Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[C.Ann]

If they have savings accounts for the kids, the amount of money they have gotten, along with paying for the house could be a lot less than you think. None of us have been privy to their bank accounts. I've seen such varying figures, I really don't know, after taxes how much they have earned. The house (which gives them more privacy) was purported to be a mil and a half. The college could very well be over a million, or even two by the time those kids go to college. I really don't know if it's that important she stay in the spotlight, or that important her children have food, a nice home, and a college education. If they go back to work, I assume those children will see less of their parents than they do now. I have not seen a physcologist report from someone who has spoken with them and the children to think anything other than what they have, is best for the children in the long run at this time.

You keep insinuating they are not doing what is best for their children. What is the source of this information? Your gut feelings? Your past training? How you raised your children? I actually have nothing to base how I feel, other than a mom and dad that says they love their children and they are doing what they feel is best for them. Everyone is different. Just because earlier TV shows from the 50's and 60's turned out kids without money, or had kids that acted out, doesn't mean these kids will. Those kids may have not turned out any differently if they hadn't been child actors. Annette F, Ron Howard, Shirley Temple and many others were child actors and they did well. We aren't real privy to what their lives were either. Some kids turn out well, and some don't.

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And you keep insinutating that they will end up in the "poor" house without this show.. There are still plenty of ways for them to make money - without the show..

What difference does it make "why" I think this isn't in the best interest of the children? I'm not sure why I need to explain that to you - or anyone else, for that matter.. We all have opinions here.. Varying thoughts on what is or isn't best for the children.. I can respect the fact that you - and others - may not agree with me.. I expect the same in return..

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't have a Facebook account.
But I saw the video,
yikes Kate,
but at least Jon is looking at her.
I'm betting he still loves her, and just doesn't love what she is doing to the family.

I can't watch that clip anymore, it is too sad. I'm not trying to sound over-dramatic but watching it made me want to cry. I used to love this show when it first started and now look at what it's become. I don't think I can stomach it Monday night. You know, J&K are in a no-win situation...if they go on air to discuss their problems, people will be upset because they think they should deal with it privately. On the other hand if they don't address it on the show, then people will be livid because they feel J&K owe it to their fans. Honestly, is being on TV really worth all this nightmare? I know for me, I couldn't handle it.

 

[DMRick]

but at least Jon is looking at her.
I'm betting he still loves her, and just doesn't love what she is doing to the family.

So, let's see, he was caught with a girlfriend, supposedly, but she's doing something to the family. If that turns out to be true (the girlfriend), and my hubby looked at me with love in his eyes, I'd spit in his face LOL!

 

[DMRick]

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And you keep insinutating that they will end up in the "poor" house without this show.. There are still plenty of ways for them to make money - without the show..

Show me where I said they would be in the poor house. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said we don't know that the children would be better off without the income this show brings, and that they may be worse off, or not have anywhere near the opportunities they do now, and that I haven't seen anyone professional say this is harming them. If I do, and it's not a rag mag person, my mind may very well change.

 

[C.Ann]

Show me where I said they would be in the poor house. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said we don't know that the children would be better off without the income this show brings, and that they may be worse off, or not have anywhere near the opportunities they do now, and that I haven't seen anyone professional say this is harming them. If I do, and it's not a rag mag person, my mind may very well change.

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I don't think I "put words in your mouth" - but again, if that's the way you see/read it, you're certainly entitled to feel however you feel..

As for the rest of your post - again - we don't see eye to eye on this.. You don't owe me any explanation as to how or why you see this situation in the manner you do - nor do I owe you any explanation for the way I see it..

Let's not turn this into a fishing expedition.. We simply need to agree to disagree..

 

[DMRick]

Let's not turn this into a fishing expedition.. We simply need to agree to disagree..

Fishing expedition, LOL?

 

[FergieTCat]

"If" they have used/saved the money wisely that they have earned so far, there is no reason that I can think of that it would be impossible for them to live without this show.. Kate has already "written" two books - which will continue to generate money.. She could continue her speaking engagements on a limited basis - if it's that important for her to remain in the spotlight.. Just pull the plug on the show.. Get the children out of the spotlight.. They are not the ones looking for a show biz career..

I wasn't commenting about any of that. I posted several examples of how Becki Dilley "used" (for lack of a better word) her family to earn money after it was suggested that she did none of the things that Kate is doing (book publishing and commercials were my examples). I'm not saying that Becki was wrong or right. I'm just saying that she is not innocent.

