Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

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I also want to comment on what we see with the kids when they are with Jon as opposed to when they're with Kate. I like that when they're with Jon they have on different outfits & seem to get to just play & have some freedom over their life. When we see pictures when they're with Kate, they must be dressed alike & seem so regulated. Maybe just different parenting styles but this just always sticks out to me. Like they can be more "normal" with Jon but must always be "camera ready" with Kate. Nice way to live.
Sorry so long!:)

I have noticed this as well but chalk that up to the difference between many Mom's and Dad's. Most Mom's are more organized and run a tighter ship with kids, want the clothes to look nice and such. Most Dad's are more relaxed with such things and are all about play time.
 
Do we not remember how not too long ago, Kate couldn't even pick out her clothes and had Jon shop with her? I watch alot of decorating and craft shows, Kate knows nothing.

I agree! I'm sure Kate now uses a stylist, especially when she's going on another show. We've seen her AGONIZE over just buying beds for the kids & she needed Beth to organize her house just a few "seasons" ago. I'm sure the only way she could do a Martha type show was with a production team spoon feeding her each day. And only if she could keep her hands clean as she did the crafts!
 
So many pages in the last day!My thoughts:

I'm glad Jon got a new lawyer who obviously knows how to deal with TLC & entertainment law. If I understood him correctly: as soon as TLC cancelled Jon & Kate plus 8 & announced Kate plus 8, the other contract was null & void. Thus Jon is free to halt production on his property & stop filming of his kids. He didn't sign a contract for them to be on Kate plus 8. A regular divorce lawyer mught not have known to take advantage of this loop hole.

As far as communication breaking down between J&K: this is the woman that seems to cut people out of her life if they cross her or no longer serve a purpose to her. Do we really think it would be any different with Jon? NO! I think he's done to her.

I do not think the kids are handling the divorce well. The episode where the kids were playing with the musical instruments showed quite a bit of distress,especially for Cara. Of course, Kate just blew it off as that's just Cara. I can only imagine the pain those kids are in.

J& K both said that if 1 member of the family wanted to stop the show, then they would. Why then didn't the show stop when Jon said he wanted to? Because Kate wanted to continue, of course. I don't care if Kate does a talk show or Jon does a divorced dad show, I'm glad the kids will be out of the public eye & off TV. ( I'm betting the dad show will end up on VH1 by the way!)

I also want to comment on what we see with the kids when they are with Jon as opposed to when they're with Kate. I like that when they're with Jon they have on different outfits & seem to get to just play & have some freedom over their life. When we see pictures when they're with Kate, they must be dressed alike & seem so regulated. Maybe just different parenting styles but this just always sticks out to me. Like they can be more "normal" with Jon but must always be "camera ready" with Kate. Nice way to live.

Sorry so long!:)

:thumbsup2 Nicely worded post! I agree with all of it. The episode with the musical instruments was really painful to watch (at least for me). Cara's behavior was over the top compared to her other outbursts and it's hard for me to not attribute it to all the changes in their little lives. I just wonder how they all are handling it. They need space and time with just their Mom and Dad...not the TLC director, sound guy, camera guy, production assistants or nannies. Time to be regular kids who go to school and come home and play. Kids who don't have to worry about filming several days a week and looking perfect for the cameras. I can't imagine any judge who would look at their lives and say that they don't need this time away from TLC and filming.
 
Do we not remember how not too long ago, Kate couldn't even pick out her clothes and had Jon shop with her? I watch alot of decorating and craft shows, Kate knows nothing.

I do remember, which is why I said her sense of style has improved. The poster asked for what Kate has to offer and I gave my opinion on what she has to offer. :)
 

:thumbsup2 Nicely worded post! I agree with all of it. The episode with the musical instruments was really painful to watch (at least for me). Cara's behavior was over the top compared to her other outbursts and it's hard for me to not attribute it to all the changes in their little lives. I just wonder how they all are handling it. They need space and time with just their Mom and Dad...not the TLC director, sound guy, camera guy, production assistants or nannies. Time to be regular kids who go to school and come home and play. Kids who don't have to worry about filming several days a week and looking perfect for the cameras. I can't imagine any judge who would look at their lives and say that they don't need this time away from TLC and filming.

I totally agree! I found that episode so disturbing. As we know, we only get to see what TLC lets us with the episodes. I kept thinking things must be much worse than this because I'm sure they're not showing us the really bad stuff. That's why I don't care WHY Jon finally halted production. I'm just glad he finally did.
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around AND AVAILABLE to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.


take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. if more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'. we're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

the arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.
 
I would watch her show....and I think she should go forward with the "Organic Cooking for Kids" cookbook. It's too bad Jon will block the kids from being involved---my kids would have loved it see "Cara's Favorite Recipe", etc.

On that note, my dd's would also have been excited about a tasteful children's clothing line for "pre-tweeners" that Cara & Maddy had their name stamped on.
 
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the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around and available to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.


Take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. If more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'. We're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

The arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.

Exactly!!
 
