Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

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Of course, I bet Kate could care less what anyone else but Jon thinks about anything she does, don't you? :laughing:

do you think Kate cares what Jon thinks about what she does? I'm not convinced that she does. At least not all the time.

I have a feeling if Kate wants it, Kate might get it. She and I are similar that way. :lmao:
 
Your confussed I am even more confused, what they heck do you mean?

Whitney missed me! :cool1: I was on vacation!

I'm going to go out on a limb here (speaking for Whitney, since I'm online right now and she isn't) and say that she missed me being around since I'm a fellow basher ;)

If that isn't it, then we're BOTH confused!
 
I admit that I believed Pennmommy and I felt really bad when I heard that her son died. Now I feel taken but hey that's what happens sometimes. :rolleyes:

I do think some of the people on GWOP have waaaaay too much time on their hands and are overly critical. I haven't read there in a while but I like to read the gosselins sightings section. :rolleyes1

Anyways,lesson learned. Don't believe everything you read. Anyone can be anybody at anytime on the internet. :upsidedow

That said, I'm growing increasingly bored with the family and the drama surrounding it. I think now that they are promoting their show and such it's just same old same old. They aren't a real family anymore.

Me, too. I question everything now. I will continue to watch the show because my kids like it and there is precious little you can actually watch together as a family. The sextuplets are adorable and worth the price of admission just for being themselves. ;)
 

anyone interested in buying the book should just order it on-line. it comes out next week and the prices are already over 30% lower than the cover price (and a couple of places are doing free s/h).
 
Whoa!! I thought I'd never see the day! Some of you who seemed to be hardcore anti-JK are actually relenting a bit. Wow. I think PennMommy may have actually helped JK, which I'm sure he/she/it is thrilled about. :laughing:
 
Whoa!! I thought I'd never see the day! Some of you who seemed to be hardcore anti-JK are actually relenting a bit. Wow. I think PennMommy may have actually helped JK, which I'm sure he/she/it is thrilled about. :laughing:

::: looks around ::::

you don't mean meee, do you?! :lmao:

Most of my opinions about Jon & Kate stand. I'm irritated and disappointed that PennMommy ended up being a fraud, mostly because I got sucked into her drama. And from what I've read, I believe the way she manipulated people's emotions about her fictional son's death was far worse than weaving a tale of lies about Jon & Kate. Because, let's face it, most of what she claimed wasn't new information ... it was just presented in a way to make people think she had evidence to back it up. Rumors rehashed, IMO.

I still watch each episode and try to look at it as objectively as I can (staying away from GWoP ;) ) and form an opinion after that. There are some episodes I'm much more critical of than others. I don't read too much (or try not to) into their actual family dynamic outside of what I've seen for myself. All that talk about behavior issues, learning disabilities, Kate's relationships with her family, etc. Absolutely none of my business. I don't think we (the viewers) see enough of the day to day life to make those kinds of assessments.

I think it's interesting to watch the shows in chronological order, following along with the archives of their blog. Those two things alone are pretty telling ... but, if you factor in Julie's blog as even half-truths ... I don't think it paints a very flattering picture of Jon & Kate Gosselin. Maybe the end justifies the means. I don't know. I wonder what effect this will have on the children, when the cameras are gone and the show is over. Someday, they'll all be older and able to Google what the world has had to say about their family.
 
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you don't mean meee, do you?! :lmao:

Most of my opinions about Jon & Kate stand. I'm irritated and disappointed that PennMommy ended up being a fraud, mostly because I got sucked into her drama. And from what I've read, I believe the way she manipulated people's emotions about her fictional son's death was far worse than weaving a tale of lies about Jon & Kate. Because, let's face it, most of what she claimed wasn't new information ... it was just presented in a way to make people think she had evidence to back it up. Rumors rehashed, IMO.

I still watch each episode and try to look at it as objectively as I can (staying away from GWoP ;) ) and form an opinion after that. There are some episodes I'm much more critical of than others. I don't read too much (or try not to) into their actual family dynamic outside of what I've seen for myself. All that talk about behavior issues, learning disabilities, Kate's relationships with her family, etc. Absolutely none of my business. I don't think we (the viewers) see enough of the day to day life to make those kinds of assessments.

I think it's interesting to watch the shows in chronological order, following along with the archives of their blog. Those two things alone are pretty telling ... but, if you factor in Julie's blog as even half-truths ... I don't think it paints a very flattering picture of Jon & Kate Gosselin. Maybe the end justifies the means. I don't know. I wonder what effect this will have on the children, when the cameras are gone and the show is over. Someday, they'll all be older and able to Google what the world has had to say about their family.

