Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[3prettyprincesses]

Why does everyone assume that if they divorce that Jon would not have himself and the kids in the media and that it would only be Kate?

How would either of them at this point support the kids and two households without some type of media? Not saying this is right, but it seems to be where it has gotten...neither has held down a "normal" job for a few years.

I think because Jon has said many times that he doesn't enjoy the spotlight and most recently that there's more to life than TV and ratings. I'm sure Jon could land a job if he wanted to, something more understated than a reality show. I've always felt that Jon was more hands on as a parent...he would run around, play with them, get them ready and he looked like he loved them to pieces. That's how I've perceived it anyway. Kate does have her moments too where she looks that way but it seems Jon has had many more.

Has anyone ever seen Kate smile? Or look at all happy? Except for the photo shoot pictures taken by TLC (where Kate and Jon are beeming and the kids all look downtrodden and sad and bewildered and tired) I have never seen a smile on her face. On the show, if she is not being a beast she usually just looks extremely focused, but not happy. I have never seen her climb into one of their beds and read with them or snuggle. Sometimes it shows her pass a child and say hi to them and keep going, and the camera focuses in on what the kids is dong nad it is the cutest thing...but Kate doesn't seems to notice and just keeps going. It seems she never stops to enjoy them. It is so sad. Like when Hannah ws tiny and folding a basket of towels for the folding neighbor (not Kate mind you, but the volunteer neighbor that came to fold and Kate would just drag the baskets of laundry in for her and not help and just act like the lady owed her something) and she was sitting there so cute. I couldn't have walked past that. I would have stopped and taken picutes and gobbled her up.

That's a little bit unfair as I recall seeing times on the show where Kate was smiling and enjoying her little ones. Granted more often than not she is barking orders or complaining but I have seen her numerous times snuggle with one of the kids or play with them. And her smile when she does is very genuine looking to me, like another poster said in Hawaii she was swimming with one of the girls and was so excited to see her swim. I remember another episode where one of the little girls was sitting on her lap pretending to cut her hair and Kate looked very happy. I guess that's what makes this all rather sad then, that she's gone so much now that those moments (I'm totally speculating) are fewer. But I will say that I have seen her in past episodes genuinely happy/smiling with her kids and (GASP!) Jon!

I agree with you on the job thing. They are always looking for nurses and if memory serves me right Becky Dilly is a nurse and she went back to work and her hubby was the stay at home parent. ( Oh wait sorry Kate doesn't talk about other families with multiples) Also what happened to Jon's job with Bob??? I get the feeling Jon quit but why??? Was he pressured by Kate to quit because she could then travel more on book deals and speaking engagements. It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't pressure him into quitting.

I didn't know that about Becky Dilly. I've wondered too if the reason Jon quit working with Bob was that Kate wanted Jon around more, now that show was paying so well. Speaking of the Dilly's, isn't it amazing that they were able to make it work without a reality TV show, books, tours and speaking engagements? I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously comparing them to the Gosselins. Maybe Becky Dilly should give Kate a call...

 

[FergieTCat]

I didn't know that about Becky Dilly. I've wondered too if the reason Jon quit working with Bob was that Kate wanted Jon around more, now that show was paying so well. Speaking of the Dilly's, isn't it amazing that they were able to make it work without a reality TV show, books, tours and speaking engagements? I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously comparing them to the Gosselins. Maybe Becky Dilly should give Kate a call...

Becki Dilley wrote two books about her children "Special Delivery" and "Sixty Fingers, Sixty Toes." "Special Delivery" was made into a TV movie. I also remember the family did a commercial for a local store.

http://www.amazon.com/Special-Delivery-Raising-Americas-Sextuplets/dp/0679437061/ref=pd_sim_b_1

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117499752.html?categoryid=32&cs=1

Maybe the Dilleys didn't do as much as the Gosselins, but it's unfair to say they didn't do anything.

 

[maxie]

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I didn't know that about Becky Dilly. I've wondered too if the reason Jon quit working with Bob was that Kate wanted Jon around more, now that show was paying so well. Speaking of the Dilly's, isn't it amazing that they were able to make it work without a reality TV show, books, tours and speaking engagements? I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously comparing them to the Gosselins. Maybe Becky Dilly should give Kate a call...

And she didn't make any cash of her two books. Maybe that is where Kate got the idea to write a book.