That is part of the problem, Jon continues to hang with people that have zero credibility and that in turn hurts Jon's credibility, IMO. Jon seems like a little boy that doesn't know which way to turn and Lohan seems like someone that only seeks to take advantage of Jon.



The video Hailey posted is for a song by Rihanna called Take A Bow. It is about a partner that lies and cannot stay faithful and how the relationship is over.....

She probably just put it out there to create more talk, as if the situation needed that. :lmao:



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I see Kate doing good with a Martha Stewart type show, some cooking, decorating and home project type stuff. I think she has a great sense of humor and her sense of style has definitely improved.

I will give you the sense of humor, that I can see, HOWEVER< I have yet to see anything out of the ordinary that she cooks, The chicken caccitory looked horrible and she has said on Jon and Kate +8 that she can't decorate, so I don't see how she can do a show on it. Well I guess if she has it scripted she can. As far as her style, I think TLC has to be given credit for that.
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

Very true, many costs as you pointed out could be done away with if they wanted or had to.
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around AND AVAILABLE to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.


take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. if more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'. we're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

the arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.

Yup. The show is necessary for their current lifestyle but that doesn't mean it's what is best for the kids. I particulary liked your comment about the legion of nannies and childcare providers!:lmao: If J&K could actually communicate with each other, I'm sure they could work out a way for the kids to be cared for by them alone. Good grief, when my parents divorced, my Mom had us most of the time and then my Dad has us the rest. We were with both of them for all holidays too. There weren't any babysitters or nannies. They worked out a custody agreement and stuck to it. J&K should be able to do the same.:sad2:
 
Filming the kids when the dogs were sent away was just plain wrong. I get that he was upset/mad/hurt so I don't have an issue with him making that public, but he could have excluded the kids from it. But I still think the worst part of it was that Kate ordered that they be sent away.

Let's face it, there are so many Jon-haters out there that if he hadn't filmed it, they'd accuse him of accidentally running over them with his 4 wheeler while he was drunk and high, and then had a fur coat made for a Vegas showgirl.

I was trying to say that I don't understand how Jon can say he has a problem with filming the kids because its unhealthy for them due to the divorce but he thinks its ok to film that event.
 
As far as her style, I think TLC has to be given credit for that.

:lmao: Most likely. Perhaps it would be best if she hosted a show like that, having guests on that share recipes, budget tips, decorating, fashion and craft ideas. The guests could be celebrities or everyday mom's.
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around AND AVAILABLE to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.


take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. if more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'. we're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

the arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.

Excellent post!


I will give you the sense of humor, that I can see, HOWEVER< I have yet to see anything out of the ordinary that she cooks, The chicken caccitory looked horrible and she has said on Jon and Kate +8 that she can't decorate, so I don't see how she can do a show on it. Well I guess if she has it scripted she can. As far as her style, I think TLC has to be given credit for that.

I agree. I just don't see her bringing anything to the table. She has said numerous times that she doesn't know the first thing about home decorating, she doesn't enjoy doing art projects with the kids (heck they were 4 and didn't know how to use scissors!), and until recently didn't even pick out her own clothes.

As for the cookbook, as per Kate's own words, real cooks don't use recipes, so I don't understand why she would put out a book of recipes. :rolleyes1
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

I personally think they'll need some security (at least Kate) for awhile - there are way too many crazy people in this world that might try to hurt her or the kids.

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

I would guess that there's a "set" price - no difference for nights, weekends, extended care, anything like that in this situation. I agree that J&K should try and work it out so one of them is with the kids and the sitter is the last resort.

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

I agree - this is not really a "need"

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around AND AVAILABLE to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

Now I haven't seen the "foot episode" (dvr'd just haven't had time) yet but I fell at Disney back in July and my foot still hurts and I haven't been to the dr....should I go? Probably. Will I? Probably not - it's actually starting to feel better. I tend to not run to the doctor for everything with my kids. DS5 literally quit walking for about a week and told us his legs hurt. After a couple of days of him complaining, I took him to the dr where he walked just fine for her and said his legs never hurt (he was 4 at the time). Back at home, no walking at all....then he started walking again without a problem. We'll never know if there was really something wrong or he was just being stubborn. I've worked in the medical field and been around kids long enough to try to trust my "gut" instead of heading to the dr. As for the sitter taking her (I know that wasn't addressed in this comment), I think it's fine honestly. My nanny has a medical release to take, treat, make decisions if she's with the kids and something happens. They're only good for six months or a year and I always made sure my daycare provider and anyone watching my children always had one as DS5 has some severe allergies that could require using his epipen and needing to go to the hospital. I would send my boys to the dr with our nanny if it wasn't for something serious - just a runny nose or something like that. Maybe I'm heartless :confused3

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.

I think that falls back into the babysitting/nanny grouping. I would ALWAYS prefer to have someone else with me and I only have two kids - not 8. There's no way Kate could take all the kids to Disney alone right now (could you imagine potty breaks!) but it's certainly "age appropriate" for them IMO.

take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. if more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes

I think many of the clothes are "product placements" or given to the family in exchange for advestising in other ways (not during the show but a commercial maybe) and this could wind up costing them MORE because they'd have to start buying the clothes, shoes, food, ect that's being "given" to them right now.

and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'.

