Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[FarAway<3]

Well, now there is a sex tape floating around of DeAnna and her ex-boyfriend. I don't want to link to it, but I'm sure you will find it easy enough through google. This is never going to end.

Perez Hilton

 

[keetmommy]

Here is the link from the today show..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpJZxo4_n4

 

[blissventure]

The college argument is what get me. Parents are not obligated to pay for college. While it is nice, it isn't always possible. I took out student loans (payed off!!) and worked 2 jobs and I did just fine, graduating in 4.5 years.

With that many siblings, the kids will qualify for some grants (one of my many on campus jobs was in financial aid), there are so many scholarships out there for everything under the sun, and loans.

Congrats on your achievement!
The rules on college have significantly changed in the recent past. There is an expected family contribution. Families can refuse to participate (by ignoring the FAFSA), colleges tend to just see this as a unfinished application and deny admission on that basis. There are ways around this--single parenthood, marriage, military service, and waiting until the student is 24.
Colleges are much less tolerant of refusals to participate than they used to be. Most people aren't rolling in bucks these days.

There are some scholarships, but most of the time they aren't available until the package is complete. Some are measly, others are helpful, a few are fantastic. A student won't get a solid offer until Mom and Dad have filled out the FAFSA. Universities are smarter these days. The FAFSA will be the basis of the total financial aid package. XX dollars from parents or parent plus loans, XX dollars student loans, and (if they are lucky) XX dollars from scholarships or grants.
(Students who are independently wealthy are are cold cash pay...don't need to fill out anything but an application.

The more kids that are in school at one time the better, FAFSA wise. J&K will be helped by those numbers.

 

[sbell111]

Yes the picture was taken at their house. Yes it could have been during nap time or while the kids were at church with someone else or at a friend's house or whatever. But, that's a big house and Kate's always saying how much laundry there is to do. I'd think he'd have other things to do to fill his day than lay out in the yard. JMHO

Surely, you jest. Are you saying that there is never any time for a parent to relax with friends, that they should be toiling in housework all day, every day?

The kids could also have been in the yard but how are they being presented this situation??

They aren't being presented, at all, in the 'sunbathing situation'. That's why people have been speculating on their wherabouts.

The twins have to be old enough to think something's not quite right if Daddy's out three nights a week with "Dede". How come Daddy's not staying home with us? How come Mommy's not home? We just don't know what they're being told or how it's being presented.

I doubt that it's being presented, at all. I seriously doubt that most adults run their full schedules by their small children for approval.

The little ones aren't probably figuring out this isn't how things are in many families. The twins have to have a good idea that this is NOT how things are for many families.

I don't know about this. At that age, most children assume that the wierdness in thier families is normal.

I know it's also been mentioned that Jon couldn't afford to leave....did they do any paperwork with the show, maybe something like a prenup?? I would think TLC was smart enough to put part of most of the funds into some kind of account for the kids that can't be touched until they're x years old or something like that. They may have also had J&K sign something if they're each getting their own paycheck. I honestly don't know how they're being paid or anything about the paperwork that was done, just purely something I was thinking about. There are a LOT of unknowns with the entire situation.

I seriously doubt that TLC (or whoever) drew up the contract to protect any of the assets from the parents. It's much more likely that the parents each get paid indivdually. Of course, there is also the money from the speaking tour which has been guestimated to be something like $40k per week.

 

[C.Ann]

After hearing Kate's comments today - and reading Jon's statement - I really, really wish that someone they hold in high regard would convince them that it's time to put a halt to this show and focus on their children and their marriage..

I don't know how they can claim that their children are their top priority and continue to put them out there in the spotlight with all of this negative publicity swirling around them.. The twins are old enough to understand what is being said about their parents and this alleged affair - and regardless of how well Jon & Kate try to shield them from it, you can bet there are the bratty kids at school who are having a grand old time taunting them with it..

If their children are #1 in their lives, it's time to cancel the show, take the money, and run - preferably to a good therapist..

