Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[madge]

Ok OT but I need to share.....spent $209.87 at Kroger, Publix and CVS today and saved $248.79!!! It's also my first shopping trip in three weeks!! I love my bargins and coupons!!

Ok back on topic...I love the cute Hawaiian-ish shirts the boys have been wearing on vacation! Too cute!!

If you could ask Kate any question and she had to answer, what would you ask???

I never, ever, ever get coupons that good. ever. and I am so jealous of you having a CVS. We don't have one here!

GREAT job!

 

[LoraJ]

it took me a couple of tries -- but when you enter Steve Neild on the website I linked to, it shows that he has 2 addresses. One in Maryland, and the other is in Wernersville, Pennsylvania.

as for what that means? I have NO idea... it may mean absolutely nothing, but I find it curious. why would he need a Pennsylvania address? (she says, in a genuinely questioning, not snarky, way)

I have a co-worker who lives half the week in FL with his family and the other half in NJ for his job. It's possible he has a place in PA for when he is working when J & K are home.

I feel bad for his wife. There is no way I would put up with it.

 

[madge]

I feel bad for his wife. There is no way I would put up with it.

I wouldn't either. because we've talked about how much Kate has been away recently. He's with her all the time she's away and when she's home filming episodes. (wasn't he seen in their town when she went to the Party store?) Even now, Kate's with the children and he's with them. he hasn't had much chance to be home.

there is a chance his wife is in NC with them, but goodness .. he's with the family a lot.

 

[disneymarie]

it took me a couple of tries -- but when you enter Steve Neild on the website I linked to, it shows that he has 2 addresses. One in Maryland, and the other is in Wernersville, Pennsylvania.

as for what that means? I have NO idea... it may mean absolutely nothing, but I find it curious. why would he need a Pennsylvania address? (she says, in a genuinely questioning, not snarky, way)

Many of those type of records are from utility bills. If he had gotten a cell phone plan in the area and used the address locally, or if he had lived in MD and moved to PA the address will show up.

It is surprising that he only has two addresses. Some people as my dil come up with mutiple addresses. She was a flight attendent. Lived in CO. TX, OR, OH and PA. Each place shoes on hers...

Eample:zabasearch.com
S NEILD Get More Information Record Created: 01/2006
706 GORMLEY DR Satellite Photo & Map Check for Email Address Google
ROCKVILLE, MD 20850 (301) 294-7530 Confirm Current Phone & Address
Complete Report on S NEILD


S NEILD Get More Information Record Created: 01/2006
706 GORMLEY DR Satellite Photo & Map Check for Email Address Google
ROCKVILLE, MD 20850 (301) 762-6362 Confirm Current Phone & Address
Complete Report on S NEILD

Note two listings and two different phone numbers.
Just an examples.

 

[mrsksomeday]

Are those supposedly his phone numbers? I would edit that out, I know it might be public record but I wouldn't want my phone number or address on here.

 

[KristiKelly]

Ok OT but I need to share.....spent $209.87 at Kroger, Publix and CVS today and saved $248.79!!! It's also my first shopping trip in three weeks!! I love my bargins and coupons!!

Ok back on topic...I love the cute Hawaiian-ish shirts the boys have been wearing on vacation! Too cute!!

If you could ask Kate any question and she had to answer, what would you ask???[/QUOTE]

Your marriage fell apart, was it worth it?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well, everyone here is certainly allowed their opinions and no one here has to agree with everything they read. I don't necessarily agree with those here who are so "pro-Kate", but I don't comment or need to know WHY they like her so much. That's their right.

I happen to not like Kate, but get criticized for my opinions (people asking me why I feel this way or why I feel that way and taking comments that I say out of context and applying them to themselves (i.e. - taking it as a personal assault, for which it was not intended.)

I used to think this board was a friendly debate board, but too many of you on here take the comments too personally and frankly, it annoys me. And because of that, I think I will just lurk here and not post any more opinions, on this thread anyways.

