Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[Buckalew11]

Question - how do you know Jon doesn't do things for the kids even though he says he does? The bolded comment above just really stuck out to me this morning.

I am not saying he doesn't do things for the kids: feeding, bathing clothing etc. I am sure he still does that when he is home as does Kate. It is part of being a good parent and I do not doubt that these people take care of these kids' needs.

However, what I was saying is that they both seemed programmed to give the pat answer "it is all for the kids" and "I'm there for my kids" or "the kids deserve it" etc. They both say these same phrases over and over and over. I think we both agree that all that they do is not all for the kids.

Jon running around with other women (whether he is cheating or not) is NOT for his kids, buying young women purses/clothes etc. is NOT for the kids--that is what I'm trying to say. Kate being away from home on a book tour isn't "for the kids" IMHO, it is for promotion on the book and while that will help the kids in the long run financially, I personally think her time could be better spent with her family.

That's all I meant. I'm not calling him a bad dad. I do think the most important gift 2 parents can give their child is too love one another sincerely. My parents could not have given me a greater gift than to have been happily married for 50 years.

I think what Madge was trying to say (and correct me if I'm wrong Madge) was that at one time, Kate's appearance wasn't as important as it seems to be now. She was not a morning person before, but now she gets up at 5 am to keep herself in shape.

I believe it is to keep up her "celebrity" appearance. Look at her now, she is completely tanned, manicured nails to perfection, high heels and mini skirts, leather jackets, perfect hair, blah, blah blah. Not that I begrudge anyone that, but her priorities are different now, it seems.

I understand her priorities are probably different. I think life goes in phases/waves sometimes. I think kate explained it well when she said that when she was home all the time and they were little, there was no need to dress up in anything better than a tee-shirt and sweats. I can relate. But now that they are older, she wants to look nicer than that. She's out and about more--even at home. With or w/o cameras although there always seems to be cameras around.

I'm a perfect hair person. Even when my hair is less than perfect, people think it is perfect, lol. After I ran the 1/2 at WDW I had a lady come up to me in the hotel and say, "I remember seeing you run by--you had the best hair!" I called my hairdresser and shared that one with her! I'm tanned with no manicure and have a short (not mini) skirt on today (no heels ) I'm hardly high maintenance but most people would wonder "where is she going?" It's just the way I am. Hair and makeup 99% of the time. Some people are just like that, some aren't.

A few years ago, when staying at home, I looked more plain than this because no one was going to see me anyway. I don't know, I can just relate to this type of change is all...
I also think wheover said that she may be trying to compete with Jon's younger interests may be right. I am sure that would be tough compete with. She probably feels threatened. And yeah, I think Kate could feel very threatened even if we don't see her that way.

I agree. Holy cow, I'm lucky to wash my hair (I'm a stay at home Mom and homeschool) and get a shower in much less tan, get my nails done and forget about getting up at 5:00am! Her priorites are different, most Moms of young children I know don't look like that...who goes to Target in a mini skirt and heels? Not a 34 year old Mom, at least that I'm aware of where I live...



Most people tend to look good for their wedding photos/videos right? That's the one time you really want to be sure you look good. The honeymoon videos/pics she looked normal...hair in a messy ponytail and shorts with a shirt. Compared to now, well, it's obvious (to me) that she is working hard to keep her image up because she is on TV and followed by the paps. For the record, I have no problem with looking good. I wish I looked good more often actually! I'm just saying that Kate seems to be 2 extremes. Look at the Hollywood celebs, they always look good because they know people will be following taking pictures.

Where is Kate from? I'm curious.

Very often I see pics of Hollywood celebs and they do not look put together. I am sure if we would all prepare a little more if there were cameras around all the time though. I did see those photos of Kate from justjared where she had the ballcap (black) on. She didn't look put together at all in those!

 

[newtodis]

From the J&K facebook page, pictures from tonight's shows:

Jon and Kate Plus 8 Hi Everyone! Tonight's episode features Kate's birthday and a trip with the kids to Charm City Cakes. Get a preview by looking at some of these photos from the day.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=86822558140&h=9-IUE&u=-ruIj&ref=nf

 

[Buckalew11]

I called this one! Woo-Hoo for me.

Well ther you go, they are good friends. That explains the b**b job and any other nips and tucks. Always good to have doctors or lawyers in the inner cirlce, $avings.

I still don't see it. If I were her and paid for that, I'd want my money back because I think she could use a lift (imo). She looks no different from me in that department and I'll tell you, my sisters have both accused me of a **** job and the answer is NO. I have no idea where they came from but it wasn't from the doctor! I think I was a very late bloomer.