 

[talulabelle]

Here is the link from the today show..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpJZxo4_n4

insanity of the whole family aside - what is UP with Kate's hair? Doesn't anyone from the show tell her it isn't in style? Do you ever get the feeling the show is purposely setting them up to look like idiots for our entertainment? But they do it in such a way that Kate doesn't notice? Or maybe Kate chooses not to notice cuz of the money? I almost feel like they have a stylist purposely make her look like a nut job with that hair. What is it? It is part Partridge Family mom, part Carol Brady, part asymetrical '80s highschool punk girl, part redneck. I can't quite put a finger on exactly what look it is supposed to be.

Another observation: Jon says in his statement "I did not cheat on Kate" he did not say "I did not have sex with the girl". I think he sees it as not cheating because they probably have not had a "marrital relationship" in quite some time. If he and Kate are seperated, even if by bedrooms, and live in same house for appearances, he may not see this as cheating on Kate. He probably doesn't see he and Kate havinga relationship to "cheat" on. All symantics. I was reminded of a certain former president that was big on symantics.

 

[lucas]

Don't know if this has been posted, but there is a new link on cnn.com about J&K:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/05/07/sbt.jon.kate.update.cnn

 

[newtodis]

Jon doesn't have anything filling his days. They have a nanny, we know for sure. I'm sure they kept their housekeeper from the other house or hired a new one. The nanny probably does the laundry and the grocery shopping as part of her duties, so what is left?

If the show were to end (which it will end, it won't be on the air forever) they could sell their house, sell 2 of Jon's cars, other items that aren't needed. Kate and the kids, or heck Jon and the kids, could move into a smaller house (or back to their old one which I understand is still on the market). Kate could work as a nurse during school hours and Jon could go back to work in IT. They wouldn't be able to take a trip every month or dress in all Gymboree, but they could get by. There are a lot of big families out there that don't have reality shows that make it day to day. Let's be real, they don't NEED a reality show to get by, they would just have to live like the rest of us.

Kate said "you can't go back", well I tend to disagree. She doesn't WANT to go back, plain and simple.

Nice discussion here ladies (and gentleman).

Jon could find things to fill his days - he's talked about wanting a job (or something to get him out of the house). Move the house keeper or nanny or someone to part time and Jon (or Kate or both!) could start doing those things. If he wants to be productive and be out of the house without getting a job, go grocery shopping, go volunteer somewhere.

I agree they don't *need* a show to survive. I've read that they consign quite a bit so there's money coming in from that. I'm sure not much but every little bit helps in our household. There are many ways they could make it work but it would require them becoming "normal" like the rest of us.

I bet they could get on The View. That is right up their alley.

I would so watch that.

Kate ‘hesitant to believe’ Jon was unfaithful
Reality-TV mom vows they will ‘weather this storm’; husband issues denial

By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 8:51 a.m. CT, Thurs., May 7, 2009

“Jon & Kate Plus 8” is moving into its seventh season on TLC. Vieira asked if the allegations are going to be part of the show.

I thoght we were only on Season 5.

Does anyone else find it odd in all the statements that both of them have made that not one of them says "I love my husband" or "I love my wife". They say they care about the kids, love the kids, but what about each other?

Certainly do. I'm glad the kids are the focus but they're asking about you and Jon....Everyone's different though so maybe that's just their relationship. Who knows at this point. They could hate each other who what it's worth and be living in two different houses and putting on a "show" for everyone.

Well, now there is a sex tape floating around of DeAnna and her ex-boyfriend. I don't want to link to it, but I'm sure you will find it easy enough through google. This is never going to end.

YIKES!

Surely, you jest. Are you saying that there is never any time for a parent to relax with friends, that they should be toiling in housework all day, every day?

I'm not saying you could NEVER go out but when you're saying your kids are your "focus" and "priority", you shouldn't be hanging out in the bars at 2am or having girls in bikinis in your front yard. Again, that's JMHO. I know I would be livid if my DH had chicks over in our yard in their bikinis....you think Kate's bad?