I LOVE DIS! And I love the posters here, but I guess I feel that too many of us take this Jon and Kate subject to heart and turn the comments made into personal insults. I don't want to feel like I am making personal attacks anymore and I get tired of explaining myself.

Don't be too mad at me! I don't mean to be rude or anything, I just feel like maybe it's time for me to move on...

Love you all!

I'm sorry to hear you feel this way. I understand what you mean, I think we all kind of do...it's such a heated topic because most of us on here are parents and well, that tends to bring out very strong opinions. Personally, I've felt like you, that Kate makes me crazy about certain things. Sometimes people jump all over the comments sometimes they don't. I love this thread since it's very interesting (and sometimes downright hilarious!) to see the opposite views. There's no way we'll all agree on J&K+8. I know some people feel that you have to defend your opinion and unless you do, they're not quite satisfied with your post. I don't feel that way. I like that this is an open discussion. I hope I didn't say anything offensive either!

 

[Sandy321]

Has anyone posted this article from a Minister that is from the subdivision J&K used to live in? Its really poignant. and sad.

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html

I live in a little neighborhood in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania, whose name has recently gotten increased publicity. It's called Westbrooke. We moved here in 1991 and were part of a small, very friendly, and intimate group of 37 young families who built our homes on the two streets that made up our development. We literally all knew each other. There was one way in and one way out of neighborhood. We walked, talked, played, cooked-out, shared meals, and waved at each other all the time. After a few years, a couple streets were added and our neighborhood more than doubled in size. Still, we remained fairly close. In fact, this Saturday we're having our annual neighborhood yard sale. There's still only one way in and one way out of our neighborhood. All this to say, while it has been decreasing in recent years because of mobility and change, friendliness and community has always been a mark of our neighborhood.

One of those original houses was built by the parents of the female half of my next door neighbors. I can look out my CPYU office window (which sits just across the street from that one entrance to our neighborhood), and still see that house. Tragically, my neighbor's father succumbed to cancer several years ago. Then three years ago, his widow was killed in a car accident. The brick house they had built on Andrew Avenue went up for sale. I can still remember my next door neighbor coming over in 2006 and saying, "We sold the house. Guess who's moving in?" I had no clue. He replied, "The sextuplet family." I had read about the local family in the newspaper because of the multiple births. But I knew little more. At that point, I don't think there was even a show. We were getting new neighbors. Not celebrities.

To be honest, I thought how fortunate it was that the Gosselin family was moving into a good neighborhood, especially under their circumstances. This was a family who would most likely need lots of help and support, and our neighbors had a history of generously giving it. In fact, back in 1991, the neighborhood pulled together to care for a young bed-ridden mother-to-be who lived in the house just across the street and to the left of the Gosselin house. She was locked-in a high-risk pregnancy with quadruplets. My wife, along with most of the other wives in the neighborhood, cooked their meals, tended to their needs, and sat for hours each day with the expectant mom over the course of several months. If help was needed, Westbrooke was a great place to find it.

(its a long article, but very poignant imho)

 

[Kycha]

You know..that's why I seem to defend Kate so much...because some people are so freaking nit picky that they criticize everything the woman does.

See, that is how I feel. I am in no way a Kate lover. But I am probably perceived that way on this thread because I feel a need to "defend" Kate and present another view point to some posts.

I have been on this thread since the very beginning. Believe it or not, it started out as a fan thread. It very quickly turned into something else. Quite frankly, this thread has ruined my enjoyment of the show. I watch the show and am constantly thinking how people are going to spin something simple or innocent into something negative. That saying about ignorance being bliss is so true.

For a long time, I stopped posting on this thread and even watching the show. I found myself investing too much time in the whole Jon & Kate plus 8 subject/debate. Seriously, why should I care what they do with their lives? And why should I let someone else's post, that's not even about me, upset me so much? I had to walk away.