* Special Delivery: How We Are Raising America's Only Sextuplets...and Loving It, by Barbara M Dille, Becki Dilley, Sam Stall. Publisher: Random House, Date Published: 1995, ISBN 0-679-43706-1

* Sixty Fingers, Sixty Toes: See How the Dilley Sextuplets Grow, by Becki Dilley, Keith Dilley, E. Anthony Valainis. Publisher: Walker & Company, Date Published: 1997, ISBN 0-8027-8614-6.

 

[FergieTCat]

Here we go again:

"Raising Sextuplets" debuting in June on we tv

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090507we02

I wonder how much they are making per episode.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I didn't know that about Becky Dilly. I've wondered too if the reason Jon quit working with Bob was that Kate wanted Jon around more, now that show was paying so well. Speaking of the Dilly's, isn't it amazing that they were able to make it work without a reality TV show, books, tours and speaking engagements? I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously comparing them to the Gosselins. Maybe Becky Dilly should give Kate a call...[/QUOTE]

Yes but would Kate take the call? (And yes I'm being snarky but I enjoy being snarky at times)

 

[MichelleVW]

Maybe the Dilleys didn't do as much as the Gosselins, but it's unfair to say they didn't do anything.

I bet if the Dilley's were born today there would be a good chance that they would be offered a reality tv show.

 

[mistydoodles]

more Kate info from Perez Hilton :

"As if their actual show wasn't already like sitting in on a therapy session, now the Gosselin couple are going to ACTUAL therapy and the audience maybe tagging along.

Due to their recent marital woes, Kate and Jon Gosselin have started seeing a marriage counselor to work out their issues. One would think that the pair would keep this aspect of their lives private, as to overcome their ordeals in private.

They would, if Kate wasn't a money-grubbing fame*****!

Reports say that Kate was initially totally against the idea of a counselor and only agreed to it in order to keep their TLC show on the air.

The new season of the show is slated for next week and Kate is looking to sign on for at least two more seasons.

"Kate wants a future in showbiz, and airing their counseling sessions will shoot the show's ratings through the roof," suggested an insider.

Hopefully, she's really in it for the kiddies and Jon. She doesn't have much of a career without them."

 

[1stluvispooh]

more Kate info from Perez Hilton :

"As if their actual show wasn't already like sitting in on a therapy session, now the Gosselin couple are going to ACTUAL therapy and the audience maybe tagging along.

Due to their recent marital woes, Kate and Jon Gosselin have started seeing a marriage counselor to work out their issues. One would think that the pair would keep this aspect of their lives private, as to overcome their ordeals in private.

They would, if Kate wasn't a money-grubbing fame*****!

Reports say that Kate was initially totally against the idea of a counselor and only agreed to it in order to keep their TLC show on the air.

The new season of the show is slated for next week and Kate is looking to sign on for at least two more seasons.

"Kate wants a future in showbiz, and airing their counseling sessions will shoot the show's ratings through the roof," suggested an insider.

Hopefully, she's really in it for the kiddies and Jon. She doesn't have much of a career without them."

Warning warning: Snarky alert!
It doesn't surprise me that Kate didn't want to go to consoling. That means that she will have to admit that she is wrong about something.

 

[newtodis]

Question: Didn't Jon mention in that interview from Utah that they "incorporated"? If so, does anyone know that companie's name? Sorr if I've missed it. I tried googling and couldn't find anything and I would think they wouldn't make it easy to find. It just made me think because I'm working on some accounting homework for a class I'm taking and they're discussing the rules corporations have to follow vs. private companies, specifically that corporations have to provide annual reports on their corp. Would be interesting to see the annual report for J&K's corporation (assuming they did that and the information could be found).

 

[DutchsMommy]

Question: Didn't Jon mention in that interview from Utah that they "incorporated"? If so, does anyone know that companie's name? Sorr if I've missed it. I tried googling and couldn't find anything and I would think they wouldn't make it easy to find. It just made me think because I'm working on some accounting homework for a class I'm taking and they're discussing the rules corporations have to follow vs. private companies, specifically that corporations have to provide annual reports on their corp. Would be interesting to see the annual report for J&K's corporation (assuming they did that and the information could be found).

