Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[Embel]

Even if they aren't intentionally saving money, they probably are just by virtue of the fact that everything they get is free as part of an infomercial. There isn't anywhere they CAN spend money. Clothes are free, vacations, kitchen, motorcycles, toys....

Their mortgage is probably the only check they write every month.

 

[Promomx2]

what ever happened to Kate's appearances? Didn't I see she was supposed to appear in Texas soon?

 

[madge]

what ever happened to Kate's appearances? Didn't I see she was supposed to appear in Texas soon?

she was in Austin a couple of weeks ago. I think she starts weekend appearances again in September?

 

[mickey&minnie04]

Friday, August 14, 2009
Letter to Governor Schwarzenegger
http://www.abusewatch.net/

August 13, 2009

Open letter to:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and First Lady Maria Schriver
The Women’s Conference
The California Governor and First Lady's Conference on Women.

Re: Request for the removal of Kate Gosselin from your list of Women’s Conference speakers

Dear Governor and First Lady,

I am writing to register my and our organizations strongest opposition to Mrs. Kate Gosselin’s participation as a speaker in the upcoming October Women’s Conference.

Our organization, Child AbuseWatch.net, is a national child abuse prevention group. We speak for children who have no opportunity to speak for themselves.

We are in the midst of a campaign to have the Jon and Kate Plus 8 program removed from The Learning Channel’s line-up. This is due to what we perceive as sustained emotional child abuse and neglect by the parents; abuse that is packaged and broadcast weekly by TLC.

I have written to John Hendricks, TLC’s chairman twice, requesting intervention without result. Further, in July, we contacted the Pennsylvania Department of Children and Family services requesting that they open an investigation into how the children are being treated on and off the show.

Having Mrs. Gosselin speak at the conference is, in my opinion as a child advocate, an affront not only to the other speakers but also to your audience. Inviting her as an ‘author’ is a joke; her book was co-written by Beth Carson and Jon Gosselin. Inviting her as a mother is a cruel irony.

Ms. Gosselin is in the spotlight of media glare for all of the wrong reasons as anyone who has been to the supermarket or who goes on line will tell you. Infamy is not a reason to honor someone with an invitation to speak.

Child AbuseWatch.net feels so strongly about the plight of these young children that we are calling for a boycott of TLC’s advertisers until such time as the show is taken off the air.

I would appreciate if you would remove Mrs. Gosselin from your speaker roster. She is an unworthy contributor to your efforts and to the great speakers you have lined up this year.

You may see the letters written to TLC on our website: http://www.abusewatch.net/.

Sincerely yours,

Evin M. Daly
Founder, Executive Director
Guardian ad Litem (15th JC)
Child AbuseWatch.NET
www.abusewatch.net



Did anyone see this posted on Truth breeds hatred?? I don't go to that site often, but will once in awhile to see what they are saying. Child abuse?? Come on! These children are well cared for and despite their parents they seem to be happy! I said I wasn't goint to post anymore, but I just keep getting sucked in!!

 

[mousey]

Why do you think that? I've not seen anything that points to either Jn or Kate not saving money for the future. While I'm more inclined to think that Kate is the bigger saver over Jon (because I seldom see her with anything expensive), I also have not seen anything that points to them not loving their children and wanting to save for their futres.
If I was on a show, and people wanted to pay for things like a trip to Disney, or the beach, and that was going to be part of the show, anyway, why would I be expected to pay? Why is it a bad thing to accept it? Same with the clothes that Kate and the kids wear..why is it a bad thing that that is included with their pay?
Not being snarky..I honestly don't get why anyone would think that was bad.

Also curious as to where on the net that people think the show is boring. The people who say they are watching it on this thread have been saying it has been good, myself included. Tension seems to be gone and Kate and the kids seem to be having a lot of fun.

