Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[mjskate04]

I find it very sad how far this whole Jon & Kate situation has gone. I have loved watching the first two seasons of J&K but things have really changed in the recent seasons and they are letting the fame really affect their family. Those children deserve a somewhat normal, private life. Season 3 was so different and season 4 was even worse. There was something so real with those early episodes that we could all somewhat relate to when they were in there 2nd home and Kate was home with the children almost everyday. Their focus then was their family, raising their children and their TV show captured the everyday things that happened. Yes Kate is an organizational perfectionist and very controlling but her children are very well behaved and loved so i have no issues with her way of parenting (i think a lot of parents could learn a LOT from how she parents). Now as much as they say their focus is around their family, it really revolves around money, fame, and publicity. Those children need parents who are home with them, spending time with them, fostering each of them as unique human beings and if Kate is gone the majority of the time doing publicity and Jon is off doing god-knows-what, what is happening to those poor children! The most expensive nanny in the world cannot replace a mother and father raising and spending quality time their kids.

I have to say i dislike Kate's spiky porcupine hair style, her fake and bake tan, loads of makeup and fake smile she plasters on. I also dislike the way all of their outings/activities are now so staged. I miss the days when they did normal, everyday activities with their kids and they weren't put put on a HUGE pedestal, and given extra privileges and perks every moment because they were "The Gosselins". I wish they would stop the show, find a normalcy to their life and refocus on their family of 10 because being in the limelight and a celebrity family isn't helping them. Kate is too celebrity focused! I feel so bad for those children, what they have been drug into!! I will continue to go back to watch those first 2 seasons of J&K........those were the best genuine, pre-drama episodes that i could relate to and understand.

 

[brockash]

Ummm... didn't I remember reading that Jon doesn't have a job and that he had a criminal record of some sort. . . just like the brother. But at least the brother is taking classes.

Is this true??? I had never heard that. Jon had a couple of jobs during the show and then decided to have the show as his job. Anyone else heard of Jon have a criminal record??? Any idea what for???

 

[brockash]

am I understanding that as Kate saying she's acknowledging the affair? wow.

and it's Us Weekly with the story. Wonder what People will have next?

They should leave the children home tomorrow. No need to subject them to this. I would assume the paparazzi will be EVERYWHERE. And if this comes up? Why talk about it in front of them .. maybe they won't.

and her quote? Just keep marching through this? Yeah, Kate's not going away any time soon. Any attention is good attention.

Hmmm.... I'm not taking it as she's acknowledging the/or if any affair. I see the article, of course, trying to spin it that way, but to me it seems like she's referring to all the publicity, and the experience she's going through right now. I, obviously, have no idea if Jon had an affair or not or if Kate thinks he did, but it certainly doesn't seem to me like she's saying he did. It seems like she's being very careful about the words she's using and is not being specific.

 

[madge]

check out the first post (#21) on this page:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wernersville-pa/TOP45U6F50UULN3H7/p2

From February 2:

I am sickened by these people. The community of Berks won't put up the "new money" attitude. Also, I work with young teachers that have been out and about the bar scene in Berks with Jon. I quess karma does work Kate.

 

[brockash]

I took that to mean she's acknowledging it, why else would she say "she didn't see it coming"? They should ABSOLUTELY leave those innocent kids home tomorrow, unless they're planning to use them as some kind of protective shield/barrier against questions regarding the scandal. Ya, they're thinking of the kids alright.



She's just as big of an idiot as Jon then. To say that they're going to keep doing the show, keep marching forward? Hello!! The show has contributed to your current situation (ie: scandal!) so why the heck would you keep doing it and subject the kids to more pain or embarassment? Talk about selfish. I would've at least respected her a tiny bit if she'd said that this whole thing is a mess, our lives are a mess and we're cancelling the show to deal with it and focus our attention completely on the kids. But she didn't. She said the complete opposite...we're going to deal with it privately but put ourselves in front of the camera every week and further subject our lives and children to scrutiny and scandal. It is incredibly revealing to read her own words. She's prepared to milk that show for all it's worth no matter the consequences. I don't think I've felt so sorry for a group of children before in my life. I really wish one of their family members steps in to help.

Kate isn't quoted as saying that. -The article makes that statement, but not Kate. Kate says that none of this could have been predicted, which I'm taking as all the publicity ect. I don't see anything that makes me think Kate's acknowledging an affair to the public. She's seems to be generalizing and being very careful at choosing her words.

 

[madge]

Hmmm.... I'm not taking it as she's acknowledging the/or if any affair. I see the article, of course, trying to spin it that way, but to me it seems like she's referring to all the publicity, and the experience she's going through right now. I, obviously, have no idea if Jon had an affair or not or if Kate thinks he did, but it certainly doesn't seem to me like she's saying he did. It seems like she's being very careful about the words she's using and is not being specific.

the next few days will tell the tale, I think. this one's not going away. Us Weekly has a 6-page spread on this.

