called "Kate" - minus the children.. However, they probably know that she is not a big enough "draw" to support any long term viewer loyalty, thus the need to get the kids back on camera.. And for what? $$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[hbkfan637]

Oh, I agree. I went back and re-read TLC's petition against Jon. Did anyone notice that they said they control which family members are filmed? Please tell me that didn't apply to the children.

I had a different interpretation of that part. It says "Under the Agreement, Plaintiff retains exclusive editorial discretion over the program, including determining which family members would appear, how the program would be marketed, and what the program would be called." The editorial discretion part made me think TLC has the right to use filmed footage of the children on their show but not tell them they have to film.

 

[redrosesix]

That is how I read it as well and that TLC controls which parent is filming. Let's not forget that Jon has always maintained that the kids are only playing as well, that is not just a Kate thing.

which is exactly what some parts of the lawsuit are about -- they are both required not to say anything against the show or TLC. See Kidshop's post right after yours.

I'm just reading the petition against Jon right now and I already don't like where it says (paraphrase) 'he is not to issue press releases or make public statements about the show including his own family members without prior written permission'. This has probably already been discussed, but to me, that is selling your right to talk about your own family to TLC. Who in their right mind would sign something like that!?

And I would like to point out that Jon did refuse to film BEFORE the name change and 'firing', (sept 24), so that part was true!

They claim that 30,000 is significant monetary damages to them? it doesn't seem like very much to me.

There is no mention of the clause that allows to parents to cease filming if they wish to, but it must exist, b/c filming has ceased! They just say that for 5 years he has not felt filming was detrimental.

They are just mad b/c Jon took his 8 kids and went home! And I do think the name change may be a key point where Jon was not bound by the contract from that point. It doesn't really discuss where they can change the name, only that they decide who is filmed.

Tell me this show won't be found to be scripted and the kids working! You'll be the sorry ones TLC, I think it's all going to come out.

I think this is what bothers me the most about the contract, in general. What if, god forbid, one of the crew hurt one of the children? Or they were mean to the kids on a day-to-day basis. Neither of the parents have the right to say anything about it, and I'm almost wondering if they would even be entitled to report a crime against their children. Jon and Kate dropped the ball there when they signed, but it is possible that the contract would be considered void because of that.

And I like how all week after Jon pulled the plug, both Kate and TLC were saying that Jon was filming the week before (the day that they are now suing him for not filming on). But I think the $30,000 is the crew costs for that day. But didn't Jon say something about Mady calling him and telling him they were filming when he was on LKL -- does that mean they filmed without either of the parents there?

It may not have been written into the contract, but TLC may have let the parents decide when the kids were filming. When Kate was in Charlotte, she said that she made all of the decisions about where they would go, which events they would do.

But then again, maybe Jon and Kate were required to film the hair plugs episode even though their kids were sick.

 

[WaltD4Me]

which is exactly what some parts of the lawsuit are about -- they are both required not to say anything against the show or TLC. See Kidshop's post right after yours.



I think this is what bothers me the most about the contract, in general. What if, god forbid, one of the crew hurt one of the children? Or they were mean to the kids on a day-to-day basis. Neither of the parents have the right to say anything about it, and I'm almost wondering if they would even be entitled to report a crime against their children. Jon and Kate dropped the ball there when they signed, but it is possible that the contract would be considered void because of that.

And I like how all week after Jon pulled the plug, both Kate and TLC were saying that Jon was filming the week before (the day that they are now suing him for not filming on). But I think the $30,000 is the crew costs for that day. But didn't Jon say something about Mady calling him and telling him they were filming when he was on LKL -- does that mean they filmed without either of the parents there?

It may not have been written into the contract, but TLC may have let the parents decide when the kids were filming. When Kate was in Charlotte, she said that she made all of the decisions about where they would go, which events they would do.

But then again, maybe Jon and Kate were required to film the hair plugs episode even though their kids were sick.

What do you mean if one of the crew "hurt the children" ... as in by accident, or by some form of abuse on purpose?

You can't hold someone to a contract involving a crime. As someone said earlier, a contract to sell drugs could not be upheld, because selling drugs is illegal. If one of the kids was being abused by a crew member (shudder) TLC would not have legal standing to enforce the contract if Jon and Kate reported the crime. And really, I don't think it would matter to Jon or Kate even if they did have legal standing. I just do not believe either of them would allow/be silent about abuse because of their contracts.

 

[hbkfan637]

NEW PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin Has The Rainy Day Blues

Posted on Oct 17, 2009 @ 12:31PM

On the very day that TLC filed a breach of contract lawsuit against Jon Gosselin, his estranged wife Kate was spotted checking out of a hotel and heading back over to her Wernersville, PA estate for a week with her kids.

PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin In The Rain As TLC Sues Jon

Jon and Kate alternate weeks with their eight children, who stay put at the house. Kate has made the nearby Homewood Suites her home-away-from-home during her "off" weeks.