This is why people think the show is boring---they are tired of the show being a big informercial about whoever is giving them something or promoting their next vacation. Read any message board after an article on J & K and see what people are saying. You will be surprised. Multiple Blessings is down to .75 on an online bookstore. You really think Kate has a career as an author??
I never saw the globetrotters episode until a few weeks ago. Cara is pulled out on the floor and Mady looks like she lost her best friend. The next scene they are doing a meet and greet and Kate is repeating herself multiple times what you do for 1 you must do for 8, you must do for everyone--well guess what, not everyone got a basketball. Maybe they decided to give some to the group of disabled kids who didn't have the prime seats like the Gosselin's did. You see, its never enough for them--they always are going to want more.
Ratings are dropping and hopefully TLC will have the brains to drop this show.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Child abuse?? Come on! These children are well cared for and despite their parents they seem to be happy! I said I wasn't goint to post anymore, but I just keep getting sucked in!!

Exactly! It makes me angry because it is a slap in the face to children who truly are abused.

 

[DMRick]

Well, all the shows are infomercials. People will have to start turning off their TV's if they don't like it. I never said anything about Kate's book..but it doesn't surprise me that the price is now very low. It's been read (wasn't it a best seller?).. did you expect a book like that would stay on bookshelves and be re-read? Especially since there will be a divorce? I didn't.

Those ratings are still better than they were before all this mess started. I do think, if the show is still on, they will go lower as the kids get older, although right now those who do like the show (those who like it are less likely to comment on it on online blogs..usually only those who don't like something complain) think it's better than it has been. Many of the people that comment after articles have said they don't watch it (or they hate it, or Kate, or Jon, etc), and ask why are there so many articles about these people (as they read them and comment on them, and instill even more interest). These are the same people who had nothing good to say after the MJ articles. No matter what article is on these online rag mags, there will be negativity. Again, pretty much what I expect. I've never commented after one of those articles, and have no intention to. I don't really care if people like it or not. They really should just turn it off and stop talking about it if they don't like it.

I still say, that those who are so opposed need to stop watching the show, stop reading the articles, stop posting about it. If you hate something so much, why help create the interest that keeps this type of show going?

As for the basketball..I didn't give it a second thought. The whole time I'm watching the show, I'm not trying to figure out what Kate meant when she said stuff (did she mean if one was pulled out during the game, it should have been all of them, or did she mean when they do one on one time, or buy ice cream). You do know that many disabled kids do get special seats at the globetrotters games though, right? Or is that just when they play in our area? I have no idea if balls were given out to other kids..personally, when I've taken my kids, they've never said anything or appeared jealous when other kids were puilled out of the audience. Not even when it was their brother who ended up on stage at Sesame Street. They were actually excited for him. It's life.
Would some kids be disappointed if it wasn't them..I'm sure. Both Mady and Cara have had their special times.

This is why people think the show is boring---they are tired of the show being a big informercial about whoever is giving them something or promoting their next vacation. Read any message board after an article on J & K and see what people are saying. You will be surprised. Multiple Blessings is down to .75 on an online bookstore. You really think Kate has a career as an author??
I never saw the globetrotters episode until a few weeks ago. Cara is pulled out on the floor and Mady looks like she lost her best friend. The next scene they are doing a meet and greet and Kate is repeating herself multiple times what you do for 1 you must do for 8, you must do for everyone--well guess what, not everyone got a basketball. Maybe they decided to give some to the group of disabled kids who didn't have the prime seats like the Gosselin's did. You see, its never enough for them--they always are going to want more.
Ratings are dropping and hopefully TLC will have the brains to drop this show.

 

[DMRick]

Did anyone see this posted on Truth breeds hatred?? I don't go to that site often, but will once in awhile to see what they are saying. Child abuse?? Come on! These children are well cared for and despite their parents they seem to be happy! I said I wasn't goint to post anymore, but I just keep getting sucked in!!

Obviously they don't know the meaning of abuse. Where were they when a little girl in our town had bleach put in her eyes by her stepfather? Or when children that are beaten daily and then sent to school. Both cases reported to abuse hot lines, both put on the back burner.
Spend some time in the emergency rooms, and go after the parents of the children who are there with multiple broken bones, over and over. Go after the parents who use the money for food on drugs, go after the parents who leave their young children at night locked in an apartment, while they are out partying, and when the three year old fell out of the second story window, tell that little girl how the Gosselins are abusing their children. Good grief.

 

[newtodis]

Child abuse?? Come on! These children are well cared for and despite their parents they seem to be happy!

Agreed! There are children who are in far worse situations!