Any thoughts I had about Jon, Kate, Kevin, Jodi, etc. have already been posted, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

[1stluvispooh]

So, let's see, he was caught with a girlfriend, supposedly, but she's doing something to the family. If that turns out to be true (the girlfriend), and my hubby looked at me with love in his eyes, I'd spit in his face LOL!

Your also forgetting that Kate is supposedly having an affair with the bodyguard And supposedly told Jon over 6 months ago that the marriage was ended and she didn't want to work on it but she did want the show to go on.

 

[maxie]

H

ETA: Their facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/JonandKatePlusEight?ref=nf) has even turned into a battleground!

Any place on the web that has anything to do with Gosselins gets the GWOP crew in to blast them. Nothing new.

 

[MusiqChic99]

I'm new...what does GWOP mean?

 

[hichewlova]

Your also forgetting that Kate is supposedly having an affair with the bodyguard And supposedly told Jon over 6 months ago that the marriage was ended and she didn't want to work on it but she did want the show to go on.

I can kind of see the whole contract thing - that show is huge. I imagine she doesn't want to end her marriage and essentially her career too.

 

[maxie]

I'm new...what does GWOP mean?

http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/


A very nasty website full of hatred towards the Gosselins.

 

[C.Ann]

I wasn't commenting about any of that. I posted several examples of how Becki Dilley "used" (for lack of a better word) her family to earn money after it was suggested that she did none of the things that Kate is doing (book publishing and commercials were my examples). I'm not saying that Becki was wrong or right. I'm just saying that she is not innocent.

Any thoughts I had about Jon, Kate, Kevin, Jodi, etc. have already been posted, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

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I understood what you were saying.. My point was that Becki Dilley didn't take it to the "degree" that Jon & Kate have..

I don't have a problem with Kate writing books - or doing speaking engagements.. I have a problem with the show - because the children don't have a choice as to whether or not it continues.. I think there are lots of supporters out there who would continue to read her books and attend a limited number of speaking engagements - all of which could be done without the children.. Win, win..

 

[sandramaac]

After watching the premiere preview, and seeing Kate's face, and the disgusting look she gives Jon after his comment. This women is a narcissistic, arrogant, controlling and self absorbed women. She has no ability to compromise, and see things in terms of only herself. I personally find her to be a disgusting individual. A person who has a personality based upon the above traits I mentioned---the whole reality TV thing was the worst thing that could have ever happened to that family!!

The DSM manual describes it best
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Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy." [1]

The narcissist is described as turning inward for gratification rather than depending on others, and as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, and prestige.[2] Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to self-centeredness. It is also colloquially referred to as "the god complex".

Now tell if the following does not sound like Kate:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:[1]

-has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status.
-requires excessive admiration
-has a sense of entitlement
-is interpersonally exploitative
-lacks empathy
-is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
-shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

 

[DMRick]

That's true, but I saw the pics of Jon, so it's harder fo rme to think he's innocent, although he could be. And he is denying it. Pics of Kate with her bodyguard, have never made red lights go off in my head. Plus I've seen Jon chatting with him this past weekend. Would that make sense if he was having an affair with his wife? Doesn't mean she couldn't be having one with someone else in her spare time.

I'll have to see this contract that he told Jodi and Kevin about before I decide if that is true. They daid he came to them 6 months ago. They also said they hadn't seen Jon or Kate in a year, so Obviously, if a contract comes up, it changes a lot.

I just find it interesting, that his cheating doesn't seem to be talked about very much, like it wouldn't be hurtful to the family. Some seem to think that it is all Kate.

I will be watching on Monday, and who knows, I may have all different feelings by then about the show. I do think though, they are again darned if they do (spill it all out) and darn if they don't (keep it private).

Your also forgetting that Kate is supposedly having an affair with the bodyguard And supposedly told Jon over 6 months ago that the marriage was ended and she didn't want to work on it but she did want the show to go on.

 

[maxie]

After watching the premiere preview, and seeing Kate's face, and the disgusting look she gives Jon after his comment. This women is a narcissistic, arrogant, controlling and self absorbed women. She has no ability to compromise, and see things in terms of only herself. I personally find her to be a disgusting individual. A person who has a personality based upon the above traits I mentioned---the whole reality TV thing was the worst thing that could have ever happened to that family!!

The DSM manual describes it best
"
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy." [1]

The narcissist is described as turning inward for gratification rather than depending on others, and as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, and prestige.[2] Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to self-centeredness. It is also colloquially referred to as "the god complex".

