Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[brittsmum1998]

From what I've seen and them going to thrift stores, finding every way possible to save a dime, they OBVIOUSLY NEED THE MONEY. Absolutely no difference then. The recent episode showed the mother stating how the kids were complaining and having a hard time with some of the questions and long hours of shooting and camera people around them. But bc they're together and better "Christians" in your mind and a couple here, they don't get judged. But real Christians are taught not to judge.

Maybe they are better actors when they are "giving back"? They seem to do alot of charity work. I haven't seen the wife hit Jim Bob even once. They seem really respectful of each other when lets face it, when J&K started most of the chat was to discuss how mean Kate was.

In all fairness I didn't see the episode you are referring to above. I will have to look for that one.

Being christians still allows for opinions just sayin

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I don't judge the Duggars either. I think they're an amazing group. But they obviously are doing the same things the Gosselins are, making money off of their large family and children.

 

[Mermaid02]

I was probably one of the biggest Kate haters before all of this nonsense started however, I have had a complete 180 regarding their situation.

A former business partner of mine went through a divorce about ten years ago and acted the same stupid way Jon is acting now. I had so much stress due to his constant shenanigans that I dissolved our partnership before his divorce was final.

"Joe", we will call him "Joe" spent his entire day trying to figure out a way he wouldn't have to pay her any alimony, how he could limit his child support payments, how to get out of helping pay for his kids education, etc. He even had himself committed to a psychiatric hospital for an "attempted" suicide so he could explain why he couldn't work and make as much as he did before. He told Judge after Judge he couldn't pay the ex the alimony due to his mental illness. All made up situations to hurt his soon to be ex and his children.

He would take large amounts of cash out of their joint accounts and say he went to the casino and spent it when in reality he was giving it to his new girlfriend so they would have $$$ once his divorce was final.

Every day, Jon Gosselin does something that reminds me of something "Joe" did in order to screw over his ex and his children. To this day, such actions make me ill.....

I think what is the most disturbing thing about Jon is that he took a bunch of money out of the bank and is directly hurting his children in ways he doesn't even understand yet. He has put a cease and desist on the show, has no job himself, has no real way of supporting his own children besides doing public appearances at clubs and bars and appears to have become a serial dater.

Whether one likes or dislikes Kate, I do see a women who is trying to keep this gravy train going because she doesn't have any desire to be poor again, and I can respect that. Jon, on the other hand, seems to want to destroy the entire enterprise of "Jon and Kate" just to show the world he has a pair!!!

All of Jon's actions seem very spiteful to me and honestly, if I hadn't seen such horrible behavior from a person I knew well myself, I don't think I would believe such actions were possible.

Also, Jon's new lawyer was disbarred from the State of NY for five years in the past due to unethical practices. I think others comments about Heller are spot on. He probably is a friend of Michael Lohan, another pathetic example of a father. Jon's choice of friends says a lot about his character, imo.

Finally, I really feel for those kids. They are adorable little innocents in all of this....


Just my opinions

MsA

That is a great post! How did "Joe's" wife and children end up living?

Do the Duggers exploit their children? It is obviously the same thing. And I believe the husband stays home, I'm not too sure, but they make some of their money from land they own and rent out. They have 18 children so I guess that makes them more exploitive. Sorry 17 and 1 on the way?

Haven't they also declared their home a church?

 

[newtodis]

Had to check in this morning when I'd heard about the bank account nonsense. Then I get a text from DH (10 hours away at a class for two weeks) who just happens to be in class with a guy from Reading, PA! Of course, I've asked for details, details, details! I'm very interested in what the "locals" have to say about this honestly. So far I've gotten that locals think Jon's a lazy bum and the nicest they say about Kate is that she's a witch (with a b). Told him that's not new and I wanted some juicy! He's got another 13 days to dig us up some good 'ole dirt.