:laughing: I was referring to some of those who'll believe anything about JK as long as it's negative. Thanks to PennCompulsiveLiar, there seems to be a change of heart (or mind?).

Someone (maybe you) said this is all to be expected with any celebrity. Build 'em up, tear 'em down. I'd bet a lot of these people were all over JK when the fame started. Now that they're not benefitting from it, down with the Gosselins. It's in human nature to want to benefit ourselves. Very few people are truly selfless, and none of them are involved in this drama.
 
Jodi's sister is associated with PennMommy and has not address the fact that she is a fraud. GWOP has deleted all PennMommy's post but no comment about why.

Because as the old quote says: "An enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Jodi's sister only cared that the PM hated Kate. Whether or not she was a fraud wouldn't matter. PM made Kate look bad.
 
Whoa!! I thought I'd never see the day! Some of you who seemed to be hardcore anti-JK are actually relenting a bit. Wow. I think PennMommy may have actually helped JK, which I'm sure he/she/it is thrilled about. :laughing:


if anything the whole 'pennmommy' thing makes me more critical of how ill advised continuing with the show in it's current format (regular series vs annual or less frequent update specials) is.

that one person would take the time and effort to create such an elaborate charade that includes representing (and perhaps truly perceiving) herself as an intimate to the family shows how the line has been crossed with a certain population where they can no longer reccognize that these children are reality not a made for t.v. fantasy (though some would say it is blurred through production and editing). fortunatly pennmommy apparantly never made any attempts to physicaly come in real contact with the family, but that's not to say that there are'nt lots of other mentaly unstable persons like her (or him? not sure it's ever been determined) who would take it that dangerous step further.

there is way too much information available on the family-people study those episodes scene by scene and can detail out the floor plans to their home, people know when the kids get on and off the school bus, following their speaking scheduals and know when the kids are traveling to venues or j&k are traveling alone, there are 'gosselin sighting' blogs devoted to reporting the names of places they frequent. it only takes one deluded crackpot who decides to 'rescue' the kids, punish j&k for what they perceive as their inappropriate parenting, or on the other side of the coin pursue what they perceive in their delusional mind as an already existing relationship (it's nice people send them gifts but when you are thanking them on the air even unnamed and then showing the kids wearing those cute matching t-shirts or backpacks that a viewer customized and sent in, some sick, sad, lonely people perceive that as creating a familial bond :sad2: ) and it's a horrendous tragedy. this does'nt even touch on truely predatory types that are seeing more of these children's intimate moments than most of us see of any children other than our own-that type of mind is not waiting for an opportunity they are counting on it.

unless those kids are going to be provided with 24/7 security in every place they go (as many of the celebs already do for their kids and claim to detest that despite their best efforts to keep their kids out of the limelite they have no choice because of whacko stalkers) i fear for them. there are too many sickos out there-pennmommy's damage seems to be limited to the extent of emotionaly messing with the minds of those who read her posts, it's the ones who are'nt posting their delusions that worry me much more.
 
I completely agree with you re: the children's safety. What would stop one of these nut jobs from "saving" them? If the kids are leaving the house without their parents or security guards, it would be very easy for some psycho to kidnap one of them.


if anything the whole 'pennmommy' thing makes me more critical of how ill advised continuing with the show in it's current format (regular series vs annual or less frequent update specials) is.

that one person would take the time and effort to create such an elaborate charade that includes representing (and perhaps truly perceiving) herself as an intimate to the family shows how the line has been crossed with a certain population where they can no longer reccognize that these children are reality not a made for t.v. fantasy (though some would say it is blurred through production and editing). fortunatly pennmommy apparantly never made any attempts to physicaly come in real contact with the family, but that's not to say that there are'nt lots of other mentaly unstable persons like her (or him? not sure it's ever been determined) who would take it that dangerous step further.

there is way too much information available on the family-people study those episodes scene by scene and can detail out the floor plans to their home, people know when the kids get on and off the school bus, following their speaking scheduals and know when the kids are traveling to venues or j&k are traveling alone, there are 'gosselin sighting' blogs devoted to reporting the names of places they frequent. it only takes one deluded crackpot who decides to 'rescue' the kids, punish j&k for what they perceive as their inappropriate parenting, or on the other side of the coin pursue what they perceive in their delusional mind as an already existing relationship (it's nice people send them gifts but when you are thanking them on the air even unnamed and then showing the kids wearing those cute matching t-shirts or backpacks that a viewer customized and sent in, some sick, sad, lonely people perceive that as creating a familial bond :sad2: ) and it's a horrendous tragedy. this does'nt even touch on truely predatory types that are seeing more of these children's intimate moments than most of us see of any children other than our own-that type of mind is not waiting for an opportunity they are counting on it.

unless those kids are going to be provided with 24/7 security in every place they go (as many of the celebs already do for their kids and claim to detest that despite their best efforts to keep their kids out of the limelite they have no choice because of whacko stalkers) i fear for them. there are too many sickos out there-pennmommy's damage seems to be limited to the extent of emotionaly messing with the minds of those who read her posts, it's the ones who are'nt posting their delusions that worry me much more.
 