Anyway, would it help if we had 2 different threads??? One for the "lovers" and one for the "haters"(btw, I hate both those terms).

it took me a couple of tries -- but when you enter Steve Neild on the website I linked to, it shows that he has 2 addresses. One in Maryland, and the other is in Wernersville, Pennsylvania.

as for what that means? I have NO idea... it may mean absolutely nothing, but I find it curious. why would he need a Pennsylvania address? (she says, in a genuinely questioning, not snarky, way)

I just assumed they were 2 different people. Maybe the Stephen Neild in Maryland is his father or son or even someone completely unrelated.

 

[phamton]

Has anyone posted this article from a Minister that is from the subdivision J&K used to live in? Its really poignant. and sad.

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html

Thanks for posting that link . It was very well written and poignant.

 

[KSchwagg86]

Has anyone posted this article from a Minister that is from the subdivision J&K used to live in? Its really poignant. and sad.

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html

I live in a little neighborhood in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania, whose name has recently gotten increased publicity. It's called Westbrooke. We moved here in 1991 and were part of a small, very friendly, and intimate group of 37 young families who built our homes on the two streets that made up our development. We literally all knew each other. There was one way in and one way out of neighborhood. We walked, talked, played, cooked-out, shared meals, and waved at each other all the time. After a few years, a couple streets were added and our neighborhood more than doubled in size. Still, we remained fairly close. In fact, this Saturday we're having our annual neighborhood yard sale. There's still only one way in and one way out of our neighborhood. All this to say, while it has been decreasing in recent years because of mobility and change, friendliness and community has always been a mark of our neighborhood.

One of those original houses was built by the parents of the female half of my next door neighbors. I can look out my CPYU office window (which sits just across the street from that one entrance to our neighborhood), and still see that house. Tragically, my neighbor's father succumbed to cancer several years ago. Then three years ago, his widow was killed in a car accident. The brick house they had built on Andrew Avenue went up for sale. I can still remember my next door neighbor coming over in 2006 and saying, "We sold the house. Guess who's moving in?" I had no clue. He replied, "The sextuplet family." I had read about the local family in the newspaper because of the multiple births. But I knew little more. At that point, I don't think there was even a show. We were getting new neighbors. Not celebrities.

To be honest, I thought how fortunate it was that the Gosselin family was moving into a good neighborhood, especially under their circumstances. This was a family who would most likely need lots of help and support, and our neighbors had a history of generously giving it. In fact, back in 1991, the neighborhood pulled together to care for a young bed-ridden mother-to-be who lived in the house just across the street and to the left of the Gosselin house. She was locked-in a high-risk pregnancy with quadruplets. My wife, along with most of the other wives in the neighborhood, cooked their meals, tended to their needs, and sat for hours each day with the expectant mom over the course of several months. If help was needed, Westbrooke was a great place to find it.

(its a long article, but very poignant imho)

Thanks, I really enjoyed this article

 

[DMRick]

I don't get it. Are you saying that if you say Kate shouldn't be in a short skirt, we should just ignore what you said and not give our opinion? How quickly this would be a dull board.

I was never a big Kate fan, but as his board turned into a board that talked more and more about the picky stuff, I did post my opinions. I have also asked why someone would feel the way they posted. It's called discussion. Discussion is what has kept this board going. Many of us only have our own experiences to go by and those do creep into the discussion. Some of us are parents (and believe it or not, not all the parents think the show should end..at least not yet, but it may come to it, with all the garbage out there now), some are Kate's age and like her hair and clothes, some are Kate's age and hate ther hair and clothes. Some of us think no matter what Kate does, she's wrong, some think she's right, some aren't sure, etc.