I think the difference is between privately and publicly held. You can be incorporated and private (like Chrysler) or incorporated and Public (like GM). Private means you do not offer shares for sale on a stock exchange, public means you do. If you offer shares, you have to disclose financial info about your company so that public shareholders have access to that info. I am sure there is more to it, but that is my understanding. So in all likelyhood, even though they may be 'Inc' they are likely private. And - just commenting as a lurker - man what a train-wreck!

 

[DMRick]

I've seen both Jon and Kate have a lot of fun with their children. TLC may not have shown it much on the later shows, but it's still been there. Jon didn't seem to be happy on the jobs he held before he became a sthd. I just assume they weighed the benefits and made the decision that he would be home with the children. I wonder if he thought it would be easier, than it is. While Kate was out a lot the past few months, it was just the past few months that she has been out talking and selling the books.

As for it being easier to have kids all the same ages, it still takes the same amount of time to feed bottles, potty train, etc, and I'm thinking it's pretty exhausting, because it must have seemed that's all you did..when it's spread out over several years, it's not one bottle after another, one diaper change after another, and then starting again. You do save 5 days of birthday parties, I'll give you that, and if they are all in the same activites, that's a time saver too. I'm sure it will be easier for Kate or Jon to take them places as they get older. I know for me, it was nice having a slightly older child, helping me to keep an eye on the youngest when at the park, or swimming in our pool, at the mall, etc, and you wouldn't have that if all the kids are too young to watch themselves. But it should get easier as they get older.

I had to know if the other older large families were offered a reality show, and know that they turned it down, before I could say they managed with it. Some of them are doing less noticed things to earn some extra money. For sure, if the other families have less income, they should qualify for things like help for college. We wouldn't know if they got any parts of social programs, since they aren't in theh public eye. Which family had kids that started out in the Hudson, NY area? I know there was a family that was getting lots of donations there.

 

[madge]

I bet if the Dilley's were born today there would be a good chance that they would be offered a reality tv show.

I would be surprised if they haven't recently. Six teenagers? That's a reality show dream!

 

[MichelleVW]

I would be surprised if they haven't recently. Six teenagers? That's a reality show dream!

Here's a video clip from the Rachel Ray show about the Dilley's.


http://www.rachaelrayshow.com/show/segments/view/dilley-sextuplets/

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

Well see, the difference there is the Cyrus's actually have a talent. He was a celebrity already. His daughter actually acted and became famous for her own talent.

The Gosselins possess no talent other than convincing a fertility doctor to give her treatement even when it wasn't necessary.

why wasn't the fertility treatment necessary?

I'm interested to hear the answer to this, too.

I wanted to post yesterday to something I read here, but I didn't have time...but someone said, "why is Kate such a hero? lots of mothers have or have had more than 8 kids and so fine without all the free stuff." and then someone else argued that the big difference was they were all the same age, and that made a huge difference.

I just wanted to say that yes, it makes a huge difference. It is HUGELY easier!!! (Not when they were infants, when they were infants, that would just be nuts, and you would need a team of help) but once they are potty trained, I'm sorry, but is is so much easier! I have a friend with multiples, and she admits it. She has quads and she has 1/4 the birthday parties, 1/4 the amount of class parties, band concerts at school, 1/4 the SPORTS ACTIVITIES (they are all on the same team) then other mothers with 4 kids of different ages. She has so much more time now! All her kids are in one school, so she doesn't have the 3 different school calendars running that I have. It is easier! All the kids are at the same place at the same time. Once she ptty trained, she was done, no need to revist that every couple of years. And as far as meals- once you are cooking setting a few more places ,really doean't make a difference. And who are they kiddingat this point anyway? Kate is never at home anyway....she is not the beleagered stay home mom that is doing everything. I just can't believe that there is anyone left in America, that beleives this farse.

That's also assuming your kids will all be in the same class, like the same activity, etc. Let's also add the financial hardships...no hand-me-downs (clothes, sports equipment, car seats, etc.), activity fees times eight, school supplies times eight, etc.* And there are two age groups in the G family (as opposed to one in your friend's family). HUGELY EASIER is a pretty big stretch.

*Before anyone says anything about all of that being donated and/or them being well off now...wouldn't be the case without the show.

 

[newtodis]

Here's the "latest" update from the Gosselin's facebook page (one of them....):

Jon and Kate Plus 8 Special Extended Hour Season Premiere: Everyone else seems to be telling the story of Jon and Kate's life, but in the season premiere of Jon & Kate Plus 8, you will hear the truth of their life directly from them.