 

[madge]

Maybe that's how Kate got her new figure, from her "friend" that gave her the tummy tuck. Perhaps he worked on the top part of her body.

if he did, it was a separate surgery .. she hinted for a **** job (during the episode) and was turned down.

 

[Kycha]

Well ther you go, they are good friends. That explains the b**b job and any other nips and tucks. Always good to have doctors or lawyers in the inner cirlce, $avings.

Does anyone know what the typical recovery time is for a b@@b job? I'm just wondering if Kate has even had the time to get one. If she had one, it has been pretty recent(in the last 4 months). And she has been pretty busy raising her family, with the book tour, filming of the show, etc. Don't the people over on GWoP keep track of Kate's every move? How could she have slipped in surgery without anyone knowing it?

 

[madge]

I try to always look good, I can tell you that no one is taking my pic lol. We really can't judge cause we never know what she looked like before the twins or after the twins.

what about all the videos they shot on their honeymoon, when they got engaged, etc? I'm watching the E! special right now, and there was video shown from before she had any of the children.

 

[mommytobug]

I have a few thoughts to share. I am 41. I started gaining weight in my late 20's related to hormonal issues (full hysterectomy by 27). We adopted our dd when I was 30. Of course, she came first. I never buy myself new clothes, shoes or anything else for that matter. I LOVED and LOVE being a mom. DD was always dressed head to toe in gymbo, gap, smocked, whatever. Well, over the last few months I have watched this transformation with Kate and I will say that it has motivated me. I was always the tiny one in high school. Cute, did not even need makeup. So, I have ordered a few new things from Ann Taylor Loft (yes I love what she is wearing), gotten a new haircut and have started walking on the treadmill. I am doing this for me. I am doing it for my DD and i am doing it for my hubby whom I adore. I want to look better, be more healthy, and feel better. I am not looking for a mid life crisis affair, and I am not looking to change my values. I am hoping to just feel better. Now, i will say there have been several couples in the small town I live in who are divorcing now and most of the women had lost a lot of weight which really confuses me. So, maybe Kate finally had some time for her, had money to do these things, and wanted to feel better. I HATE mornings but my goal is to walk on my treadmill early and late. Just a thought on a regular fat frumpy 41 year old that has no goals with this weight loss but to feel better and maybe make my hubby think I am more of a hotty than he already does (yes he must really love me-because I am not!)

 

[davidsprincess]

Yes, Kate is a mother(and always will) and for now a wife.(hopefully they can work things out), but she is also a woman. There is nothing wrong with her looking after herself. She is 34! She doesn't stop being a woman just because she has kids. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in how you look and feel. If that were the case, then most of us wouldn't bother to eat healthy, exercise, go get our hair cut and by clothes. Her children are not going to be at home forever. No harm in looking after yourself.
Now that my daughter has gotten older I am trying to make sure my hair is done, I have makeup on and not in my pj's all day. I want her to grow up feeling good about herself and taking pride in who she is. Inside and out. She will not learn that from anyone else but me. I want her to know that it is okay to care for everyone else, but it is also okay to care for herself.
Now, if wearing makeup or doing your hair in not your thing. Great, fine, but please don't knock it for any of us that do.

 

[newtodis]

However, what I was saying is that they both seemed programmed to give the pat answer "it is all for the kids" and "I'm there for my kids" or "the kids deserve it" etc. They both say these same phrases over and over and over. I think we both agree that all that they do is not all for the kids.

That's all I meant. I'm not calling him a bad dad. I do think the most important gift 2 parents can give their child is too love one another sincerely. My parents could not have given me a greater gift than to have been happily married for 50 years.

Where is Kate from? I'm curious.

I do think they both have some "safe" answers - the "here for the kids" type to "avoid (for lack of a better word) some issues or having to really answer the questions being asked of them. I don't think it's "all for the kids" as J&K are both benefitting as well but I can also see where they may be thinking "this is it" and making one last dash at the cash cow before it dies and having to tell themselves "it's for the kids" that they're doing this. Do I agree with that? Yes and no....

I do have to disagree on this: "I do think the most important gift 2 parents can give their child is too love one another sincerely." My parents are divorced and it was the best thing in the world for both of them to do. They weren't home at the same times and when they were it was bad to say the least. The best thing they did for my brother and myself was to be in two seperate places and get a divorce. I think children of divorce can be successful and there are many single parents (from rapes, adoptions, horrible accidents where a parent is killed) that can show kids are ok with one parent and don't need to see their parents love each other. Ideally everyone would stay together and be happy all of the time - in reality though, that's not always possible and many times for the best from my experience.