There truly wouldn't be much to this board if we weren't 'allowed' to have our opinions, just like you have yours, or if we weren't allowed to ask why you would feel a certain way, depending on if someone was smiling, if one of the tups looked sad, etc. When I do watch the show now, I do feel like the other person said, that each time Kate does anything, it does pop into my mind..gee what will be made of that. OH OH, Kate looked up, she must want the pap to take her picture, OH OH, Kate isn't smiling, and I think she just yelled at a tup, OH OH, Kate is wearing high shoes, she is so in trouble. It just seems, even if you dislike Kate, surely there must be something she does, that doesn't have a sinister meaning. So I am guilty as charged. When someone posts about something that Kate has done, that seems innocent to me, I do ask why a poster sees somehing bad in it. Because I really want to konw, nt because I am saying you can't have your opinion. Someone asked me today what I like about Kate. I was actually surprised that I could think of so many things. I actually was surprised that no one counterpointed everything I said, because it does seem to me, that often most think she doesn't have a kind bone in her body.
All that said, I like hearing all the different views and as I said to someone in a PM earlier, I too like to play Devil's Advocate. I would miss any of you, if you left.

Hey folks, I'm on a lousy internet service for the weekend, can you all please wait until Sunday night to post

 

[brittsmum1998]

I completely get what you are saying and left the thread myself a few weeks ago for the same reason. I felt ganged up on and I felt that every word I said was being scrutinized.

This is not a true example but didn't want to list the true examples so no one would say i was pointing a finger at them. So here is what i hope will be a funny example:

Me: "OMG, Kate has dyed her hair pink. It looks terrible!"

Another poster: "Why do you care what color she dyed her hair?"

Next poster: "My daughter has pink hair and I think it looks adorable. My daughter is valedictorian of her high school and prom queen."

And another poster: "Can't Kate do anything right in you people's eyes? How do you know that she didn't dye it pink as a special gift for her kid's birthday? Hannah mentioned that she loves pink hair. Sometimes we do outrageous things to make our kids happy."

Then someone else says: "Well of course she had to dye her hair to avoid the P people. It's only a disguise. Give the lady some privacy."

Another poster: "Well, her hair is naturally purple. She hasn't had time to get a real dye job. Maybe it's just faded in the sunlight. I think some of you are jealous because you don't have naturally purple hair like Kate."

And another poster says: "No one cared when Jon covered his gray hair black so why pick on Kate? Jon's been dying his hair much longer than Kate."

And finally: "It's only hair. Jeez, some people were find the most insignificant thing to pick on. I wish I looked as good as she does with pink hair."

Out of lurk mode AGAIN to say I LOVE it.

I think we should start our own "lurk club" on this thread

 

[snarlingcoyote]

Edited because I rethought my post and decided against it.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Has anyone posted this article from a Minister that is from the subdivision J&K used to live in? Its really poignant. and sad.

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html

I live in a little neighborhood in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania, whose name has recently gotten increased publicity. It's called Westbrooke. We moved here in 1991 and were part of a small, very friendly, and intimate group of 37 young families who built our homes on the two streets that made up our development. We literally all knew each other. There was one way in and one way out of neighborhood. We walked, talked, played, cooked-out, shared meals, and waved at each other all the time. After a few years, a couple streets were added and our neighborhood more than doubled in size. Still, we remained fairly close. In fact, this Saturday we're having our annual neighborhood yard sale. There's still only one way in and one way out of our neighborhood. All this to say, while it has been decreasing in recent years because of mobility and change, friendliness and community has always been a mark of our neighborhood.

One of those original houses was built by the parents of the female half of my next door neighbors. I can look out my CPYU office window (which sits just across the street from that one entrance to our neighborhood), and still see that house. Tragically, my neighbor's father succumbed to cancer several years ago. Then three years ago, his widow was killed in a car accident. The brick house they had built on Andrew Avenue went up for sale. I can still remember my next door neighbor coming over in 2006 and saying, "We sold the house. Guess who's moving in?" I had no clue. He replied, "The sextuplet family." I had read about the local family in the newspaper because of the multiple births. But I knew little more. At that point, I don't think there was even a show. We were getting new neighbors. Not celebrities.