They aren't being presented, at all, in the 'sunbathing situation'. That's why people have been speculating on their wherabouts.I doubt that it's being presented, at all. I seriously doubt that most adults run their full schedules by their small children for approval.

Well if the kids were home and not outside, I would think they were either in a part of the house where they didn't notice people sitting in their yard or they weren't there. The also could have been at home and Jon told them he was going out to do yard work. I guess my point is he's either intentially keeping the kids from seeing him and his "friend" together (not saying this is wrong in any way) or he's not being 100% honest with them (again, not saying you need to be 100% honest with children all the time). I know I'm not the only person with a couple of kids who ask where I'm going when I leave the house or gets a phone call from one of my kids in tears wanting to know when I'll be home. Kids ask questions...that's what they do. That's how they learn. I'm not saying anyone, let alone J&K run their weekly schedule by anyone else but I don't think it's out of the ordinary for a kid to ask where you're going, what you're doing, when you'll be home, who else is going, stuff like that. Maybe my kids are just overly nosey...who knows! I also don't have any secrets (except an upcoming SURPRISE Disney birthday trip!) so I generally just tell them I'm going to Kroger or whatever....I don't really do that many exciting things! I also think it's probably a bit more "normal" for the Gosselin kids to have their parents in and out of the house so maybe they just don't ask anymore. I really don't know.

If J&K aren't presenting it, I would have to think another kid or their family is seeing it on tv, in the grocery store, on line, somewhere and either asking or making fun of Mady and Cara for what they've seen, heard or read. If it's to that point (assuming Mady and Cara haven't seen any of it themselves), I would think J&K would address it with their kids.

I don't know about this. At that age, most children assume that the wierdness in thier families is normal.

I think Mady and Cara are old enough that they realize this isn't "normal". They've said on the show several times that they go to friend's houses so they see how other families do things (without film crews, without 6 little brothers and sisters, ect). The little ones, yes. They don't know any different at this point so they do probably assume it's "normal".

I seriously doubt that TLC (or whoever) drew up the contract to protect any of the assets from the parents. It's much more likely that the parents each get paid indivdually. Of course, there is also the money from the speaking tour which has been guestimated to be something like $40k per week.

Like I said, I had no clue what anything said. Just something I was thinking about and put it out there. Maybe there was a prenup tied to the vow renewal? Who knows??? We'll never know.

 

[madge]

After hearing Kate's comments today - and reading Jon's statement - I really, really wish that someone they hold in high regard would convince them that it's time to put a halt to this show and focus on their children and their marriage..

I wonder who that is... since they seem to have cut out so many from their lives.

 

[lucas]

Here is the link from the today show..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpJZxo4_n4

Thanks for posting the link.

 

[sbell111]

... Another observation: Jon says in his statement "I did not cheat on Kate" he did not say "I did not have sex with the girl". I think he sees it as not cheating because they probably have not had a "marrital relationship" in quite some time. If he and Kate are seperated, even if by bedrooms, and live in same house for appearances, he may not see this as cheating on Kate. He probably doesn't see he and Kate havinga relationship to "cheat" on. All symantics. I was reminded of a certain former president that was big on symantics.

I'm not sure if that would be 'all semantics'.

I'm sure that we have all known couples who were separated and on their way to divorce get in 'relationships'. Given that they are separated, many of us would not consider that cheating. If we were to imagine that J&K were separated, but allowing the outside appearance of marriage for the show's sake, how would it be any different? It all really boils down to what J&K's relationship actually is, not what it is presented as being.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Kate ‘hesitant to believe’ Jon was unfaithful
Reality-TV mom vows they will ‘weather this storm’; husband issues denial

By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 8:51 a.m. CT, Thurs., May 7, 2009
The mother of the eight tiny stars of “Jon & Kate Plus 8” vowed Thursday to survive the tabloid firestorm that has erupted over allegations that her husband cheated on her — charges that Jon Gosselin emphatically denies.