Unreal about the money business. I can't believe Kate didn't nip this the first time it happened! That shocks me honestly. I'd like to hear what she had to say on the View when she called in. Did she have all this stuff lined up before or did it all transpire with the LKL interview last week and now it just so happens that the money incident happened over the weekend? If it was lined up before and Kate's just now bringing it out, it kind of sounds like she wanted to be the first one to address it and by already having the interviews in place she could doing it this way.

Was there any proof or anything to Jon looking at houses in LA?? What's up with that? Will they have a house on each coast and flip flop when they're with the kids? They're both complaining there's no money to be had so quit spending! How would Jon get a loan without a job for a fancy, new house??

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Maybe they are better actors when they are "giving back"? They seem to do alot of charity work. I haven't seen the wife hit Jim Bob even once. They seem really respectful of each other when lets face it, when J&K started most of the chat was to discuss how mean Kate was.

In all fairness I didn't see the episode you are referring to above. I will have to look for that one.

Being christians still allows for opinions just sayin

The episode I was referring to shows them making their own soap, going to the thrift store buying shoes, etc., home perming the girls hair, etc. I agree that they are in love and the Duggars pretty perfect people but most of us are not and I believe Jon and Kate started out doing these shows to help support their children the same way the Duggars did. And the "exploitation" of the kids seems to be a big target against Jon and Kate. Kate loves her kids and tries to do what she can to support them and I feel sorry for them all.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Haven't they also declared their home a church?[/QUOTE]

I didn't hear anything about that, that's interesting if anyone knows.

 

[floridafam]

Jon is a joke.

He thinks Kate should be at home with the kids and not out working and traveling. He worked for years. I still think Kate gets a lot of grief for working just because she is a woman.

Kate paid the bills for years. Now he's complaining. Again, if the situation was reversed things would be different. Many couples do the same thing. One of them pays the bills and then all of the sudden the other resents that come divorce time.

She's a working woman who pays the bills, more power to her!

 

[redrosesix]

Perhaps some of those withdrawals were put into the children's account. I wouldn't trust those figures as fact at this point or anything with Mark Heller's name on it.

He has been in his share of trouble.

The revocable trust was set up for the kids around the time Kate filed for divorce. As for Heller's letter, he says he is citing demands from the arbitrator -- since the divorce proceedings have not been postponed as Jon asked for, and the arbitrator's report will have to be submitted at that time, we'll soon see whether those numbers gel with Heller's letter (because IMO it's unlikely that they're going to be able to keep that quiet -- somebody will make money for finding a copy of that)

I watched Kate's interview on the Today show, and I just came away from it frustrated. Really? $230,000 was all of the money they had between them? Riiiiiight. Yeah, I know that they've got money in accounts for the kids. I get that. But do they really have no savings? Are they really working on one single bank account for the two of them? There is absolutely no where that she can pull from to keep her bills current? Uh huh. Sure.

He absolutely should not have touched that money if the arbitrator said that he couldn't. I'm not sure I'm buying what she's selling though.

Quick, somebody take some paper towels out and set them in front of the gate.

Here's an idea you two psychos, with all the money you've been throwing around for the last few years, and all the money you're bound to slow pitch to your respective attorneys in the next few....uh..unforeseeable future, how about tossing some of it to someone who can actually handle your money for you. Before you spend it all. Oh wait......

Bummer.

I lurk here more than I post but I have posted a number of times....anyway I just wanted to ask you all....aren't you and the rest of the country getting tired of hearing about the Gosselins 24/7. I turn on my 'puter to now read that Jon has now emptied their bank account and Kate has finally taken her ring off.......crap this is just getting so old. I so wish the media would not spend so much time on the Gosselins. We have so many other pressing issues to deal with in this country than the having the Gosselins on the front page all of the time.

Ok vent over. Sorry, my brother is leaving for Afghanistan.

Wish your brother good luck from us. We know people over there -- not the best place to be, but certainly not the worst.

 

[BelleWDW]

I watched Kate's interview on the Today show, and I just came away from it frustrated. Really? $230,000 was all of the money they had between them? Riiiiiight. Yeah, I know that they've got money in accounts for the kids. I get that. But do they really have no savings? .