To be honest, I thought how fortunate it was that the Gosselin family was moving into a good neighborhood, especially under their circumstances. This was a family who would most likely need lots of help and support, and our neighbors had a history of generously giving it. In fact, back in 1991, the neighborhood pulled together to care for a young bed-ridden mother-to-be who lived in the house just across the street and to the left of the Gosselin house. She was locked-in a high-risk pregnancy with quadruplets. My wife, along with most of the other wives in the neighborhood, cooked their meals, tended to their needs, and sat for hours each day with the expectant mom over the course of several months. If help was needed, Westbrooke was a great place to find it.

(its a long article, but very poignant imho)

Wow. Thanks for posting this article. It reinforced what I think about this mess and I for one appreciated the author's humble attitude. I give it plenty of credence since he was a former neighbor when J&K moved into their old house. Reading that reminded me (once again) that I believe J&K are self-destructing and that sadly their 8 little ones will be caught in the middle. I've often wondered why TLC would allow such a mess to continue but of course it's all about ratings and money for them. I also liked the part where the author admonishes J&K against seeing their "multiple blessings" as material things rather than 8 beautiful children. Thanks again for posting it.

 

[nuke]

I don't get it. Are you saying that if you say Kate shouldn't be in a short skirt, we should just ignore what you said and not give our opinion? How quickly this would be a dull board.

I was never a big Kate fan, but as his board turned into a board that talked more and more about the picky stuff, I did post my opinions. I have also asked why someone would feel the way they posted. It's called discussion. Discussion is what has kept this board going. Many of us only have our own experiences to go by and those do creep into the discussion. Some of us are parents (and believe it or not, not all the parents think the show should end..at least not yet, but it may come to it, with all the garbage out there now), some are Kate's age and like her hair and clothes, some are Kate's age and hate ther hair and clothes. Some of us think no matter what Kate does, she's wrong, some think she's right, some aren't sure, etc.

There truly wouldn't be much to this board if we weren't 'allowed' to have our opinions, just like you have yours, or if we weren't allowed to ask why you would feel a certain way, depending on if someone was smiling, if one of the tups looked sad, etc. When I do watch the show now, I do feel like the other person said, that each time Kate does anything, it does pop into my mind..gee what will be made of that. OH OH, Kate looked up, she must want the pap to take her picture, OH OH, Kate isn't smiling, and I think she just yelled at a tup, OH OH, Kate is wearing high shoes, she is so in trouble. It just seems, even if you dislike Kate, surely there must be something she does, that doesn't have a sinister meaning. So I am guilty as charged. When someone posts about something that Kate has done, that seems innocent to me, I do ask why a poster sees somehing bad in it. Because I really want to konw, nt because I am saying you can't have your opinion. Someone asked me today what I like about Kate. I was actually surprised that I could think of so many things. I actually was surprised that no one counterpointed everything I said, because it does seem to me, that often most think she doesn't have a kind bone in her body.
All that said, I like hearing all the different views and as I said to someone in a PM earlier, I too like to play Devil's Advocate. I would miss any of you, if you left.

Hey folks, I'm on a lousy internet service for the weekend, can you all please wait until Sunday night to post

Honestly you are more like Kate's advocate than playing Devil's Advocate. I don't see you playing devil's advocate for Jon. That to me is picking sides.

As far as your assessment of Kate, that's your opinion and why should anyone question you on them? I don't happen to agree with you but you feel like you do and I feel as I do. Doesn't make either one of us wrong. However when you are constantly (you in the general kate loving sense) questioning the opposing opinion it gets old. Just saying.

 

[longstangetrip]

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/...-too-late.html

...For a minute, remove all the rumors and stories (many of which are true), and think only about how the family has chosen to present themselves. Think too about the fact that when the cameras are on, we usually put on our best smiles and best behavior, and then think - long and hard - about what that best behavior has been on this particular show. Then, imagine what life is like and how people act when the cameras aren't rolling. After taking that all into consideration, we shouldn't be surprised by the train wreck that's taken the world by storm. Still, that's not reason to remain silent when things are going horribly wrong. The chaos surrounding any kind of wreck requires analysis and intervention from people who still have their wits about them and who have some sense of not only what's going on, but what to do. People who have been in wrecks usually aren't in any condition to tend to themselves. They need outside help, and they need it fast...