PHOTOS: Kate At Her Hotel

TLC is suing Jon for interfering with the production of the newly renamed Kate Plus 8, and for taking cash for other TV appearances when he is under an exclusive contract to the cable net.

EXCLUSIVE: Behind-The-Scenes Of The TLC Lawsuit

Jon's problems don't end there. A former nanny, Stephanie Santoro, told RadarOnline.com exclusively that Jon smoked pot in front of the kids!

VIDEO: Nanny Says Jon Smoked Pot

The last episode of Jon & Kate Plus 8 was broadcast October 14 and drew 2.5 million viewers.

Although Kate remains in the TLC family - the cable net is also developing a new series for her - the future of any project involving the children is in doubt.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/new-photos-kate-gosselin-has-rainy-day-blues

Looks like the tabloids figured out where Kate stays on her non-custody days.

 

[hbkfan637]

EXCLUSIVE: Jon Gosselin Could Face Jail Time For Hacking Exploits

Posted on Oct 17, 2009 @ 12:14PM

The shocking allegations by Jon Gosselin's former lover that he hacked into Kate Gosselin's email and telephone accounts could land him behind bars says TV's Judge Alex.

PHOTOS: Jon Gosselin Picks The Kids Up From School

"If he really hacked into her email and bugged her phone, he's looking at crimes that are punishable by prison" Judge Alex Ferrer told RadarOnline exclusively.

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Gosselin Nanny Say Jon Hacked Into Kate's Accounts

Ferrer says that Jon Gosselin - despite still being legally wed to Kate- "may have violated state and federal law" if he illegally invaded her electronic privacy.

PHOTOS: Jon Gosselin Shops At Pier One

Kate Gosselin is considering legal action after seeing RadarOnline's exclusive video interview with Stephanie Santoro in which Jon bragged that he hacked into Kate's email, telephone and banking accounts.

PHOTOS: Jon And The Kids Carve Pumpkins

Kate has a number of legal options says Ferrar. "She can certainly have a civil claim against him," Ferrar says. "She could go in front of the family court judge and ask for contempt sanctions against him. She could file criminal charges against him. She could do a whole host of things."

EXCLUSIVE LAWSUIT DETAILS: Jon Raking In Cash For TV Interviews

Ferrar, who is a former police officer, says that Kate should ask police to begin an investigation to look for spyware or other evidence that would prove her case. "She should be taking that information to the DA's office and telling them here's a witness that he hacked into their account."

Jon's Attorney Calls TLC Lawsuit "Weak, Feeble And Baseless"

Ferrar adds that Jon - who has denied the allegations - may have created an array of headaches for himself.

"If this is true, he's obviously working his way down the ladder of success," says Ferrer.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...osselin-could-face-jail-time-hacking-exploits

 

[redrosesix]

What do you mean if one of the crew "hurt the children" ... as in by accident, or by some form of abuse on purpose?

You can't hold someone to a contract involving a crime. As someone said earlier, a contract to sell drugs could not be upheld, because selling drugs is illegal. If one of the kids was being abused by a crew member (shudder) TLC would not have legal standing to enforce the contract if Jon and Kate reported the crime. And really, I don't think it would matter to Jon or Kate even if they did have legal standing. I just do not believe either of them would allow/be silent about abuse because of their contracts.

You're right. And do you know what's funny about that? I was the one who posted the info on contract law.

Yes, they could report the crime, but unlikely they'd be able to talk about it while their contract was in force even if the person was convicted.

And I was thinking in more general terms -- if the kids weren't happy doing the show, etc., the parents would have given up the right to talk about that. Suppose they're being interviewed on Oprah and one of the kids says the crew is mean -- the parents would not be allowed to confirm the story.

I don't know Jon and Kate, and I don't know what they would do in any situation, but I'm assuming their contract would be similar to all of the other TLC shows.

 

[madge]

I swear, Radar Online is worse than the National Enquirer, LOL

 

[redrosesix]

I don't think RadarOnline had a copy of the petition when they wrote this article (Jon is being sued for breaking the morals clause), but it does have some interesting facts:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-lawsuit-details-jon-gosselin-raking-cash-interviews

Jon Gosselin has been raking in cash for interviews and appearances and TLC knows what he's made and where he's made it from RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

Read Court Documents

The filing also revealed that the day TLC announced it would focus the show just on Kate but still give Jon compensation and air time, Jon’s lawyer gave the network one hour to release the dad from exclusivity provisions while continuing to pay him. If they did not agree, Jon’s lawyer said they would publicly object to further filming. The network claims this was “the first time in nearly five years that Defendant Gosselin articulated to TLC that filming the program was detrimental and should be stopped.”

Not only that, the network wants all that money plus damages in a court battle that has the strong possibility of leaving Jon flat broke.