Kate explained that this was their "Liquid money"-money used to pay their daily living expenses.

They surely have investments -as I do also-however it takes a few days before most people can actually put their hands on Investment money.

And that is money she probably can not touch in this divorce time-right?

So I see her "terror"_she's got BILLS to pay-mortgage, gas, electricity and I'm sure $1k wont cover that.

 

[DisneyAndRedSox]

I just feel like the Gossellin kids being so young and being filmed so much are more under the "spell" of their parents.

I saw them filming at Sesame Place, ran into them 3 times that day. When the cameras were off there was not a smile in the bunch, not a single smile or laugh.

 

[mla1977]

The episode I was referring to shows them making their own soap, going to the thrift store buying shoes, etc., home perming the girls hair, etc. I agree that they are in love and the Duggars pretty perfect people but most of us are not and I believe Jon and Kate started out doing these shows to help support their children the same way the Duggars did. And the "exploitation" of the kids seems to be a big target against Jon and Kate. Kate loves her kids and tries to do what she can to support them and I feel sorry for them all.

That episode, from what I recall, was not about the Duggars being poor. It was about ways that they save money and budget with a large family. They generally buy from thrift stores. They also recently showed that they sometimes have to buy somethings new because of the age/size/timing, etc. One of they boys got a new bike for his birthday partly because there wasn't one that fit him in the hand-me-down chain.

 

[kidshop]

From what I've seen and them going to thrift stores, finding every way possible to save a dime, they OBVIOUSLY NEED THE MONEY. Absolutely no difference then. The episode I just saw showed the mother stating how the kids were complaining and having a hard time with some of the questions and long hours of shooting from the camera people. But bc they're together and better "Christians" in your mind and a couple here, they don't get judged. But real Christians are taught not to judge.

sometimes you have a lot of money b/c you go to thrift stores and find every way to save a dime.......

You can only earn it or save it!

I'm about 50/50 on the Duggars, they are the same people doing the same things as before the show. Same with the Roloffs. The show is NOT their life.

And their kids look happy. And would still be happy if the show ended right now.

But, I don't like kids on TV shows without protections afforded to child actors. I think that needs to change.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I saw them filming at Sesame Place, ran into them 3 times that day. When the cameras were off there was not a smile in the bunch, not a single smile or laugh.

That is very sad.

 

[DreaGirl]

The episode I was referring to shows them making their own soap, going to the thrift store buying shoes, etc., home perming the girls hair, etc. I agree that they are in love and the Duggars pretty perfect people but most of us are not and I believe Jon and Kate started out doing these shows to help support their children the same way the Duggars did. And the "exploitation" of the kids seems to be a big target against Jon and Kate. Kate loves her kids and tries to do what she can to support them and I feel sorry for them all.

This is part of their lifestyle. They buy used and save the difference. It's how they save money with such a large family. It's their choice.

Haven't they also declared their home a church?

I didn't hear anything about that, that's interesting if anyone knows.[/QUOTE]

I've read that but have never seen anything that confirms it.

Kate explained that this was their "Liquid money"-money used to pay their daily living expenses.

They surely have investments -as I do also-however it takes a few days before most people can actually put their hands on Investment money.

And that is money she probably can not touch in this divorce time-right?

So I see her "terror"_she's got BILLS to pay-mortgage, gas, electricity and I'm sure $1k wont cover that.

It's my understanding that mortgage, gas, and electric are partially paid if not fully paid by TLC because their home is considered a "set".

I wonder if they bills she has to pay are tuition, credit card, and groceries.

 

[momrek06]

Wish your brother good luck from us. We know people over there -- not the best place to be, but certainly not the worst.

OT
Thank you so much, redrosesix!

 

[OhMari]

Kate explained that this was their "Liquid money"-money used to pay their daily living expenses.

They surely have investments -as I do also-however it takes a few days before most people can actually put their hands on Investment money.

And that is money she probably can not touch in this divorce time-right?

So I see her "terror"_she's got BILLS to pay-mortgage, gas, electricity and I'm sure $1k wont cover that.