 

[madge]

Hmmm.... I'm not taking it as she's acknowledging the/or if any affair. I see the article, of course, trying to spin it that way, but to me it seems like she's referring to all the publicity, and the experience she's going through right now. I, obviously, have no idea if Jon had an affair or not or if Kate thinks he did, but it certainly doesn't seem to me like she's saying he did. It seems like she's being very careful about the words she's using and is not being specific.

reading it again, you may be right... which is part of the reason I asked. I just wasn't sure. LOL

 

[brockash]

reading it again, you may be right... which is part of the reason I asked. I just wasn't sure. LOL

I think you're right that if it she does think he's having an affair and if she is going to acknowlege it, I think it'll be in the coming days, or not for years. I'd really like to know for sure which she actually thinks at this point, but unfortunately I don't think she'll get specific enough. I think maybe, if he didn't have an affair, maybe they'll have some kind of specific comment, but if he did or if their marraige is still on the rocks, I really don't see her acknowledging him having an affair to the public.

I don't really think any of this will come up on the Today show either way, but I certainly hope they wouldn't discuss it in front of their kids I feel so badly for the 8 (especially Maddy and Cara.) Even if nothing actually happened, it really makes very little difference at this point for the kids.

 

[aspen37]

The whole thing is sad. I don't care how mean anyone thinks Kate is she and the children don't deserve this. If Jon has cheated on her then that's very sad. If you don't want to be with your spouse you don't cheat, you tell them you're not happy and either get counseling or leave. This is what adults should do. On the final episode of the season he said he didn't like being followed everywhere when he left home. I summarized what Jon said those were my words not his.
Guess what, he new there were cameras around and I think he wanted to get caught. Why else would he do what he did. I hope they get help. If they don't talk about this on the show then the reality factor she has talked about is gone. This is real life, people have problems. If they act like nothing has happened the show is no longer reality. I have never missed an episode but I'm not sure if I want to watch anymore.

 

[disneymarie]

You Know, it may be that Kate could wake up soon and see the advantage she has of acknowledging and seperating Jon from the entire show. He has to leave the home, she is in charge of the cash flow, on moves in with his Mom.

Kate has more of the sympathy, or those that say she drove him to it...
But, it is perfect timing for the court to observe his behavior as inappropriate to manage the childrens earnings and assests.
Kate can get legal custody, and joint visitation....

Jon has to take the children with 23 yr old to visits to nanny sit 8 kids, whining crying for Mommy; whilest and they have a wonderful day of writing checks, looking for jobs, and the cars go bye bye...

With everything so public, it is not without consulting an attorney first and then play her ace in by the time the season airs....
Without saying anything she is saying alot!

When things are going sour or are going really great, many renew vows....

But, what I would love her to do is dump him on live TV,
I could see if they did not get along, seperated and had appropriate lives, but this is some kind of spoiled boy that is worse then the nastiest Kate could ever be by affecting the children this way.

 

[davidsprincess]

Hmmm.... I'm not taking it as she's acknowledging the/or if any affair. I see the article, of course, trying to spin it that way, but to me it seems like she's referring to all the publicity, and the experience she's going through right now. I, obviously, have no idea if Jon had an affair or not or if Kate thinks he did, but it certainly doesn't seem to me like she's saying he did. It seems like she's being very careful about the words she's using and is not being specific.

totally what I thought.

You Know, it may be that Kate could wake up soon and see the advantage she has of acknowledging and seperating Jon from the entire show. He has to leave the home, she is in charge of the cash flow, on moves in with his Mom

That would be an interesting show, her as a single mom raising 8 kids and the challanges that come along with it.

 

[PaulaSB12]

You Know, it may be that Kate could wake up soon and see the advantage she has of acknowledging and seperating Jon from the entire show. He has to leave the home, she is in charge of the cash flow, on moves in with his Mom.

Kate has more of the sympathy, or those that say she drove him to it...
But, it is perfect timing for the court to observe his behavior as inappropriate to manage the childrens earnings and assests.
Kate can get legal custody, and joint visitation....

Jon has to take the children with 23 yr old to visits to nanny sit 8 kids, whining crying for Mommy; whilest and they have a wonderful day of writing checks, looking for jobs, and the cars go bye bye...

With everything so public, it is not without consulting an attorney first and then play her ace in by the time the season airs....
Without saying anything she is saying alot!

When things are going sour or are going really great, many renew vows....

But, what I would love her to do is dump him on live TV,
I could see if they did not get along, seperated and had appropriate lives, but this is some kind of spoiled boy that is worse then the nastiest Kate could ever be by affecting the children this way.

I have seen some of the shows now and the way she has hit and belittled her husband she needs to be the one to leave the home. She is teaching her sons that what men think and do in a relationship is rubbish and that they better get used to be treated like dirt and the girls that violence against a spouse is ok, what kind of message is that? How much damage is that going to give their future relationships, spouse abuse should not be given excuses whether the person doing the abuse is male or female.