This is why people think the show is boring---they are tired of the show being a big informercial about whoever is giving them something or promoting their next vacation. Read any message board after an article on J & K and see what people are saying.

Multiple Blessings is down to .75 on an online bookstore. You really think Kate has a career as an author??

I never saw the globetrotters episode until a few weeks ago. Cara is pulled out on the floor and Mady looks like she lost her best friend. The next scene they are doing a meet and greet and Kate is repeating herself multiple times what you do for 1 you must do for 8, you must do for everyone--well guess what, not everyone got a basketball.

I think any "reality" show is an informercial these days and it's been done in movies and stuff for so long. Do I think it's fair that people who can afford anything they want (celebs in general) should get stuff for free?? No there are people out there who need it more than them...is there anything I can do about it? Not really.

I don't think the price of the used book surprises me that much honestly. I think there's a pretty small market - basically people who watch the show - and I got it from the library when I read it. I do love buying cheap used books though!

I tell people that all the time and I only have two...if you're bringing something for one, you'd better bring something for both of them or bring nothing at all. If you don't, the one thing you brought is instantly put up unless it's something they can do together. I do appreciate the gesture but don't want to listen to the whining and crying about who got what....I hear enough of that and can't imagine with eight at the same time! I do understand life's not always going to be "fair" - trust me I get that totally! When it's something you can control (even if you have to go to the concession stand to buy more of what the one got), for my own sanity, I try to keep it as fair as possible. If it's something where DS5 gets invited to something DS2 isn't invited to, they understand and that's how it goes. Does that make any sense?

Exactly! It makes me angry because it is a slap in the face to children who truly are abused.

Completely agree!

Obviously they don't know the meaning of abuse. Good grief.

Very good post! Been there, done that and would be the first to step up and say that based on the pictures and shows they're not being abused....their family pictures and outings are FAR from the ones I experienced growning up....

I watched part of the Octomom stuff last night and she got her digs into J&K a couple of different times in the little bit that I watched. One part was the bikini part that I think was linked here awhile back. I couldn't watch much of it - it was VERY loud and I could certainly tell it felt more like a home movie as opposed to watching J&K+8 - the camera person (who I think was also the "reporter") did an AWFUL job!

 

[MusiqChic99]

Obviously they don't know the meaning of abuse. Where were they when a little girl in our town had bleach put in her eyes by her stepfather? Or when children that are beaten daily and then sent to school. Both cases reported to abuse hot lines, both put on the back burner.
Spend some time in the emergency rooms, and go after the parents of the children who are there with multiple broken bones, over and over. Go after the parents who use the money for food on drugs, go after the parents who leave their young children at night locked in an apartment, while they are out partying, and when the three year old fell out of the second story window, tell that little girl how the Gosselins are abusing their children. Good grief.

Although there are different levels of abuse...I completely agree with what you are saying.

Even if you dont think it's right for them to keep up with the show...I dont believe they abuse their children.

 

[hbkfan637]

Did anyone see this posted on Truth breeds hatred?? I don't go to that site often, but will once in awhile to see what they are saying. Child abuse?? Come on! These children are well cared for and despite their parents they seem to be happy! I said I wasn't goint to post anymore, but I just keep getting sucked in!!

I agree, saying those kids are being abused is ridiculous and a slap in the face to real abused children. They are well feed, seem happy, and are very fortunate to receive all the opportunities they do because of the show.

This is why people think the show is boring---they are tired of the show being a big informercial about whoever is giving them something or promoting their next vacation. Read any message board after an article on J & K and see what people are saying. You will be surprised. Multiple Blessings is down to .75 on an online bookstore. You really think Kate has a career as an author??
I never saw the globetrotters episode until a few weeks ago. Cara is pulled out on the floor and Mady looks like she lost her best friend. The next scene they are doing a meet and greet and Kate is repeating herself multiple times what you do for 1 you must do for 8, you must do for everyone--well guess what, not everyone got a basketball. Maybe they decided to give some to the group of disabled kids who didn't have the prime seats like the Gosselin's did. You see, its never enough for them--they always are going to want more.
Ratings are dropping and hopefully TLC will have the brains to drop this show.

