Joining the Ranks of DSLR Owners

dalstitch45

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Hey Diser's,

I am looking at buying a DSLR camera. I will list the things I need this cameras to do, and maybe get some direction on the camera to buy. I have been reading the threads on this board, and they seem to lean more toward the Nikon line. With that said, these are the things/qualities I need from the camera:

1. I take lots of fireworks pictures at Disney.

2. Something that takes pictures in low lighting, or inside the theaters/shows.

3. Something that takes good action photos.

4. I take pictures at football games (NFL). Need something that would not necessarily need additional lenses at the game.

Other than the football games, having different lens is not an issue. I just want to be able to take good pictures. Everything I have seen is in the $600 to $800 range, plus any additional lenses I would need.

I really know nothing about which camera I should buy. I would be going from an EasyShare Camera, and the pictures I take from the my Sony Handycam. I am going to take a basic photography class, but I won't start until next week. Any help would be appreciated from you guys, the experts.
 
Check out the Pentax K-r. You will get a faster burst rate for the money than you get with Canon or Nikon. That will be a very nice feature for action shots. The K-r with 18-55mm and 50-300mm is $847.45 from Adorama right now. http://www.adorama.com/IPXKRBKT3A.html Then for low light, they have the Pentax SMCP-DA 35mm f/2.4 for $219.95 http://www.adorama.com/PX3524.html

Also give Sony a look because they also offer a little more for your money compared to Canon and Nikon. With the big names comes big name premium pricing for comparable features. Unless you plan on being a professional, there will be about anything you need available in all brands. If you do plan on be a pro, then Canon or Nikon are are the way to go. Of the two, I prefer Nikon.
 
Thanks ukcatfan. At this point, I haven't thought about being a pro. I will check those out.
 
When it comes to Action and NFL games, yes burst rate is important... But the differences are not huge and lens selection was much more important for me.

When I was shopping around Canon and Nikon were the only real option for my type of shooting. Yes there are third party lenses, but all the sports shooters I talked to mentioned focus is noticeably inferior to those nice Nikon and Canon lenses.

Decide what lenses are on your list... Every single sports shooter I know(bout a hundred) owns a 70-200mm 2.8
 

Any of the entry level DSLR cameras on up paired with the right lens can do what you listed. I do agree that you get the most for your money with a Pentax.
 
I just bought my first DSLR camera! I was really looking at the Nikon D3100 because I had read that it was very user friendly and a great starter camera.

Well, I believe I read UKCATFAN suggest the Pentax K-X in another thread. I started researching that and decided on that one.

The cheapest I could find was at Tristate Camera for $465 then use 5OFF as a coupon code and it comes down to $460, free shipping Ground and no tax :banana: That was for the Chocolate or Beige.

I have NO IDEA if that would be an option for you but I was so happy with the price that I had to share....

Thanks UKCATFAN:goodvibes
 
4. I take pictures at football games (NFL). Need something that would not necessarily need additional lenses at the game.

Other than the football games, having different lens is not an issue. I just want to be able to take good pictures. Everything I have seen is in the $600 to $800 range, plus any additional lenses I would need.

When it comes to Action and NFL games, yes burst rate is important... But the differences are not huge and lens selection was much more important for me.

When I was shopping around Canon and Nikon were the only real option for my type of shooting. Yes there are third party lenses, but all the sports shooters I talked to mentioned focus is noticeably inferior to those nice Nikon and Canon lenses.

Decide what lenses are on your list... Every single sports shooter I know(bout a hundred) owns a 70-200mm 2.8

I could be wrong, but I am guessing based on the things I bolded above that this person is not interested in a over $2k lens at this point.
 
I just bought my first DSLR camera! I was really looking at the Nikon D3100 because I had read that it was very user friendly and a great starter camera.

Well, I believe I read UKCATFAN suggest the Pentax K-X in another thread. I started researching that and decided on that one.

The cheapest I could find was at Tristate Camera for $465 then use 5OFF as a coupon code and it comes down to $460, free shipping Ground and no tax :banana: That was for the Chocolate or Beige.