I read the link, where the lawyer said, this is Jon's appropriated money, or for a better word-his fair share of the amount of money, they have made since filming started. So Jon figured he had bills to pay too, so he probably started paying his bills with this account. Can you image Kate receiving bills in the mail, that Jon starting wracking up? His rent in NYC has to be more than some of make in a year.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Jon's new lawyer just bugs me in all this. Jon's judgement has never seemed all that good to me, then I read this...

======== From the New York Daily News =======================
It appears Jon may be, in fact, receiving bad advice.

It has been revealed that his divorce attorney, Mark Heller, who appeared with him on "Larry King Live" Thursday night, was suspended by the Supreme Court of New York in 1994 from practicing law for five years, RadarOnline.com reports.

Heller was reportedly charged with 38 violations of department rules regarding "a pattern of misconduct involving misrepresentation, deceit, abusive treatment of clients, fee gouging, neglect and willful failure to return unearned retainers to his clients."

Heller was found guilty of 18 violations that occurred between 1989 and 1992, and involved 12 separate clients. He was suspended from practicing law between 1994 to 1999.
=========================================================

I don't know...seems like Jon could have/would have done some research into the guy and then thought..."Mmmmmm, 38 violations and a 5 year suspension, maybe not the guy for me."

 

[DreaGirl]

I guess the Nanny doesn't need a bodyguard when dropping off the kids to school.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/23520/2009/10/nanny-takes-gosseling-kids-school#image-load

So who needs a bodyguard, Kate or the kids? Since the bodyguard was probably with Kate this AM I guess we have our answer.

Oh, and isn't it amazing that a Nanny can handle 8 kids alone but both Kate and Jon need help?

 

[talulabelle]

From what I've seen and them going to thrift stores, finding every way possible to save a dime, they OBVIOUSLY NEED THE MONEY. Absolutely no difference then. The episode I just saw showed the mother stating how the kids were complaining and having a hard time with some of the questions and long hours of shooting from the camera people. But bc they're together and better "Christians" in your mind and a couple here, they don't get judged. But real Christians are taught not to judge.

I don't know how you can say they "OBVIOUSLY NEED THE MONEY" just because they are frugal and make things at home and buy second hand clothes. Just because they are frugal people and don't waste, doesn't mean they are hard up. The house you see on the show was built and PAID FOR IN CASH OUTRIGHT before there was even talk of a show. Jim Bob did that on his own. Perhaps they are doing the show, because it gives him more time with the family rather than working longer hours...but they don't NEED the show.

I'm not judging anyone - You don't have to judge to see how pathetic Jon and Kate are, all you have to do is turn on the TV and one of them is on their bashing the other and broadcasting their woes to the world on their own .

I don't know why anyone feel the need to bash the Duggars on the Gosselin thread. THe Duggars are going about their business being good people. Jon and Kate are the money hungry shrews addicted to being on the front page of TMZ.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Jon's new lawyer just bugs me in all this. Jon's judgement has never seemed all that good to me, then I read this...

======== From the New York Daily News =======================
It appears Jon may be, in fact, receiving bad advice.

It has been revealed that his divorce attorney, Mark Heller, who appeared with him on "Larry King Live" Thursday night, was suspended by the Supreme Court of New York in 1994 from practicing law for five years, RadarOnline.com reports.

Heller was reportedly charged with 38 violations of department rules regarding "a pattern of misconduct involving misrepresentation, deceit, abusive treatment of clients, fee gouging, neglect and willful failure to return unearned retainers to his clients."

Heller was found guilty of 18 violations that occurred between 1989 and 1992, and involved 12 separate clients. He was suspended from practicing law between 1994 to 1999.
=========================================================

I don't know...seems like Jon could have/would have done some research into the guy and then thought..."Mmmmmm, 38 violations and a 5 year suspension, maybe not the guy for me."

Exactly, he is not a trustworthy person, IMO. Jon makes horrible decisions in people these days, they end up using him or telling all.