...Which leads me to this; we need to respond. Silence is not an option. One of the great lessons of history is that those who remain silent and uninvolved when a group of people are being oppressed (in this case, 8 small children) are not helping, but hurting the situation. Those people who choose to remain silent and not intervene by speaking up, have chosen to actively participate in the oppression. It's guilt by silence. In this case, two parents and 8 little kids are laying wounded on the side of the road.

Thanks for posting the link Sandy321! I think this is the best article I have read about them. Sad, but well written and thoughtful. WHERE is someone who knows them and can defend them the way they are defended by strangers? I am going from amazed to feeling a little upset about this family. They sucked me in nearly five years ago with their story, and now I can't seem to leave (even though I don't watch the show). The media coverage in the last six or eight weeks is truly unlike anything I can remember. Everyone speaks about the welfare of the kids. What about Kate? What if she really has no one? What happened along the way to make her treat people the way she has been shown to on the show, and accounted first hand? I don't hate her at all; if I were her friend, mother or sister, I'd be sick with worry.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Thanks for posting the link Sandy321! I think this is the best article I have read about them. Sad, but well written and thoughtful. WHERE is someone who knows them and can defend them the way they are defended by strangers? I am going from amazed to feeling a little upset about this family. They sucked me in nearly five years ago with their story, and now I can't seem to leave (even though I don't watch the show). The media coverage in the last six or eight weeks is truly unlike anything I can remember. Everyone speaks about the welfare of the kids. What about Kate? What if she really has no one? What happened along the way to make her treat people the way that has been shown to on the show, and accounted first hand? I don't hate her at all; if I was her friend, mother or sister, I'd be sick with worry.

I've thought about that too, I wonder who Kate is able to turn to with all this mess. She has sisters and a Mom but there's no way of knowing if she's on good terms with them or not. Both she and Jon need some type of counsel and I just wonder if they're getting it or who it's from. I used to believe they could fix their marriage if they truly wanted to but it's getting harder and harder to when more pics of Jon and his 23 year old pop tart keep surfacing. To make matters worse Kate is still plowing ahead with filming. I know she said she's been dealing with this for 6 months but honestly, when did she find the time to? Schedule-wise, she's been busy with book tours and speaking engagements not to mention the regular filming for the show. I hope her Mom or someone very close to her is talking her through all this. If this were my daughter, my heart would be breaking for her and her family and I would try to do what I could to help regardless of if we'd had a fallout or not. It's just so sad to see it all playing out on TV and the tabloids.

 

[longstangetrip]

Honestly you are more like Kate's advocate than playing Devil's Advocate. I don't see you playing devil's advocate for Jon. That to me is picking sides.

As far as your assessment of Kate, that's your opinion and why should anyone question you on them? I don't happen to agree with you but you feel like you do and I feel as I do. Doesn't make either one of us wrong. However when you are constantly (you in the general kate loving sense) questioning the opposing opinion it gets old. Just saying.

I agree. The reasons the referenced poster likes Kate are her opinions. I don't need facts or statistics to back it up. The defenders of Kate sometimes ask for this when a negative opinion is shared. Asking for someone's opinions or feelings on a discussion board can be done politley to initiate an exchange, but to at people, and or worse slam them, when their thoughts are given, is not a conversation at all. I truly want to see both sides; I want to see in Kate and the show what others must be.

 

[kidshop]

Has anyone posted this article from a Minister that is from the subdivision J&K used to live in? Its really poignant. and sad.

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html


(its a long article, but very poignant imho)

Wow. That is one smart man. I support his message 100%