Now tell if the following does not sound like Kate:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:[1]

-has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status.
-requires excessive admiration
-has a sense of entitlement
-is interpersonally exploitative
-lacks empathy
-is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
-shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

You know the show is edited right? I don't think you can diagnose anyone from watching them on television. LOL. Even if you had the qualifications to do so. Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?

I just watched said video and saw no such look.

Funny how the critics often talk about how they have alienated everyone and they have no friends and family. Seemed like a lot of people at the birthday bash to me!

 

[Buckalew11]

I saw them look at each other but I didn't see Jon looking at Kate with any type of loving look.



I've read on this thread that people thought they should air the dirty laundry on TV. In fact, Kate was critized something terrible here for saying that they were going to handle it "privately". "Why privately when everything else is out in the opn on TV?" was the type of comment I read here.
Then it became wishy-washy and questioned-- why don't they keep this matter private?
MO is they should handle this part in private. Neither will win, both will be the bad the guy (and the good guy, all at the same time). I suppose none of their life is our business yet they have chosen to put it out there and we have chosen to watch it. But everything does not need to be aired. I think they could update the viewers w/o the world following them into therapy.

Who is going to open up and see those skeletons in the closet with the whole world watching??? Few would, I think. I went to couseling after my dad died and I thought most of my issues were about him dying but the reality was a whole lot more that I had never faced. I think J&K both have a lot of issues to face and those most likely need to be kept private and not aired on national TV. JMHO.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

I wanted to post yesterday to something I read here, but I didn't have time...but someone said, "why is Kate such a hero? lots of mothers have or have had more than 8 kids and so fine without all the free stuff." and then someone else argued that the big difference was they were all the same age, and that made a huge difference.

I just wanted to say that yes, it makes a huge difference. It is HUGELY easier!!! (Not when they were infants, when they were infants, that would just be nuts, and you would need a team of help) but once they are potty trained, I'm sorry, but is is so much easier! I have a friend with multiples, and she admits it. She has quads and she has 1/4 the birthday parties, 1/4 the amount of class parties, band concerts at school, 1/4 the SPORTS ACTIVITIES (they are all on the same team) then other mothers with 4 kids of different ages. She has so much more time now! All her kids are in one school, so she doesn't have the 3 different school calendars running that I have. It is easier! All the kids are at the same place at the same time. Once she ptty trained, she was done, no need to revist that every couple of years. And as far as meals- once you are cooking setting a few more places ,really doean't make a difference. And who are they kiddingat this point anyway? Kate is never at home anyway....she is not the beleagered stay home mom that is doing everything. I just can't believe that there is anyone left in America, that beleives this farse.

As a mother to multiples (fair be it only twins) I have to say I take great offence at this comment HUGELY EASIER!!!!! In what world???? As with any child, once they get older parenting certainly becomes 'less hands on'. but by no means easy!

Yes my children are in the same school, in the same class, but they have different homework because they are at slightly different academic levels. Your friend is lucky that her 4 all enjoy the same sport - mine aren't. And just because they are the same age does not always mean that they are kept in the same classes - my son advanced quicker at his swimming - he needed to start a class on a different day. He plays rugby, his sister doesn't - she ice skates. Weekends involve us chaffeuring them to their various sports and back again!

Potty training? Easy, 2 weeks out of my life - having done it once with 2 , would have had no problem doing it again with 1!

With multiples you have a huge financial outlay at the same time - equipment is more expensive (pram etc), you can't pass down any equipment. I have double presents to buy at birthdays, Christmas, swimming lessons, sports. In the future I will have double driving lessons to pay and the possibility of double university fees to pay - at the same time!!!

Sorry for the long rant - but it really bugs me that people can make such sweeping generalisations that it is HUGELY EASIER bringing up multiples!!!

 

[Buckalew11]

I just watched said video and saw no such look.

I didn't see her give a "disgusting look" either. I saw a look that seemed to say "we'll see..."
I think I have the same "look"

I think people see what they want to see. That may mean me also. I'm trying to see the good, the brighter side of all this, for sure.

 

[jpaxton1118]

That doesn't sound right to me, at least from the PCOS standpoint. Having children successfully through one treatment doesn't mean you'll have success again naturally. I've been told it's very possible that I won't be able to have biological children without extra help. I haven't been told it would get easier if I conceived once.

You are right, but the "rumor" was, and this was a long long time ago, that she did not have PCOS and the first doctor just took her word on it and then it came out that she did not, so he would not do it again that is why she had to go and find another doctor. From what I heard, she had to go to multiple doctors before any of them would do it.

Like I said, that was just what has been going around. This is not new I heard this years ago.

And just so you know, I have PCOS also, so please do not think I am being insensitive.