I have NO IDEA if that would be an option for you but I was so happy with the price that I had to share....

Thanks UKCATFAN:goodvibes

You're welcome!

The K-x is still a great deal and something for the OP to consider. I suggested the newer K-r since the budget allows for it.
 
I could be wrong, but I am guessing based on the things I bolded above that this person is not interested in a over $2k lens at this point.



Correct... Not at this point, but if one is a sports shooter there may come a point down the road. Just pointing out what should be a consideration when buying into a system with action and sports in mind.

And you must be talking about IS lenses, IS is not really used for action and sports unless one wants subject blur. For the most part, sports demand higher shutter speeds.

On the used market one can find Canon 70-200mm F:2.8 non IS for under $1,000, the sigma versions are usable but not equal and tamron focus is way too slow.
 
Correct... Not at this point, but if one is a sports shooter there may come a point down the road. Just pointing out what should be a consideration when buying into a system with action and sports in mind.

And you must be talking about IS lenses, IS is not really used for action and sports unless one wants subject blur. For the most part, sports demand higher shutter speeds.

On the used market one can find Canon 70-200mm F:2.8 non IS for under $1,000, the sigma versions are usable but not equal and tamron focus is way too slow.

True that people should consider their future when making a decision, but I always throw one thing in to that argument. If upgrading to advanced equipment in the future, something like a kit lens and other inexpensive lenses would be replaced anyway along with the new professional quality body. I have four lenses for my K-x and if I wanted to upgrade to a higher grade body, I would only want to keep using one of them. So at the worst I would be without one $200 lens if I switched brands, which is not exactly a big deal if I were buying a camera for over $1k.

I don't know all that much about the Canon lenses, but I thought the $2k+ lens was the one that most people bought and loved so much. I know that IS is not useful for action, but I thought I heard that there was something else better about the IS one compared to the $1,400 model. Adding IS for $800 is a pretty hefty premium for just that. :scared1:
 
If upgrading to advanced equipment in the future, something like a kit lens and other inexpensive lenses would be replaced anyway along with the new professional quality body.

I cant afford to replace all my equipment at once, I bought my lenses for my old body... Just replacing the body to use with my existing lenses.

If I could afford to replace body and lenses at the same time, I would.
 
I cant afford to replace all my equipment at once, I bought my lenses for my old body... Just replacing the body to use with my existing lenses.

If I could afford to replace body and lenses at the same time, I would.

That is not my point. What I am saying is that basic entry level lenses are not good enough for a higher end body. If that is what you have and you upgrade your body then you are not going to want to continue using those lenses. (I am relatively certain that you do not just have entry level gear, so you are not in this position) Have you ever seen someone with a 7D using a 18-55mm kit lens? I have not and doubt that there is anyone doing it. So, if in the future I want to move up to a higher level of gear, it is almost certainly going to be at around the same time I want to upgrade the body. Maybe not the same day, but around the same time. Since I am really only invested in entry level gear, I can switch brands easily. I actually made this decision myself a year ago when I upgraded my body to the K-x. It is still entry level, but I considered switching brands since it would not cost me that much more to replace everything.

Just the same, you don't see very many people using high end lenses on entry level bodies. About the minimum I notice for those people are like a 50D for Canon or D90 for Nikon. It is because most people willing to drop over a grand on a lens is willing to go the extra bit to upgrade the body to something above entry level. Keep in mind also that while this stuff is not cheap, compared to other hobbies like golf, even high end gear is less than many people spend on their hobbies.
 
That is not my point. What I am saying is that basic entry level lenses are not good enough for a higher end body....

Not my point either...

Nothing wrong with buying a entry or mid level camera with kit lens AT THIS POINT, and then saving to buy a NICE lens at some POINT DOWN THE ROAD.

You implied that if they buy a sub $800 body at THIS POINT and later they need a NICE lens they would upgrade body at the same time anyways, some of us cant afford that.

"If upgrading to advanced equipment in the future, something like a kit lens and other inexpensive lenses would be replaced anyway along with the new professional quality body."