About Domestic Violence Against Men
(oregoncounseling . org)

* This risk of violence increases when the woman insults the man in front of their children, threatens the man's relationship with his children, or she refuses to control her abusive behavior when the children are present. She may call him a terrible father or an awful husband in front of the children. Eventually he feels enraged not only because of how she treats him, but how her behavior is harming the children. At some point the man may throw something, punch a wall, or slam his fist down loudly to vent his anger and to communicate that he has reached his limits. Up till now she has never listened to what he had to say. He decides that maybe she will stop if she can see just how angry he has become. Rather than recognizing that he has reached his limits, expressing his anger physically has the opposite effect. For a long time the man has tried to hide his anger. Why should the woman believe he really means it? After all, he has put up with her abuse for a long time and done nothing. Instead of realizing that things have gotten out of control, the woman may approach him and say something like, "What are you gonna do. Hit me? Go ahead. I'll call the police and you'll never see your children again." Once he expressed his anger physically, the situation became dangerous for him and for her. The door to violence has opened wide. He should walk away. When he does walk away, she ends up more angry than ever, will scream obscenities at him and strike him repeatedly. She may even strike him with an object.

http://www2.canada.com/victoriatime....html?id=c7261e56-6285-4d7c-9e68-c0d9bca86a55

 

[disneymarie]

I have seen some of the shows now and the way she has hit and belittled her husband she needs to be the one to leave the home. She is teaching her sons that what men think and do in a relationship is rubbish and that they better get used to be treated like dirt and the girls that violence against a spouse is ok, what kind of message is that? How much damage is that going to give their future relationships, spouse abuse should not be given excuses whether the person doing the abuse is male or female.

About Domestic Violence Against Men
(oregoncounseling . org)

* This risk of violence increases when the woman insults the man in front of their children, threatens the man's relationship with his children, or she refuses to control her abusive behavior when the children are present. She may call him a terrible father or an awful husband in front of the children. Eventually he feels enraged not only because of how she treats him, but how her behavior is harming the children. At some point the man may throw something, punch a wall, or slam his fist down loudly to vent his anger and to communicate that he has reached his limits. Up till now she has never listened to what he had to say. He decides that maybe she will stop if she can see just how angry he has become. Rather than recognizing that he has reached his limits, expressing his anger physically has the opposite effect. For a long time the man has tried to hide his anger. Why should the woman believe he really means it? After all, he has put up with her abuse for a long time and done nothing. Instead of realizing that things have gotten out of control, the woman may approach him and say something like, "What are you gonna do. Hit me? Go ahead. I'll call the police and you'll never see your children again." Once he expressed his anger physically, the situation became dangerous for him and for her. The door to violence has opened wide. He should walk away. When he does walk away, she ends up more angry than ever, will scream obscenities at him and strike him repeatedly. She may even strike him with an object.

http://www2.canada.com/victoriatime....html?id=c7261e56-6285-4d7c-9e68-c0d9bca86a55

I worked in law enforcement and social work with parents that had to be supervised for visits with kiddos. The Gosslins are not perfect, but far from punching holes in walls and each other. Kate is too smart, the pen has more wrath to scorn then any of her small slaps.

She knew she had cameras on her and still was free enough to smack Emeril with a spatchula, I don't see her throwing things...
But the big ole red spot on his fordead to cause me pause, I can totally see her not that it is proper standing in front of him arguing what a &()_$^ he is a use the heel of her hand and bop him.
No That is not right....but so Kate.

The children I have seen more verbal abuse from Jon's crappy attitude, his whining, wandering away and leaving others to keep the kids together, and then turn round and yell at Kate, What did you want me to do? DUH....
He has far too much to take care of all the kids. When they are toddlers they are like having a nursey school room going on with mediating and entertaining,.

THey need two houses on that big lot.....SPlit half the kids back and forth with chill pills....Just joking.

Really they need a combination of Dr. Phil, lol, Dr. Laura, Dr. Ruth, and the Nanny cam.

 

[madge]

they just said on The Today Show that it's a live, exclusive interview with KATE. All the clips shown are of Kate or of Jon and Kate looking miserable. Unless it's just a gimmick, it sounds like it may just be Kate today.

 

[debden]

That would be an interesting show, her as a single mom raising 8 kids and the challanges that come along with it.

She could contact Marie Osmond.She has some experience raising 8 kids by herself.

 

[DreaGirl]

Have to get the kids up, but here is the US article. I'll go back and read posts at naptime.

http://hollywoodspotlite.com/news/2009/05/06/jon-kate-who-cheated-first/

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Anybody know what time she is scheduled for? I work half a block from the Today show studio and might need to wander over.

 

[Clarice]

Coming up next after the break... she doesn't look happy!!!

 

[Clarice]

Kate says she is very hesitant to believe any of it. They are dealing with it privately and they are working through it together.

 

[HonnyDipp]

I'm watching it too. She does seem angry and tired. I still think they need to stop with the camera's and books, and focus on healing their family.