I noticed from previous posts that you tend to use the price of Kate's book as a indicator of their popularity.. which online bookstore has it at price? Amazon has it for $13.59 and I remember seeing it at Target a few weeks ago for a similar price. The third party sellers on Amazon are selling it for $0.91 but they tend to sell most, even popular books for a really low price. For example, a third party seller is selling Harry Potter 3 for $0.01.. I'm not saying its wrong to use it as a indicator, I'm just curious which store you're looking at.

Why do you think that? I've not seen anything that points to either Jn or Kate not saving money for the future. While I'm more inclined to think that Kate is the bigger saver over Jon (because I seldom see her with anything expensive), I also have not seen anything that points to them not loving their children and wanting to save for their futres.
If I was on a show, and people wanted to pay for things like a trip to Disney, or the beach, and that was going to be part of the show, anyway, why would I be expected to pay? Why is it a bad thing to accept it? Same with the clothes that Kate and the kids wear..why is it a bad thing that that is included with their pay?
Not being snarky..I honestly don't get why anyone would think that was bad.

Also curious as to where on the net that people think the show is boring. The people who say they are watching it on this thread have been saying it has been good, myself included. Tension seems to be gone and Kate and the kids seem to be having a lot of fun.

I agree, I don't understand the hate Kate & Jon get for taking the freebies from companies. I would if I was in that situation. I also don't see them as freebies.. Jon & Kate do work for the "free" trips, clothes, etc. They have to wear it, use it, visit it, etc. to promote/advertise it. That's why they receive the goods in the first place, the companies are not giving them out of the goodness of their hearts, they want their products to be advertised. It might be a super easy job but its the same as Paris Hilton being paid thousand of dollars to make an appearance at a club for 15 minutes. Besides, the companies get back a lot of business and interest because of Jon & Kate. I remember reading that the Crooked Houses people were bombarded with requests and that their website could not handle the traffic they received after the episode aired. I know there are a few things I want to do after learning about it from the show.

 

[hbkfan637]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/new-photos-life-goes-cameras-roll-gosselin-kids

How many nannies do they have? I thought there was only one who was Asian and full-time. That looks like Stephanie?

 

[disneychrista]

I tell people that all the time and I only have two...if you're bringing something for one, you'd better bring something for both of them or bring nothing at all.

I have never understood this. My kids dad remarried a lady with a son & a daughter (both younger then mine). There were times when we might have say two of the same barbie happy meal toy but my kids could/would not give it to their step-sister because the step-mom would not allow it if they didn't have anything for step-brother. To me this is silly.

Do both kids get presents on birthdays?

 

[whitneyNC]

I think many people who see the Gosselin situation as abusive are well aware of what abuse means. Emotional abuse is just as damaging (or more so) than the more visible and media ready physical abuse cases. Laws often don't protect kids from emotional abuse.

I don't define not being abused as them being well fed, having lots of material stuff and seeming happy. I have no idea if these kids are abused, neglected or doted on and showered with self esteem building interactions. Saying as a TV viewer on a message board one is certain these kids aren't (or are) abused can't be valid. Abuse is often silent, hidden and takes lots of forms.

I have seen things on the show that make me very uncomfortable and the whole voyeuristic vibe is not for me anymore. What I see is what becomes my reality. Everyone's perception is a bit different, but I didn't see many things I consider to be indicative of a healthy family relationship portrayed on the show.

 

[MAKmom]

I think many people who see the Gosselin situation as abusive are well aware of what abuse means. Emotional abuse is just as damaging (or more so) than the more visible and media ready physical abuse cases. Laws often don't protect kids from emotional abuse.

I don't define not being abused as them being well fed, having lots of material stuff and seeming happy. I have no idea if these kids are abused, neglected or doted on and showered with self esteem building interactions. Saying as a TV viewer on a message board one is certain these kids aren't (or are) abused can't be valid. Abuse is often silent, hidden and takes lots of forms.

I have seen things on the show that make me very uncomfortable and the whole voyeuristic vibe is not for me anymore. What I see is what becomes my reality. Everyone's perception is a bit different, but I didn't see many things I consider to be indicative of a healthy family relationship portrayed on the show.

What does is a healthy family relationship mean to you.