PHOTOS: Jon Vegas pics

A RadarOnline.com investigation has uncovered shocking facts behind the lawsuit TLC filed against Jon Friday for breach of contract. TLC already knows Jon has been paid for media appearances and every penny will come out in the lawsuit. The paydays are in violation of his contract with the network, which has a clearly defined exclusivity clause.

PHOTOS: Jon Picks The Kids Up

That contract is valid until February 2010, even though the show is no longer filming. In addition, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that TLC has an option to renew Jon's contract once it expires, thereby keeping him from doing projects on any other network.

PHOTOS: Kate bikini pics

Jon's negative public comments also violate his contact and the network is seeking damages against him and Jon will also be on the hook for TLC's attorney's fees if the network wins in court. TLC is represented by Williams and Connolly, out of Washington D.C. They are widely regarded as one of the top firms in the country and have a reputation for digging up every damaging fact about their opponents.

Jon also has a morals clause in his contract RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively. His boozing and behavior could also be dragged into the lawsuit.

TLC's contract with Jon prohibits him from revealing details from his contract, badmouthing the network, and making money from other outlets.

The exclusivity provision means that if there is going to be any Gosselin TV show it is going to appear on TLC. TLC is asking for damages and injunctive relief. They believe Jon's words and actions have damaged the company.

Sources tell RadarOnline.com TLC is not filing the lawsuit out of revenge or in attempt to get the show back on the air. They simply will not allow Jon to go around bashing them and violating his contract.

TLC is determined to not only find every penny Jon has made in violation of his contract from the media and elsewhere, but they're also digging in to his plans to star in a new TV show called "Divorced Dads Club."

And I'm pretty sure somebody already posted the article where Michael Lohan says he might sue Jon for refusing to do Divorced Dads Club.

 

[WaltD4Me]

And I'm pretty sure somebody already posted the article where Michael Lohan says he might sue Jon for refusing to do Divorced Dads Club.

Michael Lohan is such an idiot. He said he might sue Jon because Jon verbally told him he would do the show and said "In New York your word is as good as any written contract." Like he's channeling John Gotti or something.

 

[redrosesix]

Michael Lohan is such an idiot. He said he might sue Jon because Jon verbally told him he would do the show and said "In New York your word is as good as any written contract." Like he's channeling John Gotti or something.

At last, something we can always agree on.

He was also on some tabloid website the other day, saying how he's scared his younger daughter is being influenced by Lindsey. I swear he's been in some article every day for the last week.

And he's famous why?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I have a feeling, when it's all said and done ... we're going to know a lot more about the Gosselins than we ever wanted ... this thing is far from over.

Don't we know too much information already? Seriously, it's frightening that so much is out there, particulary with the children involved. I never understood why Kate wrote a book called "Eight Little Faces" full of pics of her own kids for any obsessed fan or pervert to buy or look at. I agree though, I think much more information is coming, especially with the court date being public. Can you imagine all the reporters who will probably be falling all over each other to be in the court room? Let's just hope we don't have to hear anymore about how the kids are handling the divorce, that is such private, sensitive information the public doesn't need to know.

 

[redrosesix]

Don't we know too much information already? Seriously, it's frightening that so much is out there, particulary with the children involved. I never understood why Kate wrote a book called "Eight Little Faces" full of pics of her own kids for any obsessed fan or pervert to buy or look at. I agree though, I think much more information is coming, especially with the court date being public. Can you imagine all the reporters who will probably be falling all over each other to be in the court room? Let's just hope we don't have to hear anymore about how the kids are handling the divorce, that is such private, sensitive information the public doesn't need to know.

ITA with all of this.

It boggles my mind the details that have come out just this week.

ETA: come to think of it, most of what we learned this week came from TLC's petition. Weird, they're suing Jon for disclosing details but they've disclosed more than Kate and Jon put together.

 

[Promomx2]

How can TLC have a issue with Jon going on other tv shows but not have a issue with Kate doing the same thing? Has anyone found out how much she made for doing "The View"?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

It boggles my mind the details that have come out just this week.

ETA: come to think of it, most of what we learned this week came from TLC's petition. Weird, they're suing Jon for disclosing details but they've disclosed more than Kate and Jon put together.

That's very true. I think this is going to backfire on TLC. Their little petition has disclosed information about the contract between them and J&K. I'm guessing people will think TLC is very controlling and acting like a bully toward a family that is literally falling apart before our very eyes. The way they're going after Jon is hideous IMO given all that's going on with the Gosselin family. Shame on them. And I still think they broke the contract with Jon first by changing the show's focus and removing his name from the title. If they have a contract with Kate for Kate+8 then I think they may have screwed themselves. Jon didn't sign a contract for the new show (that we know of) which means he hasn't consented to the kids being filmed. Doesn't the fact that TLC changed the focus and name of the show nullify Jon's contract anyway? This is all so confusing.