In an extended special premiere of their show, and facing each other on TV for the first time since the story broke. It's a show you won't want to miss. This Monday at 9pm, exclusively on TLC.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=83987662759&h=qWAlQ&u=KjWTp&ref=nf

ETA: Their facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/JonandKatePlusEight?ref=nf) has even turned into a battleground!

 

[jpaxton1118]

My understanding about the fertility was that the doctor she went to that did the twins refused to do it again because she did not really need it. So she went to multiple doctors until she found one that would do what she wanted.
I could be wrong but that is what I remember hearing.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

My understanding about the fertility was that the doctor she went to that did the twins refused to do it again because she did not really need it. So she went to multiple doctors until she found one that would do what she wanted.
I could be wrong but that is what I remember hearing.

That doesn't sound right to me, at least from the PCOS standpoint. Having children successfully through one treatment doesn't mean you'll have success again naturally. I've been told it's very possible that I won't be able to have biological children without extra help. I haven't been told it would get easier if I conceived once.

 

[C.Ann]

since Jon has been quoted (more or less) saying he doesn't really enjoy doing the show, or doesn't like what's happened as a result of the show ... and Kate has repeatedly insisted she has no intention of giving up what's she's doing, that she LOVES what she's doing ... I think that it's a pretty safe assumption to make.



1. they have earned a substantial amount of money in the last two years. hopefully, they haven't spent it all .. and could live off that while they get their acts together. Of course, It wouldn't be the same standard of living they've become accustomed to now.

2. many large families get by without a TV show, book deals, public speaking, etc.

3. just because Jon & Kate have been on television for a couple of years, that doesn't mean they're not exempt from getting "normal jobs". That's not to say that it wouldn't be difficult. I've never believed that they could drop the show and Kate could walk back into a hospital the next day and be a nurse again.

I think because Jon has said many times that he doesn't enjoy the spotlight and most recently that there's more to life than TV and ratings. I'm sure Jon could land a job if he wanted to, something more understated than a reality show. I've always felt that Jon was more hands on as a parent...he would run around, play with them, get them ready and he looked like he loved them to pieces. That's how I've perceived it anyway. Kate does have her moments too where she looks that way but it seems Jon has had many more.

Speaking of the Dilly's, isn't it amazing that they were able to make it work without a reality TV show, books, tours and speaking engagements? I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously comparing them to the Gosselins. Maybe Becky Dilly should give Kate a call...

Becki Dilley wrote two books about her children "Special Delivery" and "Sixty Fingers, Sixty Toes." "Special Delivery" was made into a TV movie. I also remember the family did a commercial for a local store.

http://www.amazon.com/Special-Delivery-Raising-Americas-Sextuplets/dp/0679437061/ref=pd_sim_b_1

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117499752.html?categoryid=32&cs=1

Maybe the Dilleys didn't do as much as the Gosselins, but it's unfair to say they didn't do anything.

"If" they have used/saved the money wisely that they have earned so far, there is no reason that I can think of that it would be impossible for them to live without this show.. Kate has already "written" two books - which will continue to generate money.. She could continue her speaking engagements on a limited basis - if it's that important for her to remain in the spotlight.. Just pull the plug on the show.. Get the children out of the spotlight.. They are not the ones looking for a show biz career..

more Kate info from Perez Hilton :

"As if their actual show wasn't already like sitting in on a therapy session, now the Gosselin couple are going to ACTUAL therapy and the audience maybe tagging along.

Due to their recent marital woes, Kate and Jon Gosselin have started seeing a marriage counselor to work out their issues. One would think that the pair would keep this aspect of their lives private, as to overcome their ordeals in private.

They would, if Kate wasn't a money-grubbing fame*****!

Reports say that Kate was initially totally against the idea of a counselor and only agreed to it in order to keep their TLC show on the air.

The new season of the show is slated for next week and Kate is looking to sign on for at least two more seasons.

"Kate wants a future in showbiz, and airing their counseling sessions will shoot the show's ratings through the roof," suggested an insider.

Hopefully, she's really in it for the kiddies and Jon. She doesn't have much of a career without them."

What is the source of this information?

Here's the "latest" update from the Gosselin's facebook page (one of them....):

Jon and Kate Plus 8 Special Extended Hour Season Premiere: Everyone else seems to be telling the story of Jon and Kate's life, but in the season premiere of Jon & Kate Plus 8, you will hear the truth of their life directly from them.