Is it how your family is? How does your kids relationship with you differ from Kates or Jons relationship with theirs kids.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/new-photos-life-goes-cameras-roll-gosselin-kids

How many nannies do they have? I thought there was only one who was Asian and full-time. That looks like Stephanie?

I thought it was Stephanie at first too. This link shows better upclose photos of this nanny.

http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2144141/kate-gosselin-eats-corn-on-the-cob-03/

After looking closer at the pics of the corn husking and of online photos of Stephanie Santoro, this is a different nanny. She is much prettier than Stephanie.

 

[mousey]

Good post whitneync. Abuse does take many forms. The Gosselin children have no privacy. Their life is out their for whoever wants to view it. Do you think if they had a photo shoot planned and the six pack decided they didn't want to be photographed that day, it would be cancelled--yeah right.
Also, I have a right to post here if I watch the show or not, hate or love the show or hate or love Jon & Kate. I'm sorry that some people feel they are a spokesperson for the family.
I'm so sick and tired of people who feel this family deserves and earn everything they get. Just because this dis group feels sorry for this family, 95% of the other sites can't stand them.

 

[madge]

I tell people that all the time and I only have two...if you're bringing something for one, you'd better bring something for both of them or bring nothing at all. If you don't, the one thing you brought is instantly put up unless it's something they can do together. I do appreciate the gesture but don't want to listen to the whining and crying about who got what....I hear enough of that and can't imagine with eight at the same time! I do understand life's not always going to be "fair" - trust me I get that totally! When it's something you can control (even if you have to go to the concession stand to buy more of what the one got), for my own sanity, I try to keep it as fair as possible. If it's something where DS5 gets invited to something DS2 isn't invited to, they understand and that's how it goes. Does that make any sense?

it does, I guess ... in that I understand what you're saying, not that I agree with it... but every parent has to do what works for them.

I'm curious, though. what do you do for birthdays? do both children get gifts on each birthday?

 

[newtodis]

To me this is silly.

Do both kids get presents on birthdays?

I'm sorry you see it that way. I also should have explained myself a bit more. This is mainly a focus for something's that not directed at a specific one of my kids - like Halloween or Thanksgiving or Valentines (yes people give us gifts for these holidays.... ) or just a random "grandma's sending a package to spoil the grandkids". In those instances, it's something for everyone - not just Corbin's birthday. If you're sending a Valentine to one grandchild, send one to both and vice versa. Like I said before, it's easier for me so for right now that works. Is that the best answer, no not really but it's honest and that's all I can give y'all.

As for birthdays, yes my kids both get presents on the other's birthday - not from us (DH and I) but from others....do I agree, not necessarily but it's not a huge problem.

Abuse does take many forms.

Also, I have a right to post here if I watch the show or not, hate or love the show or hate or love Jon & Kate. I'm sorry that some people feel they are a spokesperson for the family. Just because this dis group feels sorry for this family, 95% of the other sites can't stand them.

Completely agree as a child/young adult who was severly abused. From what I see with the Gosselin kids (granted it's the stuff posted here or that I see on the show), I don't see them as being abused basing that on my mental, physical and sexual abuse I've encountered in my life. Again JMHO. I would hope the children are receiving care and evaluations either by their parents taking them somewhere or a couselor at school speaking with them and making referrals to other sources as needed.

it does, I guess ... in that I understand what you're saying, not that I agree with it... but every parent has to do what works for them.

I'm curious, though. what do you do for birthdays? do both children get gifts on each birthday?

Glad I made a bit of sense! It's ok to not agree!

Yes the boys do get gifts on the other's birthdays - not from DH and myself but from others. I mainly try to "enforce" my "fairness" when it's more random things if that makes any sense.

 

[whitneyNC]

What does is a healthy family relationship mean to you.
Is it how your family is? How does your kids relationship with you differ from Kates or Jons relationship with theirs kids.

I was mostly thinking about mutual respect, kindness, compassion and empathy. But there are lots more things I believe they may be lacking...

My family's relationships seem nowhere similar to what we see on the Gosselin's show, or read about this family. We are FAR from perfect, and if filmed for posterity would see many, many faults and embarrassing moments. That's part of the reason I think the invasiveness of the show may not be healthy. Nobody wants parenting mistakes or sibling issues replayed over and over again.