I agree about the multiple homes - I really think (IMO being as budget minded as I try to be) there's no way I'd be able to handle having both homes to pay for in addition to Jon's apartment and wherever Kate's staying when she's not there....I was stressed enough having a house in two different states for six months!

we're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

I agree that the retirement and college funds could wait until later for sure but the private school might go back to being a privacy thing. I don't know that the public schools are as strict about the filming/paps/security as a private school might be.

the arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.

I don't know that it's ok to change everything - if they move again that's just another change. I think for the time being, they need to stay where they are and continue in their current life style. Maybe get the kids involved in looking for another house. Mady and Cara I'm sure have a good idea of things they'd like/dislike and could help reading through the ads and the little kids would love to look at different pictures of houses. Let them be a part of the process and make suggestions. I think the kids are too young to be allowed to make major decisions but should be allowed to make suggestions on different things.
 
I just don't see her bringing anything to the table. She has said numerous times that she doesn't know the first thing about home decorating, she doesn't enjoy doing art projects with the kids (heck they were 4 and didn't know how to use scissors!), and until recently didn't even pick out her own clothes.

As for the cookbook, as per Kate's own words, real cooks don't use recipes, so I don't understand why she would put out a book of recipes. :rolleyes1

I agree. She couldn't even give parenting tips in my opinion. Anyone who can't take her kids on outings without "help" most of the time or even just be alone at home with them isn't projecting themselves as very competent in my book. I mean these kids are 8 & 5 now, even if there are 8 kids, you should not need so much help with them.
 
I think Jon and Hailey split up. I just logged into twitter and here is the latest from Hailey No matter what I will always be there for Jon.Whether we are together or just friends,he will always have my family and my support. She also no longer has Jon as one of the people that she is following on Twitter. Sounds to me like it is finally over.
 
I think Jon and Hailey split up. I just logged into twitter and here is the latest from Hailey No matter what I will always be there for Jon.Whether we are together or just friends,he will always have my family and my support. She also no longer has Jon as one of the people that she is following on Twitter. Sounds to me like it is finally over.

Last night when Jon was speaking of wanting the show to stop and listed several reasons why, he included "work on our marriage" in the list. Something to the effect of: to heal our family, I want Kate and I to be friends and work on our marriage? Did anyone else catch that? I just thought it was a strange way to phrase that. :confused3

Perhaps Hailey didn't care for Jon's interview.
 
the financial support of the kids is an interesting concept-it seems like much of what they 'need' right now would'nt be necessary if they reverted to a more 'normal' lifestyle-

no need for bodyguards to travel with you to interviews and appearances if you are'nt doing them,

no need for legions of nannies and childcare providers that charge a premium for nights, weekends and extended days of care if you do a reasonable shared custody arrangement or absent that-curtail/amend your own career aspirations to suit the needs of your kids,

no need for personal trainers, stylists, salon and spa 'maintainance' expenses if your not constantly trying to be in the limelite,

no need to use higher cost e/r facilities for what could be treated by doctors during normal buisness hours-if you're around AND AVAILABLE to reccognize your kids are in need of that care,

no need for personal assistants to help with taking the kids to special events and activities and on vacations-if it's something that can't be reasonably managed by the parent then maybe it's something that at this age with the kids it should'nt be done.


take all of that away and you've cut costs immensely. if more costs need to be cut then dump the extra cars, stop buying the designer clothes and accessories, cut the 'extras' out of your life-if you can't handle 2 freaking mortgages then you need to look at which one you can handle-and there are plenty of larger families who own no home of their own-it's by no means an absolute 'must'. we're not even talking about eliminating private school or funding the retirement fund or kids college funds-all 3 of which any lucid parent would say take a backseat to the providing for the basic needs of their kids-food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

the arguement will be that the kids need to be 'supported to the manner in which they've become accustomed'-that's b.s., the kids need to be supported in a safe and healthy manner that facilitates them having healthy and supportive relationships with their siblings and parents.

IMO, they'd have to prove it to me that the private schools are actually necessary -- theirs is pretty expensive. And I got the feeling that Jon doesn't necessarily agree with it -- when he was asked about it on LKL, he gave a bit of a shrug.

I was trying to say that I don't understand how Jon can say he has a problem with filming the kids because its unhealthy for them due to the divorce but he thinks its ok to film that event.

I agree with you on that. IMO Jon was acting out of pure emotion -- they were his pets too. Doesn't make it right to film the kids though.

I think Jon and Hailey split up. I just logged into twitter and here is the latest from Hailey No matter what I will always be there for Jon.Whether we are together or just friends,he will always have my family and my support. She also no longer has Jon as one of the people that she is following on Twitter. Sounds to me like it is finally over.

:banana::banana::banana: Gee, I hope you're right.

And this would make things so much simpler for everybody.
 
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