Because as the old quote says: "An enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Jodi's sister only cared that the PM hated Kate. Whether or not she was a fraud wouldn't matter. PM made Kate look bad.
for what it's worth ... Julie has removed her comments associated to Penn Mommy from her blog. Maybe she realized the truth on her own, just later than others. I doubt we'll ever know.
 
if anything the whole 'pennmommy' thing makes me more critical of how ill advised continuing with the show in it's current format (regular series vs annual or less frequent update specials) is.

that one person would take the time and effort to create such an elaborate charade that includes representing (and perhaps truly perceiving) herself as an intimate to the family shows how the line has been crossed with a certain population where they can no longer reccognize that these children are reality not a made for t.v. fantasy (though some would say it is blurred through production and editing). fortunatly pennmommy apparantly never made any attempts to physicaly come in real contact with the family, but that's not to say that there are'nt lots of other mentaly unstable persons like her (or him? not sure it's ever been determined) who would take it that dangerous step further.

there is way too much information available on the family-people study those episodes scene by scene and can detail out the floor plans to their home, people know when the kids get on and off the school bus, following their speaking scheduals and know when the kids are traveling to venues or j&k are traveling alone, there are 'gosselin sighting' blogs devoted to reporting the names of places they frequent. it only takes one deluded crackpot who decides to 'rescue' the kids, punish j&k for what they perceive as their inappropriate parenting, or on the other side of the coin pursue what they perceive in their delusional mind as an already existing relationship (it's nice people send them gifts but when you are thanking them on the air even unnamed and then showing the kids wearing those cute matching t-shirts or backpacks that a viewer customized and sent in, some sick, sad, lonely people perceive that as creating a familial bond :sad2: ) and it's a horrendous tragedy. this does'nt even touch on truely predatory types that are seeing more of these children's intimate moments than most of us see of any children other than our own-that type of mind is not waiting for an opportunity they are counting on it.

unless those kids are going to be provided with 24/7 security in every place they go (as many of the celebs already do for their kids and claim to detest that despite their best efforts to keep their kids out of the limelite they have no choice because of whacko stalkers) i fear for them. there are too many sickos out there-pennmommy's damage seems to be limited to the extent of emotionaly messing with the minds of those who read her posts, it's the ones who are'nt posting their delusions that worry me much more.

VERY well said.
 
if anything the whole 'pennmommy' thing makes me more critical of how ill advised continuing with the show in it's current format (regular series vs annual or less frequent update specials) is.

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If someone is that sick, though, it doesn't matter how often the family is on tv. It could seem like it does to a "normal" person like (most of) us. If someone has it in their mind to do something, they're not going to care if they're on tv daily or not. Actually, seeing them on tv could keep a person at bay. If they're obsessed with the family and they're taken off the air, how will they seem them except to find them in person.

I agree that the kids' (and Jon and Kate's, for that matter) safety should be a top priority, but the psychos, if they're going to, have already locked on.
 
I agree that the kids' (and Jon and Kate's, for that matter) safety should be a top priority, but the psychos, if they're going to, have already locked on.
I think there will be a new wave of popularity now that the Gosselins are making appearances in the mainstream media (Regis & Kelly, etc). I know the show is highly-rated, but it is on cable. That does limit the exposure somewhat.

Paul Peterson has a new article up about not just the Gosselins, but several of the kid-based reality shows.
 
do you think Kate cares what Jon thinks about what she does? I'm not convinced that she does. At least not all the time.