In an extended special premiere of their show, and facing each other on TV for the first time since the story broke. It's a show you won't want to miss. This Monday at 9pm, exclusively on TLC.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=83987662759&h=qWAlQ&u=KjWTp&ref=nf

At the very end - when they were sitting on the couch together - that "look" that Kate shot Jon was definitely one of "Who cares what you think? I'm in this for the long haul.." I don't think she cares about her marriage anymore - as long as she can hang on to the show and remain in the spotlight..

 

[OhMari]

more Kate info from Perez Hilton :

"As if their actual show wasn't already like sitting in on a therapy session, now the Gosselin couple are going to ACTUAL therapy and the audience maybe tagging along.

Due to their recent marital woes, Kate and Jon Gosselin have started seeing a marriage counselor to work out their issues. One would think that the pair would keep this aspect of their lives private, as to overcome their ordeals in private.

They would, if Kate wasn't a money-grubbing fame*****!

Reports say that Kate was initially totally against the idea of a counselor and only agreed to it in order to keep their TLC show on the air.

The new season of the show is slated for next week and Kate is looking to sign on for at least two more seasons.

"Kate wants a future in showbiz, and airing their counseling sessions will shoot the show's ratings through the roof," suggested an insider.

Hopefully, she's really in it for the kiddies and Jon. She doesn't have much of a career without them."

This would be a huge mistake. Remember about a month ago, someone came on here and said her dh was having an affair out of the blue, and he wanted to go live with this other women. This person on the DIS had so many responds and posts on her thead. The thread got shut down, and she came back and updated again. And the thread got shut down again. I think the whole subject of marriage/divorce just hits a nerve with almost everyone. Can you imagine everyone witnessing your pain and struggle, and then commenting on it. Jon and Kate are nuts to go public with this. It should be kept from the public eye.

Here's the "latest" update from the Gosselin's facebook page (one of them....):

Jon and Kate Plus 8 Special Extended Hour Season Premiere: Everyone else seems to be telling the story of Jon and Kate's life, but in the season premiere of Jon & Kate Plus 8, you will hear the truth of their life directly from them.

In an extended special premiere of their show, and facing each other on TV for the first time since the story broke. It's a show you won't want to miss. This Monday at 9pm, exclusively on TLC.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=83987662759&h=qWAlQ&u=KjWTp&ref=nf

ETA: Their facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/JonandKatePlusEight?ref=nf) has even turned into a battleground!

I don't have a Facebook account.
But I saw the video,
yikes Kate,
but at least Jon is looking at her.
I'm betting he still loves her, and just doesn't love what she is doing to the family.

 

[DMRick]

"If" they have used/saved the money wisely that they have earned so far, there is no reason that I can think of that it would be impossible for them to live without this show.. Kate has already "written" two books - which will continue to generate money.. She could continue her speaking engagements on a limited basis - if it's that important for her to remain in the spotlight.. Just pull the plug on the show.. Get the children out of the spotlight.. They are not the ones looking for a show biz career..

If they have savings accounts for the kids, the amount of money they have gotten, along with paying for the house could be a lot less than you think. If they have had it invested, it could be a ghost of what they thought it would be. None of us have been privy to their bank accounts. I've seen such varying figures, I really don't know, after taxes how much they have earned. The house (which gives them more privacy) was purported to be a mil and a half. The college could very well be over a million, or even two by the time those kids go to college. I really don't know if it's that important she stay in the spotlight, or that important her children have food, a nice home, and a college education. If they go back to work, I assume those children will see less of their parents than they do now. I have not seen a physcologist report from someone who has spoken with them and the children to think anything other than what they have, is best for the children in the long run at this time.

You keep insinuating they are not doing what is best for their children. What is the source of this information? Your gut feelings? Your past training? How you raised your children? I actually have nothing to base how I feel, other than a mom and dad that says they love their children and they are doing what they feel is best for them. Everyone is different. Just because earlier TV shows from the 50's and 60's turned out kids without money, or had kids that acted out, doesn't mean these kids will. Those kids may have not turned out any differently if they hadn't been child actors. Annette F, Ron Howard, Shirley Temple and many others were child actors and they did well. We aren't real privy to what their lives were either. Some kids turn out well, and some don't.