Thanks, irishbosoxfan!!!!!!

 

[Cory's Gal]

The college argument is what get me. Parents are not obligated to pay for college. While it is nice, it isn't always possible. I took out student loans (payed off!!) and worked 2 jobs and I did just fine, graduating in 4.5 years.

With that many siblings, the kids will qualify for some grants (one of my many on campus jobs was in financial aid), there are so many scholarships out there for everything under the sun, and loans.

Totally agree with what you are saying, I wonder if Kate was listening to Suze Orman who was on right after her about saving your money in the economy??

Does anyone else find it odd in all the statements that both of them have made that not one of them says "I love my husband" or "I love my wife". They say they care about the kids, love the kids, but what about each other?

I was thinking the same thing, through all this crap that's going on, the never had even tried pledging their love to one another...

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I'm not sure if that would be 'all semantics'.

I'm sure that we have all known couples who were separated and on their way to divorce get in 'relationships'. Given that they are separated, many of us would not consider that cheating. If we were to imagine that J&K were separated, but allowing the outside appearance of marriage for the show's sake, how would it be any different? It all really boils down to what J&K's relationship actually is, not what it is presented as being.

OMG! Just thought of something. Forgive me if someone else has said this already:

Remember the eppi where Jon and Kate told the children that they were never allowed in their room again when they moved into the new house?
I wonder if that was b/c Jon was not sleeping in their bedroom and they didn't want the kids to find out?

 

[OhMari]

Someone should give Kate the Ray Bradbury book, I wish I could remember the name of the book, but I read it way, way back in 7th grade, which was 1975. The book dealt with the future, and how we would all be watching reality tv, 24 hours a day, and watching a family destroy themselves.

Anyway,s if the Gosselins are only receiving $70,000 an episode, TLC is getting by really cheap. I know that is a lot of money for almost all of us, but shoot, Larry Hagman, was making a million an episode in 1978 on Dallas. Wasn't Jennifer Anniston making a quarter of a million an episode when Friends was on. I was watching Jim Belushi show According to Jim, and the wife had twins in real life, and they also brought the story line to the show. You can bet, that $70,000 an episode is not split between the 8 or 9 people on that show.

I read a long time ago, that networks were not having your comedy sitcoms anymore, because they were too expensive to produce, so this was why they went with Reality Shows.

My comment on Kate this morning: Kate said they are dealing with Tabloids like everyone else? Sorry Kate buy I never in my life had to deal with Tabloids. I really wish she would cancel everything and just get out of the public eye. Come back in a year and then let there be an update.

 

[happygirl]

I don't think that Jon is cheating having sex with anyone beside Kate. I think this all is a publicity stunt for the new season to get people to watch to see what they will say or won't say

 

[madge]

I don't think that Jon is cheating having sex with anyone beside Kate. I think this all is a publicity stunt for the new season to get people to watch to see what they will say or won't say

if they have to work this hard to generate interest in the new season, then they really need to get off the air.

 

[OhMari]

I don't think that Jon is cheating having sex with anyone beside Kate. I think this all is a publicity stunt for the new season to get people to watch to see what they will say or won't say

Everyone believed our President (Clinton) too, "wasn't having sex with that women."

I'm glad Jon stayed home with the kids, but if he would of been on the show, I'm sure every "body language" pschycologist out there, would have seen he was lying.

 

[Caribbeanprincess]

I don't know much but what I see, but I wanted to express my thoughts on the recent rumors. I don't believe them. I just wish the family the best and I hope they can deal with it as a family. I'm no one to judge one's decision about whether reality tv is something they should do, I just hope they get through it together and I'm glad they're keeping their dealings private. I love this family and I wish them the best.

 

[happygirl]

Everyone believed our President (Clinton) too, "wasn't having sex with that women."

I'm glad Jon stayed home with the kids, but if he would of been on the show, I'm sure every "body language" pschycologist out there, would have seen he was lying.

LOL not everyone