LOL when I typed it I first had that I bet Kate didn't care what anyone else thought, but then I reconsidered that out of anyone there she might care about Jon's opinion (at least occasionally) :laughing:

It seems like she cares how he thinks she looks (and vice-versa) and sometimes she does look over at him to see if he agrees with her when she makes a comment. It also seems like she's tight with him about the way they are bringing up the kids :goodvibes

As far as her caring what anyone else thinks though, hmmm, probably not so much. :rotfl:
 
if anything the whole 'pennmommy' thing makes me more critical of how ill advised continuing with the show in it's current format (regular series vs annual or less frequent update specials) is.


there is way too much information available on the family-people study those episodes scene by scene and can detail out the floor plans to their home, people know when the kids get on and off the school bus, following their speaking scheduals and know when the kids are traveling to venues or j&k are traveling alone, there are 'gosselin sighting' blogs devoted to reporting the names of places they frequent. it only takes one deluded crackpot who decides to 'rescue' the kids, punish j&k for what they perceive as their inappropriate parenting, or on the other side of the coin pursue what they perceive in their delusional mind as an already existing relationship (it's nice people send them gifts but when you are thanking them on the air even unnamed and then showing the kids wearing those cute matching t-shirts or backpacks that a viewer customized and sent in, some sick, sad, lonely people perceive that as creating a familial bond :sad2: ) and it's a horrendous tragedy....
there are too many sickos out there-pennmommy's damage seems to be limited to the extent of emotionaly messing with the minds of those who read her posts, it's the ones who are'nt posting their delusions that worry me much more.

I agree with you and appreciate your post. I don't know of another child celebrity or children of celebrities who we know so much about. We are "in" their home, their only refuge, each time we watch.

It is really voyueristic in nature, and this creates the obsession at both ends of the spectrum. I hope they reevaluate as you said, the constant exposure and intimate details. I know they will put their kids' safety first; this has to have gotten scary for them all.

Obsessed fans have historically spelled out tragedy. I think the "Kate Haters" as some of you all refer to them are actually obsessed fans. They want to save the kids from their situation. They don't talk badly about the kids, usually just the opposite. I think they are just as much fans as the grown woman posting on the fan sites as "maddycaragrandma" and "lexisbiggestfan" and those posting birthday wishes to the twins saying, "You all are very special little girls." They don't know them. These types ask for an endless amount of exposure to feel more a part of their lives.

I don't know of course, but I hope Jon and Kate have someone who loves them looking out for them, giving them advice, being objective from the outside. I still value my parent's opinions on many things.
 
Ever think that some of the points the PP have made about the obsessed fans is another reason why they want to move? They've said they want to leave PA, get more land, etc. They probably want the more land so they can add security so that people won't be stopping by their house, talking to the kids, etc. Move out of state so that it will take the obsessed fans some time to figure out just where they are. I would hope that when they move they don't get away as much personal imformation that people can find them. There are obsessed crazy fans for almost any type of celebrity: athletes, actresses, actors, reality show personalities. Jon and Kate do need to think about the kids' safety and probably shouldn't reveal so much personal information about their location, where they are, etc.
 
Ever think that some of the points the PP have made about the obsessed fans is another reason why they want to move? They've said they want to leave PA, get more land, etc. They probably want the more land so they can add security so that people won't be stopping by their house, talking to the kids, etc. Move out of state so that it will take the obsessed fans some time to figure out just where they are. I would hope that when they move they don't get away as much personal imformation that people can find them. There are obsessed crazy fans for almost any type of celebrity: athletes, actresses, actors, reality show personalities. Jon and Kate do need to think about the kids' safety and probably shouldn't reveal so much personal information about their location, where they are, etc.

then why show houses that they're looking to buy? it didn't take long for the real estate listings to show up online ... and even if they aren't seriously considering those houses, why even talk about it? that just puts someone on the trail to follow.

John & Kate are now surrounded by TV execs and PR people who are making money off of them .. as a result, it seems to me like they've given up control of what's happening with the show/their life. At least in the beginning of the series, they were making immature decisions/mistakes (that come with the territory, no doubt) but, it was clear that they were the ones calling the shots and making the mistakes. IF they truly have no family in their lives, I do hope they have someone who isn't financially invested in their future advising them on their decisions.
 
then why show houses that they're looking to buy? it didn't take long for the real estate listings to show up online ... and even if they aren't seriously considering those houses, why even talk about it? that just puts someone on the trail to follow.

John & Kate are now surrounded by TV execs and PR people who are making money off of them .. as a result, it seems to me like they've given up control of what's happening with the show/their life. At least in the beginning of the series, they were making immature decisions/mistakes (that come with the territory, no doubt) but, it was clear that they were the ones calling the shots and making the mistakes. IF they truly have no family in their lives, I do hope they have someone who isn't financially invested in their future advising them on their decisions.

Or puts them off the trail completely. They could be moving to a completely different region than any of the locations shown.

I definitely agree with you on the last part. A production company and all its lawyers can be very tricky. It would have been smart for them to get a lawyer of their own before this all started. Of course, no one could have known how big they would be. Who knows, they could be contract-bound to do all these seasons. As non-show business people, they may have no idea what their rights are regarding the show.

Now that you're back, Madge, this thread is always on the "new posts" list in my subscriptions. :lmao:
 
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