Just the same, you don't see very many people using high end lenses on entry level bodies.

I see it all the time.

I would take good glass on a entry level body vs high end body with entry level glass...


But you are free to disagree on all points, I am good with it.
 
I agree with the gist of what ukcatfan is saying. Unless your goal in photography is shooting professionally, and soon, it shouldn't really factor into your brand choice. (and when you're talking about professionally shooting professional sports, you're in the realm of $5k camera bodies w/ $5k lenses attached).

Also agree that you'll get more for your money at the entry level with Pentax or Sony. Pentax has some really fantastic entry level models now and a great (and more affordable) lens lineup. Sony has the new SLT tech that gives very fast burst rates and the best AF (by far) during video, with the "tradeoff" being an electronic viewfinder (I own the Sony A55 and don't consider the EVF a downside at all anymore - I've actually started preferring it).

I plan to shoot portraits professionally someday, and I know that eventually it'll mean that I will have to dump all my APS-C glass, go full frame and do some heavy lens investment, but for now in the years that I've been learning, having body-IS has saved me a LOT of money.
 
Just to add to the point, there are many levels of what can be called 'professional'...there are career photographers with contracts who earn regular salary/pay, there are freelancers who can be very successful earning a living, there are freelancers not quite earning a healthy living but devoted to the cause, and there are those who don't earn nearly enough to live on, and use photography as a supplementary income. How much camera or lens any individual needs isn't just based on the label 'professional', but on their very specific types of shooting, and how often that type of shooting must be done.

No question, those in the first category should get themselves into the Canon or Nikon system, and never look back - those two companies have full pro bodies built for ridiculous abuse and high shutter actuations, with full pro support with dedicated lines, overnight lens replacement on-site, and more. I think we can all agree this class of photographer likely represents all of roughly 1% of the photograph-taking world. Or less. It probably represents .0001% of all Disboard members, or less.

Those in the second category would probably still need to stick with Canon or Nikon - their only source of income still comes from photography, and they cannot risk any downtime - the pro support would be the biggest selling factor, along with specialty lens needs that would be hard to find or service with any other brand. I'd venture a guess that we're still under 5% of the total photograph-taking world, and likely still less than 1% of Disboards for this class of photographer.

Once you get into the other 'professional' class of photographer, the need to stick with Canon or Nikon pretty much fades to a choice or desire, rather than a necessity. They have advantages, unquestionably - they have more bodies to choose from, more lenses currently available to choose from, and easier access to rental lenses or sharing/borrowing lenses from others, since more people are shooting with those two brands. They make fine cameras that are very capable. However, the other brands have their advantages too, and a professional who isn't in the top tiers might find the advantages of Pentax or Sony suit their needs well, even better than Canon or Nikon. They too make fine cameras, and have specialized features like in-body stabilization or fast live view systems with phase detect AF, that can make them stand out against competitors. And though not as many current lenses, both Pentax and Sony have good legacy lenses available with good backwards compatibility, including that in-body stabilization perk which allows even old manual lenses or fast primes to still get stabilized.

I am a 'professional' photographer, by other than the top 2 definitions above. I earn money from photography, but don't earn a living with it. I have found for my needs that the Sony DSLR system works perfectly - the advantages of the system outweigh the disadvantages for me, and I have been able to satisfy my need for very good 'pro' level glass by dipping into the Minolta G APO lens legacy, which was Minolta's pro level glass similar to Canon's L glass - heavy metal bodies, top-grade optics, lots of adjustability. I can keep my large lens collection, and move to different bodies (as I've already done once) to move up to the next evolution of technology, in order to get things like high ISO capabilities and burst speed advances (my first body couldn't shoot well above ISO1600 and was 3fps...my current body shoots well to ISO6400 and can go up to 7fps).