I think Kate's from the "area" because her dad's a pastor there. I know I've read that she grew up in a trailer park but I don't know that I've ever actually read where (what city) she's from.

Well, over the last few months I have watched this transformation with Kate and I will say that it has motivated me. I was always the tiny one in high school. Cute, did not even need makeup. So, I have ordered a few new things from Ann Taylor Loft (yes I love what she is wearing), gotten a new haircut and have started walking on the treadmill. I am doing this for me. I am doing it for my DD and i am doing it for my hubby whom I adore. I want to look better, be more healthy, and feel better. I am not looking for a mid life crisis affair, and I am not looking to change my values. I am hoping to just feel better.

I think that's wonderful for you!! It's always great to feel good about yourself and spend time on yourself. I'm glad that Kate was the motivation for you. Good luck!!

 

[KiKi Mouse]

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I keep thinking before too long this show will be more suited to MTV or VH1 than TLC. Maybe that's where we'll see the kids in a few years & that will be so sad!

They'll be on Celebrity Rehab.

 

[newtodis]

I want her to know that it is okay to care for everyone else, but it is also okay to care for herself.
Now, if wearing makeup or doing your hair in not your thing. Great, fine, but please don't knock it for any of us that do.

I think that's a great lesson to teach your daughter! I don't think anyone was saying that women who wear makeup or do their hair had anything wrong with them. I'd love to have the time in the morning to do my hair and put makeup and all before I go to work. It just doesn't work into my morning schedule (except on a rare occassion). I totally agree that it's some women's "thing" and not others. My previous job I worked in a very professional (they thought they were) office environment where we had some pretty strict rules about what we could/couldn't wear and things. I hated every day getting up and having to get dressed to their "standards". I'm a grown woman I can decide what's professional. Now I work in a fire station and get to wear a "uniform" (black pants and a white shirt) four days a week and put my hair in a pony tail every day. I much more enjoy the pont tail and less fuss getting dressed every morning. Getting a "primped" is just not my thing. Am I going to tell other people to stop? Certainly not so long as you're not taking away from anything else (like feeding the kids breakfast or something as an example) if that's something you enjoy.

 

[newtodis]

I think this is an interesting interaction between Beth and the writer of this blog (granted it's older from 2007):

http://www.blisstree.com/articles/kate-gosselin-times-person-of-the-year-28/

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Yes, Kate is a mother(and always will) and for now a wife.(hopefully they can work things out), but she is also a woman. There is nothing wrong with her looking after herself. She is 34! She doesn't stop being a woman just because she has kids. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in how you look and feel. If that were the case, then most of us wouldn't bother to eat healthy, exercise, go get our hair cut and by clothes. Her children are not going to be at home forever. No harm in looking after yourself.
Now that my daughter has gotten older I am trying to make sure my hair is done, I have makeup on and not in my pj's all day. I want her to grow up feeling good about herself and taking pride in who she is. Inside and out. She will not learn that from anyone else but me. I want her to know that it is okay to care for everyone else, but it is also okay to care for herself.
Now, if wearing makeup or doing your hair in not your thing. Great, fine, but please don't knock it for any of us that do.

I absolutely would never knock anyone who takes care of themselves. My goodness, I wear make-up when out and about and try to look half-way decent, though it was a good year before I got a haircut (I'm ashamed to say).

I NEED to be working out everyday, but I'm a full-time working mom who drives to and picks her son up from daycare everyday after working all day, come home to do laundry, cook supper, clean up after cooked supper, pick up toys around the house and tidy up a bit, bathe DS4, put on his jammies, fix his before bed glass of milk, tuck him in, and pray I have some energy to spend on hubby.

We all have responsibilities, but for me, these particular responsibilities take priority with me, personally. Do I feel bad about gaining the extra weight? Heck Yeah! Do I have the time right now to take an extra few minutes for myself and exercise? Probably. But, every once in awhile, I'd like to take a break (sleep, sit down), LOL!

So, I'm not knocking anyone who does these things at all. My point being with Kate is it just seems to be that she is doing this to keep up her "celebrity" image. Too much of a drastic change makes me wonder what the heck is going on? She seems self-absorbed to me, but that's JMHO. And not at all interested in her children. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

 

[MoniqueU]

I have a few thoughts to share. I am 41. I started gaining weight in my late 20's related to hormonal issues (full hysterectomy by 27). We adopted our dd when I was 30. Of course, she came first. I never buy myself new clothes, shoes or anything else for that matter. I LOVED and LOVE being a mom. DD was always dressed head to toe in gymbo, gap, smocked, whatever. Well, over the last few months I have watched this transformation with Kate and I will say that it has motivated me. I was always the tiny one in high school. Cute, did not even need makeup. So, I have ordered a few new things from Ann Taylor Loft (yes I love what she is wearing), gotten a new haircut and have started walking on the treadmill. I am doing this for me. I am doing it for my DD and i am doing it for my hubby whom I adore. I want to look better, be more healthy, and feel better. I am not looking for a mid life crisis affair, and I am not looking to change my values. I am hoping to just feel better. Now, i will say there have been several couples in the small town I live in who are divorcing now and most of the women had lost a lot of weight which really confuses me. So, maybe Kate finally had some time for her, had money to do these things, and wanted to feel better. I HATE mornings but my goal is to walk on my treadmill early and late. Just a thought on a regular fat frumpy 41 year old that has no goals with this weight loss but to feel better and maybe make my hubby think I am more of a hotty than he already does (yes he must really love me-because I am not!)

I am like you, I just turned 35 and starting last summer I started losing weight, buying cuter less frumpy clothes and got a fashionable haircut. I am also doing it for me as well as my kids and my DH. I like that I feel better and have better self esteem.

I say good for Kate. I don't see all the bashing because she is putting some time and effort into looking good as anything but jealousy, enby and plain sour grapes. If I had 8 kids I would have a nanny too!!! Is she perfect no, noone is. Is jon perfect no he isn't either. But to slam someone for looking good even through surgery is a bit much for me.

 

[kidshop]

I think this is an interesting interaction between Beth and the writer of this blog (granted it's older from 2007):

http://www.blisstree.com/articles/kate-gosselin-times-person-of-the-year-28/

Where is Beth today? She was on the show at the time this was written. I imagine it will come out eventually. It would be nice if they were still friends.

 

[Epcot luvr]

I'm sure Jon will be sporting a slimmer waistline soon. Lipo can be your friend.

He has put on bit in the midsection. His hair in the front looks pretty good, but it seems like the back did not reseed well. I think hairplugs are just weird, I like men who sport the natural look or just shave their heads if they do not like being light on the top. There are plenty of sexy men out there with bald heads, IMOP. He has been wearing some fancy shades too. Luckily I do not have a camera following me, I would probably told to change a thing or 2.

 

[happygirl]

what about all the videos they shot on their honeymoon, when they got engaged, etc? I'm watching the E! special right now, and there was video shown from before she had any of the children.

I think she looks like she does now

 

[nuke]

He has put on bit in the midsection. His hair in the front looks pretty good, but it seems like the back did not reseed well. I think hairplugs are just weird, I like men who sport the natural look or just shave their heads if they do not like being light on the top. There are plenty of sexy men out there with bald heads, IMOP. He has been wearing some fancy shades too. Luckily I do not have a camera following me, I would probably told to change a thing or 2.

I agree that hairplugs are weird. I have a balding hubby and I like it!

On another note,I really don't think there is anything wrong with Kate working out and trying to look good.

 

[Epcot luvr]

Does anyone know what the typical recovery time is for a b@@b job? I'm just wondering if Kate has even had the time to get one. If she had one, it has been pretty recent(in the last 4 months). And she has been pretty busy raising her family, with the book tour, filming of the show, etc. Don't the people over on GWoP keep track of Kate's every move? How could she have slipped in surgery without anyone knowing it?

I do not have one, not that I have not thought about it. I am just a big woosy. I do have a relative and a friend who told nobody but there husbands and me, they bit the bullet and were up the day after. You can't lift anything but, they want you moviing around. My relative has an incredible tollerance for pain she had a 10lber, breach, no drugs!!!!! I will spare the details on that. She was on the phone with me right after the surgery and her 4 kids had no clue, it can be done.

 

[Epcot luvr]

I agree that hairplugs are weird. I have a balding hubby and I like it!

On another note,I really don't think there is anything wrong with Kate working out and trying to look good.

I agree working out is great, you want to try and be a good example for your kids. I have no problem with that. And if she got herself a nip or tuck, I am fine with that . And if she does not want to say that is fine too. People will speculate and if it doesn't bother her what people think, she only has herself to answer to.