Just to put things in perspective. I often see reference made to moving away from the 'entry-level' as being a sign of a beginner becoming a real photographer, and how once a person gets to this level of skill and realization, they're only going to be well served by a Canon or a Nikon. Often, this advice generalizes by classifying all photographers in only two categories - beginner, or career professional. It misses the many levels in between, of advanced beginners, growing enthusiasts, super-skilled non-professionals, light pros, secondary-income pros, freelance pros for social events, freelance periodical staff photographers, and right on up to full pro sports photogs or nature/wildlife photogs. The line that cuts off all other brands, and leaves Canon and Nikon firmly as the only two reasonable or rational choices, is much higher up than some may be led to believe - one can grow to far beyond a beginner, and even become a 'professional photographer', with Olympus, Sony, and Pentax as well, and even do so successfully, happily, and in some respects, even better than they might do with the big two brands...with room to step up bodies or start moving into serious lenses. Only once someone moves to the pro leagues where your living is fully dependent on your photography, where professional support is vital to keeping your job or putting food on the table, or where your photographic needs become so specialized that only one brand even makes the specific lens or camera function that you need, does one need to start crossing other brands off their list, and stick with the big two.
 
Zackie, great breakdown! I agree... UK, gotta disagree, but I understand what you are trying to say. Most users aren't going to buy high end lenses for their vacations and what not. But I see great lenses on my Kx everyday!!! Lol, I have no desire to be professional or selling. I am just overjoyed when I take an in focus photo! I am sure that there are many others out there with great glass on entry level DSLR's, I see them all the time on the other forums.
 
Zackie, great breakdown! I agree... UK, gotta disagree, but I understand what you are trying to say. Most users aren't going to buy high end lenses for their vacations and what not. But I see great lenses on my Kx everyday!!! Lol, I have no desire to be professional or selling. I am just overjoyed when I take an in focus photo! I am sure that there are many others out there with great glass on entry level DSLR's, I see them all the time on the other forums.

Agree on Justin's breakdown. He is a man of words! (and must be a fast typist as well:thumbsup2)

I am mainly talking about nicer lenses on Canon and Nikon bodies. I totally agree that there are going to be people with nice lenses on entry level bodies, but I think it is more in the off brands than C&N. I often try to see what body is attached to a white lens when I am close enough to see. I think I have seen about two Rebels on them, many xxD class, and a good handful of even nicer bodies over about five years of looking (plus a few film bodies!). I do base most of my observations on Disney and school events (including sports), so there are situations I do not observe where there might be more. I feel the demographic I observe is very comparable to the people that frequent this website though. BTW, I also see similar results on Nikon bodies, but the really nice lenses are harder to spot since they are not some different color.
 
Yeah...I'm a fast typist, at least for a guy with no official keyboard training...just 18 years of financial work hovering in front of a keyboard and screen! ;)

I'd tend to say I see the most high-end lenses on advanced-entry or higher bodies - a heavy majority of entry-level cameras I see are kit-lens-only. That is, unless I am at a photographer's location, such as when I go birding - there, the high-end lenses far outnumber the kit lenses, even on entry-level cameras, and mid-level or full frame cameras often outnumber entry level. At places like Disney, most DSLRs I see are entry-level Canon or Nikon with kit lenses.

Beware on the big white lenses...I get regularly asked what Canon body I'm shooting with because I'm seen in the distance approaching with a big white metal lens...pros who know gear very well might recognize the different grip design or focus ring width...but many don't know even up close, and just assume if it's white, metal, and big, it must be a Canon. They end up looking confused when i tell them it's a Sony body - I've actually had a few people follow up by asking if the Sony bodies are all compatible with Canon lenses - and have to further explain to them that Minolta's high-end lenses were also white - in fact, Minolta's AF lenses were white before Canon's were! This is not a once-in-a-blue-moon encounter - I get this 2 or 3 times a week when I'm out shooting in heavily trafficked birding spots.
 
I could be wrong, but I am guessing based on the things I bolded above that this person is not interested in a over $2k lens at this point.

Exactly right, ukcatfan. I am just going to be a beginner in the DSLR market. I don't think I am ready for the $2k category yet, but you guys have given me some really good information to go with.

I am going to a couple of local camera shops tomorrow to try out a few of the cameras suggested here, the Pentax being one of them. Thanks again everyone.
 


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